ETA breaks its 2004 Catalan territories ceasefire with 3 bombs aimed at civilians

by Basque - personal capacity Fri Aug 14, 2009 22:29

DIBSC´s spokesman, or any other pro-independence activist.

Please, if you give a rough estimation on:
- proportion of Basque people for self-determination: I include myself.
- proportion of Basque people for the termination of ETA: I include myself.
- proportion of Basque citizens sharing your views... i.e. MNLV, our contry imposed by Spain/France, Basque resistance, people persecuted for ideals...

Why you´re refused use of alternative space or why can´t the Left see the Basques or why can´t the Basques support the Basques...
Answer this: what is your formal position on "armed struggle" being part of your movement.
Now you may have got answers to all questions.

This denial and repression could not exist now were it not for ETA.

by Diarmuid - Personal capacity Fri Aug 14, 2009 14:47

Whatever ETA does it is not the main problem. The main problem is that the French and Spanish states are refusing to accede to the demands of the Basques for self-determination. ETA would not exist were it not for that denial and the repression that those states are visiting upon Basques using peaceful methods of struggle or at worst damaging property.

Since before ETA came into existence and every year since, the Guardia Civil and the Policia Nacional have been harassing and torturing Basque political activists, as documented by committees of the EU, the UN and by Amnesty International. Recently the so-called Basque Police, the Ertzaintza, have been doing that too. People who have been tortured or who have friends or relatives who have suffered tortured may well wish to see the torturers dead and the recent victims have been the head on the "anti-terror" unit and two Guardia Civil. In the past there have been civilians accidentally killed and also people targeted which the organisation accused of collaborating with Spanish repression but which other supporters of Basque self-determination felt should not have been killed. People had similar views about the IRA during all its campaigns, including the War of Indepdence (and before them, about the Fenians).

Whatever people think of ETA, it is a symptom, not the problem and will probably continue to exist as long as the repression of those states continues. People who concentrate on attacking ETA do nothing to resolve the issues and instead help to prolong the struggle.

by Umberto Eco - The state has no heart Wed Aug 12, 2009 17:53

"when will ETA go away?"

when the state goes away

"when will the crypto-fascist spanish state go away?"

when ETA goes away

The Spanish State's "Secureaucrats" rub their hands with glee every time ETA commits an atrocity. It hands them more moral authority among the civilian population for introducing repressive measures which are then implemented indiscriminately among all opposition groups. ETA feeds the Spanish State in the same way that Al Qaida feeds the US state, the Baader Meinhof gang fed the German state etc. etc.

Catalan, Basque, Aragonese, Andaluz, Valenciano, Manchego, Asturian, Galician, French and European civil society, opposition groups, grassroots movements and nonviolent activists and initiatives are going to pay the price for these jumped-up uber-militant pseudo-revolutionaries' arrogance.

In all of these places there are movements who share Basque nationalists' critique of the Spanish state and who are willing to make solidarity links with non-violent initiatives towards a common goal of dismantling central power.

"You cannot strike at the heart of the State, because the State has no heart" Umberto Eco

Enough Stupidity!

PROU!

by brutal cynical nationalist splitting hair type Tue Aug 11, 2009 20:44

The last time ETA attacked civilian targets in the Catalan territories, it was of course the "Hipercor" supermarket bombing of June 19th 1987 in Barcelona. A bombing which killed 21 civilians outright in a working class area of the city and resulted in 45 wounded. In the immediate aftermath the revulsion felt at the senseless carnage of the terrorists meant a large scale walk out of solidarity groups in Catalonia and the Catalan lands of what then still seemed to be sincerely termed as "solidarity groups".

Anyone who wants to read the garbage from ETA can of course follow the links in the article and the comment. Only the most bigotted would do so without taking on board the revulsion of indymedia communities in both the Catalan lands and the Basque at the utter pointlessness of the continuation of what is pretensiously termed armed struggle.

The last months have seen a prominent member of ETA write an open letter asking has the time not come to bajar la persiana (= "shut up shop") especially considering the lack of popular support in the Basque regions, the lack of sympathy from supposedly "kindred nationalist struggles" and the indiscutible destination of all the latest generations of 20 something year olds who either as volunteers or recruits play the criminal extortionist game of the 50 year old ETA - prison.


