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Jump To Comment: 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1'no bin tax' said:
"Just been talking to someone from Northern Spain. Says bin tax there is €30 per year"
Any further info on this? Anyone? If we could get accurate information on this we would have a powerful argument to counter the barrage of misinformation we are getting at the moment.
Maybe our man in Barcelona can mount an investigation? Iosaf?
Did a quick bit of research.
Found that as far back as 1994, the EU issued the following Directive on on packaging and packaging waste
31994L0062
European Parliament and Council Directive 94/62/EC of 20 December 1994 on packaging and packaging waste
Article 7 makes interesting reading.
I really have to ask what "measures" have been put in place in Ireland.
Whenever I go back there I don't see any progress.
The complete predominance of one-way packaging is depressing.
Whatever happened to consumer choice .....
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Article 7
Return, collection and recovery systems
1. Member States shall take the necessary measures to ensure that systems are set up to provide for:
(a) the return and/or collection of used packaging and/or packaging waste from the consumer, other final user, or from the waste stream in order to channel it to the most appropriate waste management alternatives;
(b) the reuse or recovery including recycling of the packaging and/or packaging waste collected,
in order to meet the objectives laid down in this Directive.
These systems shall be open to the participation of the economic operators of the sectors concerned and to the participation of the competent public authorities. They shall also apply to imported products under non-discriminatory conditions, including the detailed arrangements and any tariffs imposed for access to the systems, and shall be designed so as to avoid barriers to trade or distortions of competition in conformity with the Treaty.
It would seem that all the people named in the paper are involved in the Finglas Anti-Bin tax campaign and were involved in the blockade on Wednesday.
"Dublin City Council will seek to have 25 anti-waste charge protestors jailed or fined next Wednesday for blocking its bin lorries.
The head of the council's waste management division told the High Court this morning that campaigners had been issuing leaflets saying that the campaign would be escalated in the next few weeks and all bin collections would be halted.
Tom Loftus told the court that the council had continued to experience considerable disturbance and disruption to its waste collection service despite a High Court injunction preventing protesters from interfering with the service.
The President of the High Court, Mr Justice Joseph Finnegan, granted the council leave to serve attachment and committal orders on 25 protesters: the case will be heard next Wednesday."
It appears to me that Irish companys have wiggled out of EU packaging regulations by paying a standard amount to REPAK instead of meeting their EU obligations to actually take back the packaging. i'm not 100% on this and how it works and would be interested in more info
I do know that there's a further EU directive going into law that they are HOPPING MAD about. This is that with electrical and other goods that when they wear out they will have to take the actual good back eg old computers etc. Computers - of course - being one of the most polluting items to manufacture
any way lets hope the "bussiness community" aren't allowed to "lobby" their way out of this one - pollutor pays is right !
Conor
P1 wrote above:
"For example excessive packaging cannot be left behind at point of purchase - I've tried this in supermarkets and I have been told that I would be banned if I didn't stop."
Very interesting this. In Germany from where I'm writing retailers like supermarkets are legally obliged to provide bins for customers to dump excess packaging at the point of purchase.
Would be interesting to see if this is purely domestic legislation or whether it results from an EU directive - which should have legal force in Ireland too.
Would be just like the Paddy-Gombeen-Politicos (FF, PD & Co.) to have signed up to something like that and then ignored its implementation because it would cost their business friends too much.
Might be worth investigating to see what the legal position is regarding return of packaging at the point of purchase - of course the f**kers don't want you to do it but it may be that EU regulations actually oblige them to do so ...
anyone know what the position is ?
While I'm on a roll, let me say that I am constantly appalled by the amount of one-way packaging forced on the consumer in Ireland - not just the problem referred to by P1 - especially in regard to drinks.
In Germany for example (probably other EU countries as well) you have a real choice as to whether you purchase in plastic or in glass bottles. The glass bottles have a deposit and can be returned. So for example at a typical retail outlet you can buy a returnable crate of glass bottles with water, juice or beer etc.
Result ===> zero household waste on such purchases.
In ireland it's all plastic bottles and cans, absolutely no investment in any more sustainable infrastructure.
And not likely to be given the fate of the Ringsend bottling plant.
God be with the days when the pint of milk was delivered in glass bottles .... but of course that wasn't "profitable" enough ..........
Not surprising that the (urban) peasants are revolting .....
Last night was a great victory, we stuffed the City Council. Its a pity about the scabs in IMPACT. But even more disturbing was the abscence of SWP members on last nights blockade.
