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category national | crime and justice | opinion/analysis author Saturday July 28, 2007 11:05author by Caller Report this post to the editors

Assault and Brutalisation

The images of the assault of a young woman campaigner at one of the 38
archaelogical sites on the route of the Proposed M3 by members of a private company;
and the criminalisation of those campaigners who have given time and energy
to forwarding awareness of the ecological and heritage implications of the
bi-section of the Gabhra Valley necessitates inquiry.

John Gormley has stated that his hands are tied and he can do nothing 'unless
something new comes up'. Well ,his hands may be tied but they have not been
placed in handcuffs for asserting the individuals right to protest. He has not been
jailed for conscientous objection.

I am calling on John Gormley to meet with the eight people who have been criminalised
and to speak to them about the brutal attacks that we have witnessed on this newswire.
The concerns of the campaigns regarding the liscensing of the 38 sites, the abuse of
mandate by Minister Roche and the failure of his Dept to engage with the issue.

Disney land
Disney land

Something new has come up. The contractors for the sites have physically assaulted campaigners
and the EU petitions Committee have queried the lack of protections of the sites. It is not
enough to say that a new archaeological discovery will halt the works , but that the people who
have consistently highlighted the criminality of the M3 decision have for their trouble been
injured- the Minister for the Environment has sat by and regarded the issue without lifting a
finger- is it acceptable to the Minister that those people who are working to raise awareness
of the issues are brutalised? Does he put the discovery of a new site before the health and
safety of a citizen of this country? Is he aware of the physical danger that the people have endured?

The works must halt and the Minister must speak with the campaigners.

Minister Gormley, will you await the serious injury or death of a conscientous objector before
calling a halt to these works?

The Irish times News Review has a three person interview on the M3 issue today.
A commissoner of peace and designated prison visiting committee inspector has
visited with the eight arrested campaigner, I suggest Minister Gormley contact him.
There have been no moves by the Dept to reverse the abolition of Duchas and
whilst Minister Gormley has met with EU reps he has not met with the people on the

It is beholden upon the Minister for the Environment to meet with and respect the
people who have suffered so much to highlight the issue of heritage destruction
in this State. He may give ear to their concerns and look at the evidence of
brutality that has been excerised on them by a group of contractors working for
a private construction company.

Call an inquiry into the treatment of Irish people by a private firm or the victims of
the brutality may have to initiate it themselves through the Irish courts- afterall the
victims right to redress is guaranteed.

Related Link: http://www.environ.ie
author by Ronocpublication date Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I wonder about the Irish government quite alot. Now it seems they dont care about Irish heritage. They dont seem to care about the people either, all you have to do is look at the folk down in Bellanaboy and the protesters at Tara. Foreign interests seem more important. Oh yeah Shannon too. Who are the people that have power? Where are their roots?? I wonder quite alot. I came across this fella Mick Tsarion, he seems a bit crazy and has some whacky ideas but hes definitly worth a listen.

Here ones of his conferences. Its a bit long. But have a watch its worth it. He goes alot into physcology and also how governments use it. Check it out...

Related Link: http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/9/5823
author by An aged Observerpublication date Sat Jul 28, 2007 13:37author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I too wonder at the behaviour of the Irish Government with it's control over the National Press and Broadcasting TV & Radio for it would seem that we have entered the age of Big Brother and that there is no longer a Free Press in this State.

There is an obvious blackout on the News front regarding Tara, which seems to me that the Government must feel mightily threatened to take such action.

What we are witnessing is the sort of behaviour expected from dictators and their ilk.

Not from countries that have pride in themselves by having a working democrasy, with journalists having the freedom to publish criticism as well as praise.

So my question is: Are we seeing the freedom that the Irish people fought for so hard for over the centuries, now being subjugated by the grandsons of the 1916 Freedom Fighters?

author by Fred Johnstonpublication date Sat Jul 28, 2007 13:40author email sylfredcar at iolfree dot ieauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

I am still amazed - forgive me - at the number of people who still persist in believing we live in a democracy, where political decisions can be influenced by ordinary people, i.e., voters. We have suffered through an election which has shown us, if ever we needed showing, that in Ireland we are quite paralysed when it comes to voting; we vote as if we were stunned. Fianna Fáil do not now and never have cared about heritage or history (save when it suited them to rally the 'faithful', or at election time.) Thoor Ballylee is still a gift-shop, and I say this with the greatest respect to the dedicated staff there: but it should be a living, worked-in, writers' space in memory of Yeats. Ireland West Tourism refuse to make it so. Fianna Fáil couldn't, as a body, find it on a map. Yet we expect that important finds at Tara will be saved? Children, you must be, surely, who do not remember what happened to whole tracts of Georgian Dublin years ago, and the planning blasphemy committed at Dublin's Wood Quay; we marched then, too. There is no Left in Ireland - it has become a one-party State and no one seems to have noticed. From a political party and a political mentality dedicated virtually from its founding to the interests of the moneyed and middle-class, you expect concern for heritage?

author by Major Tom Tara supporter - nonepublication date Sat Jul 28, 2007 16:30author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Check out the Save Tara site -

Look at the letters

Hardly a news blackout - maybe not as extensive as might be hoped for but hardly a blackout.

