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a wanna be dictator, a real dictator and the worlds number one terrorist

category international | anti-war / imperialism | opinion/analysis author Friday June 04, 2004 13:39author by finbar Report this post to the editors

Bush starts re-election by coming to Europe to celebrate the destruction of Fascism by .......and wait for it ..............meeting Silvio berlesconi (the man who wants to be a dictator) and a real one in the vatican.

So Bush meet Berlusconi to condemn fascism, this man who was elected in 1994 through an alliance of post-fascists of the National Alliance and the xenophobes of the Northern League. Then he has the audacity to call in on ‘ol J.P. the dictator of a church which didn't apologise for its failure to condemn the Nazi's in th e war years until 1998 or ever address the accussation of involvment in the holocaust.
The same church who avidly supported Franco and Salazar. HMMM Kettles and pots
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/65889.stm)

It is interesting that Berlusconi whipped up violence etc. Could be useful to point this out if we get similar stuff in June
They talk about the evils of Fascism but there jus as bad. the Italian authorities said they “allow" people to protest as if it was like letting a small child into a sweet shop.
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"Authorities HAVE SAID THEY WILL ALLOW peaceful protests, but have deployed some 10,000 police who were out in force around rail and metro stations and in piazzas"

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Thousands of armed police lined the streets of Rome today as anti-war demonstrators gathered to protest against visiting President George W. Bush and the US-led occupation of Iraq.


Mr Bush landed early this morning for a two-day visit to celebrate the defeat of fascism in World War Two, but it is the war in Iraq that has raised passions which the authorities fear could lead to violent protests.

Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, a staunch Bush ally, has warned of violent protests. Fears of a repeat of the mayhem that marred a G8 summit in Genoa in July 2001 have led Italy to massively bolster security until Mr Bush leaves tomorrow.

Masked police snipers manned the roofs surrounding the US ambassador's residence where Mr Bush stayed the night as rainbow-coloured peace flags hung from balconies close-by.

As helicopters flew overhead, riot police with shields formed a human wall outside Rome's Termini station where tourists outnumbered protesters arriving by train.

A group of four protesters dressed in black in their early twenties had come from Milan to join the demonstration. "I think of Bush the same way as I think of Berlusconi," said a woman. "They both should be destroyed."

Authorities have said they will allow peaceful protests, but have deployed some 10,000 police who were out in force around rail and metro stations and in piazzas.

During a three-day trip to Italy and France, Mr Bush will seek international support for his Iraq mission and commemorate the June 1944 liberation of Rome and the D-Day invasion of Normandy.

Mr Bush, a born-again Christian, met Pope John Paul, who threw the weight of the Catholic Church against the Iraq war and spoke out against the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by US soldiers.

A senior administration official said Mr Bush would assure the Pope of his "personal commitment" to ensuring such abuses would not happen again, while reiterating his conviction that war was justified because "there are times when force is necessary".

author by double thinkpublication date Fri Jun 04, 2004 14:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

ok he's a cleric, for that he's terrible, a priest of the church of Rome, a patriarch, but th ereason I've always written "Pope Great man he", is like most in ireland I saw him in 1979 he got over two million to his gigs.
all sorts. My family sat next to the jewish neighbours having a picnic up in the phoenix park. = He draws a crowd.
and I'm aware that millions of other people all over the world have seen him as well.
and he holds his line.

youknow what I mean?

no double think from the pope.
no plus plus good crap from John Paul 2.
you know where you are with the pope.

And, he's obviously really really old, and frail and weak, and sick. And he's still buzzing about (ok it's in luxury) but hey, if I get that old and I'm capable of being airlifted more often than a US president to almost every country in the world, wow.
he's great.
a proper holy go-er.

author by Fergalpublication date Sat Jun 05, 2004 19:23author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Old Carl was forced at the point of an Waffen-SS rifle to break rocks in a quarry.
He stood up to the bastards by surviving.

He stood up the Commie military junta crushing the Polish people.

Yet.....

He INVITED Tariq Aziz for a friendly chat and opposed the removal of Saddam.
Presumably he didn't give a fuck about some poor Iraqi forced to break rocks at the point of a Republican Guard rifle.

None of the Left protested.

Yet they protest NOW when the liberator of Iraq- George W. Bush- meets his Holiness.

His Holiness has the bare faced cheek to lecture Bush on Iraqi freedom!

author by S. Santillopublication date Mon Jun 07, 2004 22:51author address Casa Pula/Casertaauthor phone Report this post to the editors

Please - While some may not like the US position in Iraq, I fail to see how Mr. Bush is a dictator or facisist.

The 1/2 the world calls the man an idiot and hates him, including half the people in his country, yet I see or hear not one word or action by him to supress this critisim.

That is what dictators do!

Also I feel that history will serve him well and his detractors, like many before and during WWII will be proven wrong

author by Marina Cattersonpublication date Thu Jun 10, 2004 15:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I agree that its too simplistic to call Bush a dictator. And to ignore the good that can come from the (unnecessary and cynical) war in Iraq.
Also a pity Bush visited at a time when he could hide behind Liberation ceremonies.

Marina Catterson.

 
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