Brid Smith is supposed to be the City Campaign PRO. What is she doing? What did she do to publicise last nights action and why didnt she even get the SWP to turn out?
Just been talking to someone from Northern Spain. Says bin tax there is €30 per year. Last year they tried to increase it to €45 per year and it was met with massive public opposition. The increase was scrapped. He was astonished with the level of the bin tax in Ireland.
just a message of fraternal greetings from a socialist party member in belfast. i was on the protest march to the mountjoy last monday and it was a terrific demonstration. im just glad we live in such a free and democratic society both north and south that means ordinairy people go to jail for opposing crap policies!!!
all power to workers, students and ordinairy people of dublin. hope to be able to come down and help some time soon. your struggle is inspiring.
DId any trucks get out
by blocker Friday, Oct 3 2003, 10:40am
Did any trucks get out and collect rubbish? The council are saying that they knew of the blockade in advance and made other arrangments and only one truck was held up, is this true? IS there uncollected waste on the streets or not?
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One of protestors was heading home about 7.30 and rang me to tell me that town was still full of uncollected rubbish. One truck was blocked in the depot with 2 others behind - only one was attempting to get out
- about 8 pm another one came back in so they might well have sent one out earlier - but they had a full crew and a van and a truck waiting to leave for 3 hours i don't think they would have had lads there being paid to stand around if they already had arrangments in place.
My best guess is we caught them ! But its possible be thay sent a truck out earlier.......
Conor
Grange Gorman blockade successful
Last nights blockade of the Grange Gorman bin truck depot was a success with no truck managing to leave during the three-hour blockade. These were the trucks that were to do the rubbish pick-up in the shopping areas of the city centre. Read on at http://struggle.ws/wsm/news/2003/grangegormanOCT2.html
Sell out by the looks of it.
(Are Impact members doing anything on the ground and harassing their head office, it seems to have had an effect on SIPTU.)
Fingal Manager welcomes union statement
Earlier, Fingal County Manager Willie Soffe welcomed a recent statement made by IMPACT trade union and in particular, their recognition that jobs and services are 'effectively dependent on the domestic charges regime'.
The local branch of IMPACT also condemned the actions of individuals, including elected representatives. The branch has called for an apology for remarks made about Council staff by one of the leaders of the Anti-Bin Tax Campaign.
According to Mr Soffe, the support of the union has been crucial in implementing the waste charges, which are a requirement of EU and Irish law.
As for the council claims 'well they would say that wouldn't they'. Its very important for the council that they make all our actions seem impotent.
As to the facts they did try and get a truck out and the crew of the truck were standing around while the protest was in progress. Presuming they intended to do more then go for a joy ride then yes losing a truck must had had some impact on the collection.
Of course its obvious that as this was an isolated action at one of the three depots that they could have got a truck out from another depot to do the run. If not they can put a truck on an extra run today. No one is pretending that this single action could bring collection in the commercial areas to a halt, rather it shows what is possible with city wide co-ordination and blockades on all depots.
A "Jaysus Tax"? Do atheists and agnostics have to pay that? What denomination benefits?
Seriously though, the real waster here is Tony. Pity he could not put forward a coherent argument.
Exactly P1
Audit Scotland, which conducted a study for the Accounts Commission - the latest in a series comparing the performance of councils in delivering a range of services - also found that the average cost of rubbish collection in Scotland was just under £1 per address per week.
That is £1 sterling per week x 52 = £52 per year => €72 euro per year
A hell of a lot less than the figures being bandied about at present
Why should householders subsidise Business ?
The polluter in this country is agriculture and industry. Household waste is a small portion of the total waste/pollution produced in Ireland. We are not allowed to have any control over the waste that we bring into our homes; if we did then the only waste in our house would be leftover food. For example excessive packaging cannot be left behind at point of purchase - I've tried this in supermarkets and I have been told that I would be banned if I didn't stop.
Furthermore the reason the bins haven't been collected is that the councils don't want to empty ALL bins.
In any case this protest movement is not about waste it is about TAX!! It is a protest against an attempt by the ruling class in this country to shift the weight of taxation more heavily onto workers. If you are interested in the details go to www.stopthebintax.com before you start whinging.
Pay the Jaysus tax, will ye?
Ever heard of Polluter Pays?
Did any trucks get out and collect rubbish? The council are saying that they knew of the blockade in advance and made other arrangments and only one truck was held up, is this true? IS there uncollected waste on the streets or not?