Horrifying Atrocity by Colombia's FARC

by Yossarian Fri Jul 11, 2003 12:01

Joe, I have to wish to represent the FARC as cuddly freedom loving hippies. They are not, they are armed revolutionaries who are fighting what they see as the injustice of the state and the methods they use are those that are always used by those with the small bombs (ie "terrorists") such as the IRA, ETA, PLO, etc. Some agre with their cause but not their methods, some agree with both but anyone with an inkling of the situation in Colombia would know that the people there have good reason to be extremely pissed off with their government. Obviously, when peaceful protest and union organising results in death, some people say, "well fuck this, I'm not waiting around to be killed!", so they form a guerilla army.

In relation to your copied article above, the only evidence linking the deaths to the FARC is the line:
"Authorities blamed the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia for the murders."
Well, they would, wouldn't they. You should try to back up your allegations with better evidence. In a previous newswire item you tried to slander the author of the piece, avoided answering the allegations (presumably because you know them to be true), then posted something completely unrelated. I would suspect you of being some state sponsored troll except that you're too crap.

by Yossarian Fri Jul 11, 2003 12:04

Sorry, meant to add link to previous newswire item where joe outdoes himself with the level of his arguement.

by someone who doesn't harbour romanticised notions about FARC Fri Jul 11, 2003 12:16

All us indymedia users are well acquainted with your views on FARC. Could I ask what your views are on the AUC, the Colombian military and the Colombian Government. Surely their crimes are just as atrocious as those of FARC?

by zog Fri Jul 11, 2003 12:44

Its hard to decide which side of the resistance to the system are dumber sometimes.the left of the right.

by Yossarian Fri Jul 11, 2003 14:35

So this is how the Colombian/US governments treat their pals in the right wing paramilitary groups (deniable military allies). Hmmmmm, check out the link.

by joe ranii Fri Jul 11, 2003 18:13

Someone asked me how I feel about the AUC, the Colombian Army and the Colombian government. I am surprised that these three are linked in this question, but I will answer in any case:

AUC:--murderers, as bad as the FARC

Colombian Army:--had a patchy human rights record, but has improved considerably in recent years. Most armies abuse human rights, see Brits in Ireland, US in Afghanistan etc. Colombian Army no different. Certainly ignorant and outrageous to equate Col Army with those they fight.

Colombian Government: ELECTED DEMOCTRATICALLY, though unattractive in personnel and policies. Bit like FF-PD Coalition in this regard.

Friend Yossarian still hasn't a clue, since he keeps speculating about links between Col Army and paramilitaries. Impossible to convince him, since he doesn't deal in logic and evidence, but here goes anyway. Read this, Yoss:

July 9, 2003 3:30 AM

Colombia kills 16 militiamen in bombing

BOGOTA, Colombia (Reuters) - Colombia's armed forces have killed 16 outlawed far-right gunmen, bombing their convoy as it travelled across cattle ranching savannah, authorities say.

The joint offensive by the army and the air force took place about 85 miles southeast of the nation's capital in a lawless zone
of Meta province disputed by the far-right paramilitaries and Marxist rebels, an army spokesman said.

by James McKenna Sat Jul 12, 2003 11:39

That's a good word isn't it "Joe"? Maybe it might be better to tell us who "suspects" it was leftists and not one of the many US backed death squads?

I wonder who we can "suspect" of influencing your contributions to Indymedia a "Joe Ranii"?

Do you "suspect" there are any weapons of mass destruction in Colombia?

by hunter Sun Jul 13, 2003 03:21

"Colombian Army:--had a patchy human rights record, but has improved considerably in recent years. Most armies abuse human rights, see Brits in Ireland, US in Afghanistan etc. Colombian Army no different. Certainly ignorant and outrageous to equate Col Army with those they fight."

A) I would seriously question the first line.

B) So the fact that other armies are bastards means that its a-ok for the colombian army to be bastards too?

C) Who gets called in by the bosses every time there is a strike? How may trade unionists are murdered every year in Colombia? How many death threats to trade unionists are sent every year?

D) Democratically elected? Aye, but who the fuck paid for their election campaigns? (Clue, see point C)

As for the Farc, i don't think their tactics will work, and - {{if true}} - i definatley don't agree with their drug racketeering (and by this i mean levying** taxes on drug farmers). But i don't see them as any different from any other army fighting a war of liberation. OK I'd imagine the leadership is corrupt as fuck, but many people join these organisations because they see no alternative. Should we condemn these people for this? No. Who are any of us sitting here in ireland to judge what someone in a rural province 6000 miles away accepts as a means to overthrow the state?

KKKilled for being a trade unionist? Now thats some serious shit. Thats Mafia shit. And who paid for JFKs election...? (Isn't history a wonderful thing?)

** by the way, isnt it strange how everybody forgot about Sandra Levy (murdered intern) in recent times?

by hunter Sun Jul 13, 2003 03:31

should be chandra , not sandra. curse my culchie accent.

also. the basics of this story are that some kids get killed in the jungle. And the govt has convienently blamed it on 'leftist rebels'. Eeeeh, have you ever seen, for example, Deliverance? The world is full of freaks. Now what would the Farc have to gain from butchering some kids? Nothing, unless, of course, they are simply all bloodthirsty depraved lunatics who probably get off on fucking dead boys corpses. (As joe would have us believe).

Joe if you're so committed to 'peace and justice' in Colombia, why don't you post an article every time a trade unionist is killed there?