Prison is where they are going. When the EU itself, upheld the banning of the front organisations for a criminal band which has advanced not one page the cause of Basque self-determination we are left with only one term to describe a group which survives on extorsion and intimidation. Amongst which organisations are included one championed by the local Irish DIBSC?
ETA is a criminal organisation which operates under many names and which breaks every one of its ceasefire declarations, which puts 9mm bullets in the back of 72 year old heads simply because they owned a construction company building a high speed train line.

ETA has so little in common with the IRA and so much more in common with the Gomora that the fact cries out for recognition.

but don't take an IMC commentator's word for it.

read the revulsion on Indymedia Barcelona (for the Catalan lands) and IMC Euskal Herria for the supposed grass roots of Basques who support this crap.

http://barcelona.indymedia.org/newswire/display/377966/...x.php
http://euskalherria.indymedia.org/eu/2009/08/62274.shtml

Is it not strange how the only segments of Basque self-determination that have increased their vote share and grass roots support are those who condemned the armed struggle?

Is it not galling that the voices of EA, Aralar who want independence as well as others are never ever heard or reflected in supposed Irish "solidarity" with the Basque people in their struggle?


when will the ETA apologists go away?

by Gora ETA Mon Aug 10, 2009 23:05

I seen the links for sure and read them unlike yourself not that it would really matter as you already have a warped view on the spanish catalan basque conflicts given you have spoken against the eta report's. You made no mention of the criminal terrorism that hold's hundreds of young men and women in pow camps across facist 'spain' the recent dissapearing and killing of basque prisoner's, the banning of basque political parties, closing down of media outlets all very similar to franco's methods, Will the spanish government be calling on germany again to drop bombs against the basque's id say you would not have a problem though to save face the second time you will most likely support more repression and given your silence on the thousnd's of terrorist acts you fail to report coming from the guardia seville and other franco disciples id say you have been involed in such crimes already.

by brutal cynical nationalist splitting hair type Mon Aug 10, 2009 22:18

If Sinead had read the article she would have been able to follow the links to the pathetic cynical and warped logic of ETA in its statements seeking dialogue and a space in normal political life.

If you want them set out for you again, here they are again :-

in Spanish from the ETA newspaper
http://www.gara.net/paperezkoa/20090809/151093/es/ETA-a...esion

in Basque from the Berria website
http://paperekoa.berria.info/harian/2009-08-09/006/006/...k.htm

& if you're so au fait with fascist murdering criminal gangs targetting a working class beach which is used by Palma residents who do not drive up the coast and is not used by either the Spanish royal family or the predominantly German tourists, then maybe you Sinead and anyone else might like to read the local Catalan IMC reaction to the ETA statement here :-
http://barcelona.indymedia.org/newswire/display/377966/...x.php

If you can't read Spanish, Catalan or Basque of course you'll have just take my word for it or put it through a Google translator page. But there is utter revulsion amongst progressives and anarchists in the Catalan lands at the anachronistic campaign and apologism of the criminal gang ETA and its proxies.

ETA apologism is pathetic and in Ireland almost always out of touch with the realities of Basque self-determination.

¿is it not true that the remains of Batasuna following on from the II experiment in the EU elections are debating the creation of a political party which rejects armed struggle?

How anyone would want to offer these people who champion the cause of ETA in Ireland as much as a quick go on a greasy toasted-sandwich maker I've no idea.


They're not fun.
They don't deserve space.

PROU = BASTA

by - Mon Aug 10, 2009 17:12

What had originally been thought to have been an explosion caused by a gas leak at the bar Nico on the l'avinguda Compte de Sallent Palma in the tourist heart of the Mallorcan city is now known to have been caused by a bomb.

For its part the progressive, centrist, nationalist party of Mallorca which includes republican and independence sectors in its ranks has condemned the cowardly act and noted the cynicism of ETA and the pro-ETA apologists who have taken to their media and blogs to decry oppression, repression and ask for dialogue and a public space yet again.

http://www.unio-mallorquina.com/?id_section=162&id_arti...=1495