State tries to muzzle debate

by jamie - sligo Fri Oct 12, 2007 09:21

while i would expect this kind of behaviour from parties like fianna fail and fine gael the silence from the greens on this issue is an absolute disgrace, i hope their representatives get a hard time at the conference, to be honest its a bit of a sham that they are given a place on the platform of an anti-war event to begin with

by Anti-war Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:14

Maybe if the SWP hadnt been so goddam monoploisitc ove rhte anti-war movemnet there'd be 1000 people outside there instead of 15.
No More equoting of Feb 2003 please thats when it all went wrong.
Sigh.

by Vincent Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:31

The greens are a disgrace. As someone else has already pointed out they should be heckled through their speechs at this conference.

Personally I am extremely disappointed with Patricia McKenna. I thought she was a politician with a difference. One of principle. Unfortunately I was wrong.

Shes no better than the rest. Power before principle

by Caldwell Fri Oct 12, 2007 14:01

I suppose then that (in the interests of free-speech) next time historian David Irving or like-minded people come to Dublin, Cork to speak that the IAWM will desist from preventing them speak...?

by Noel Fri Oct 12, 2007 16:38

"instructed by his non-Irish masters to do so"
"I'm sure Mr. Shatter and his 'friends' will be very happy at this development"

They killed Jesus too I'm told.

by Seán Ryan Sat Oct 13, 2007 03:19

Dickhead...

by pat c Sat Oct 13, 2007 16:30

Noel adopts the typical Ultra-Zionist tactic of smearing snyone who stands up against Israeli State Terrorism. It should be obvious to any honest rational person that Sean Ryan was referring to US/Israeli Imperialism and not to Jews. His article was a political one not a relious report. Taken in its context no fair commentator would assume that Sean was being anti Jewish.

I would accuse Noel of intellectual dishonesty but I don't reckon hes not exactly Mensa material.

by PaddyK Sat Oct 13, 2007 16:45

Hey Patc,

Your double-negative is in a dangerous spot. The poor guy might get excited abut his IQ.

by Mark P Sun Oct 14, 2007 18:05

If the phrase "instructed by his non-Irish masters" wasn't intended as anti-semitic innuendo it was, at the very least, a bad use of language. I don't think you'd have to be a right wing supporter of the policies of the Israeli state to take it as an anti-semitic slur - it looked like one to me. If it wasn't intended as such, perhaps Sean could ask for the section to be altered on the editorial list to remove any ambiguity.

by Seán Ryan Sun Oct 14, 2007 18:50

If one were to read the sentence above the 'offending sentence,' one would see that I identified who the 'non-Irish masters were.'

If one wishes to use ambiguity to speculate as to who the 'non-Irish masters are' and ignore both the context and the definition I'd just given, then that's fine with me and says more about the speculator than it does about me.

I've no desire to have what I've written changed. If idle speculation is to be the order of the day, maybe 'non-Irish masters' refers to UFOs. If anyone wishes to paint me into some wild and speculative conspiracy theory, that's ok too. The trick mind you would be to keep such shite very very speculative. Mr. Shatter will not stand for defamation and neither will I.

by pat c Sun Oct 14, 2007 19:17

This is getting truly bizarre. Sean & I sometimes disagree about things but I am certain that he is not anti-semitic nor do I believe that the article above is in any manner anti-semitic.

If the sentence mentioned was just on its own then one might have suspicions but in the context of the article it should be quite obvious that Sean is writing about Shatters Imperialist political masters.

Or he might mean the Hidden Masters in their Fortresses in the Himalayas.