Anarchist Vote NO Campaign Underway

by HB Mon May 26, 2008 12:21

Keep up the good work! Glad to see it.

by moaner Mon May 26, 2008 12:31

good to see these, though they seem mostly big marketing adverts for anarchism what with the big circled A an' all (which most people, btw, will be totally clueless about re its meaning).

You also need to put a space between 'no' and 'lisbon'. And, incidentally, there's actually nothing wrong with Lisbon itself. It's a great city with wonderful weather! You might have added the word 'treaty'.

Anyway, them caveats aside, well done!

by moaner Mon May 26, 2008 12:34

And pace your report, IBEC is the BIG business organisation not the one for the smaller businesses which is ISME

by fair play Mon May 26, 2008 19:16

Fair play to them comin out with them posters and urgin people to vote no. Thats actually a big thing for anarchists who are usually , rightfully so, critical of any elections.

by Joe King Mon May 26, 2008 21:12

Well, it's no surprise. Anarchists have no problem with voting. It the way you measure how many are in favour of something and how many are against. We vote in our anarchist organisations, trade unions, community groups; and in referenda.

What we don't do is choose between rulers (e.g. Dail elections), Afterall, anarchists want a society where the division of people into bosses and workers, rulers and ruled, is ended. So, our abstention is pretty ABC, you might as well ask a teetotaller if she wants a pint of Guinness or one of Beamish. There is an interview with the WSM about how they see it at www.wsm.ie/story/1772

by Cael - Sinn Fein Poblachtach Mon May 26, 2008 23:11

Keep up the good work. Great to see the truth being told.

by kd Mon May 26, 2008 23:14

Moaner... You might be a moaner but you're a fair man or woman to spot an error. Sorry about that IBEC/ISME stuff. I'm afraid I had a run in with one of the latter - a small business I mean - a short while before I put up the report and it con-fuddled my mind. The other matter you were moaning about .... well we are blaming the printer for that. And I've forgotton the other thing you were moaning about ...

by Johnjoe Tue May 27, 2008 11:52

This you see this on You Tube..

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=mgRLs4_1KI0

by Seamus Wed May 28, 2008 22:05

Interesting to see Youth Defence/Mother & Child Campaign/Justin Barrett & Co. have come up with a new name to work under, Coír, the organisation that produced that You Tube video linked to above. More here: http://www.lisbonvote.com/

by Redneck Thu May 29, 2008 14:02

To really help the NO Vote ,the anarchists would do better to put up VOTE YES posters over their name.

by Pierre Fairview Thu May 29, 2008 15:59

Etienne Chouard, a nonparty blogger and anti-EU constitution activist who teaches at a lycee in Marseille, is interviewed by the left-leaning magazine Marianne. About the Lisbon treaty debate in Ireland he says:-

"Le 12 juin prochain, les Irlandais auront, eux, à se prononcer par référendum sur le nouveau Traité européen. Pensez-vous qu'ils pourraient voter non et ainsi remettre en cause ce Traité ?
EC : Je ne crois pas. Il n'y a quasiment pas de débat en Irlande, et quand il y en a un, il est calamiteux. Leurs médias matraquent les arguments des partisans du « oui » exactement comme cela a pu être le cas en France. On glorifie le « oui » et on culpabilise le « non », systématiquement, en le stigmatisant comme l'apanage de l'extrême droite. De plus, Valéry Giscard d'Estaing l'a bien fait comprendre : si les Irlandais votaient « non » malgré tout, on trouverait un moyen de faire passer ce Traité d'une façon ou d'une autre. "

[He doesn't think the Irish will vote No because they've been browbeaten by the Yes-supporting media, which have stigmatised the No campaigners as appendages of the extreme right.]

Link to the full interview here: http://www.marianne2.fr/Etienne-Chouard-si-l-Irlande-vo...5463&

In case you don't read French here's something about him in English:

http://erc2.org/109.0.html

by Redneck Fri May 30, 2008 13:55

Etienne Chouard is not an expert,
He does not seem to have any qualifications in this field -
There is a plethora of such people, mostly based in Brussels and Paris,
ready to comment at the drop of a hat to the nearest TV camera,
We had a few of them on RTE TV the other night who gave their verdict that Ireland will be thrown out of the EU if we vote no.
Who were they - three nonentities building themselves up for consideration as lobbyists by the Brussels/Paris/Strasbourg axis, that's who,
Saying all the things that Brussels bureaucrats want them to say.

An unqualified expert is a dangerous person,
This is why judges here disallow them to testify as "expert witnesses" in court.

"All the Lovely People where do they all come from ? "

by redneck Fri May 30, 2008 14:12

The website you quote does, however, appear to be expert, in fact it should be publicised more to the Irish Voter.

I merely seek to point out that the worst person one can listen to is a self-appointed expert. To my mind a person is expert in a field when everybody says he/she is expert and he/she never claims to be.

Also, a professorial level is required.

Primary school teachers in France and elsewhere in Europe are referred to a Professors !!!

I have a friend, Professor Michel Raoult, in Brittany. He is a Professor because he was a Primary School teacher in his time.

And we all know from watching the proceedings of the Dail and Seanad how utterly stupid Primary School teachers can be.

by Pierre Fairview Fri May 30, 2008 14:55

Chouard is also described as a 'philosophe' i.e. he has studied for a philosophy degree in France. Such people are accorded an intellectual status in french culture, possibly too much in some cases as some philosophers wouldn't know how to boil an egg for three minutes so it doesn't taste overboiled. Chouard however has studied the Lisbon documents carefully, which can't be said for 99.99 per cent of us, including Biffo Cowen. So Chouard has acquired expertese in the details of these documents and can comment with familiarity on their effects on laws and things. You acquire expertese in a topic by sweating over it.

About the term 'professeur' as used in France, redneck. This is a general word for schoolteachers and doesn't mean they are brain surgeons or wouldbe Einsteins.
In my own case I'm a teacher and did French as a school subject like thousands of other Irish students. I know just enough of the lingo to know that Chouard is on the No side and we should welcome his sentiments. I like Europe but not the EU, a largely unaccountable entity. Vive Chouard et vive la France. Votez Non!

by Peter Clondalkin Sun Jun 01, 2008 01:26

Hey Pierre, you might like to know that in good ole Espana they're showing support for a No vote. Here's a British MEP who noticed a silent vigil outside the Irish embassy in Madrid:

" Passing the Irish embassy last night, I happened across a group of young Spaniards holding a decorous and polite vigil in support of a “No” vote in the coming referendum. “On 12 June, we are all Irish,” read their banners. “Vote for the peoples of Europe, not the elites”. Apparently, this is happening all over the Continent, although the phenomenon is almost wholly unreported. Groups of ordinary citizens are picketing their local Irish legations to say, in effect: “We are not being allowed a vote. Please vote ‘No’ on our behalf”."

Try this link - http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/politics/danielhannan/may0...d.htm

Ole ole ole for the Spaniards I say. The Spanish for No is No, isn't it? Viva Espana!