What is more extraordinary is the reluctance of the whole artistic community to get involved, where are the musicians - until recently?
They have signed petitions but that is all.
Where are the actors? The names that stood up for issues like divorce, Mick Lally for example?
Where is Christy Moore, Mary Black or anyone like that.
Where are the rest of the writers, poets etc.
That is what is quite mind blowing. Are they afraid that their funding/ grants etc. will suffer?
Where is the Aos Dána?

Related Link: http://www.savetara.com
author by Callerpublication date Sat Jul 28, 2007 17:57author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The Minister awaits 'something new' before he can act on Tara, yet there have been multiple
complaints of contractor brutality against protestors. There is a vast store of recorded
evidence of that brutality, including on this newswire. People who have worked for years highlighting
the lack of statutory agency to implement the NMA have been beaten up and assaulted.
There should be an inquiry because those people are the ones facing charges and not
the perpetrators of the crimes and not the state .Minister Roche quite clearly abused
mandate by forcing ahead with plans that are simply inept and profit based without the
permissions of the electorate who have overwhelming voiced their desire for the
route change. The minister for the environment has sat through this display of disregard for
both the safety of the campaigners and the law of the land and stated on numerous occassions
that 'his hands are tied'. Does he put the discovery of another site above the health and safety
of the individual? Enough evidence is about for the protestors to inititate proceedings
against the State and the contractors for abuse. There should be an inquiry into the
events of the 18/07/07.

Related Link: http://www.environ.ie
author by W. Finnerty.publication date Sun Jul 29, 2007 08:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I believe there should be an enquiry into corruption in the legal profession: first and foremost.

Related Link: http://www.europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.com/ChiefJusticeMurray/26July2007/Email.htm
author by JWpublication date Sun Jul 29, 2007 09:17author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The banks have corrupted parliaments and courts in order to achieve their seemingly invincible position. Through the parliaments, banks have set in place legislation which form the blue print and provide the means to realize their goal.

However, such legislation can only be enforced through the courts where, if justice were to prevail, bad laws would be vetoed and rejected in fair trials or tribunals. That is why the banks have to have dominance over the courts. They do this by firstly controlling the judges and secondly eliminating juries - thereby removing any possibility that the judges may "do right" or that the people may exercise their will.

Related Link: http://www.rightsandwrong.com.au/
author by Callerpublication date Sun Jul 29, 2007 16:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Mr Finnerty we know by now about the issues with corrupt law practice, this thread is attempting
to focus quite specifically on the assault of protestors by the contracted firm of SIAC/Ferrovival
and not on your case. We are aware that corrupt law practice dominates a lot of the courts too.
However the specifics are this. The video-docu journalist, three CST members, two vigil
keepers and a non-violent direct activist (all engaged in peaceful protest) were bodily
assaulted on the day of the 18th of July 2007. the pictures are on the newswire.

The Gardai and the State have a duty of care to the citizen and to their right of protest
and whilst some may eschew that right to care they still have the right to expect that
they will not come to bodily harm in the course of an ongoing dispute over environment
and heritage. They are within their rights to make a case for assault against the
contractors and to question the legitmacy of their arrests on that specific day-and they

The catalogue of corruption initiated by Martin Cullen TD and continued by Dick Roche
TD , including the aboiliton of Duchas, the transfer of lands, the CPO's and the
usage of the mandate council to forward the aims of the corrupt lobby is beside the point
of the intimidation, sexual assault and physical assaults on these people by
a private firm which is working, it seems in co-operation with the vested interests both
of members of Meath County Council and of the Offices of the State.

author by W. Finnerty.publication date Sun Jul 29, 2007 23:20author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Caller (Sun Jul 29, 2007 16:28 above),

You, and many others perhaps, may know "about the issues with corrupt law practice", but what (if anything) is anybody doing about them?

Please note that I have no wish to distract from the efforts being made to get justice for those who have been assaulted or otherwise abused in the Hill of Tara area.

Quite the opposite. If, as I strongly suspect to be the case, heritage sites are being destroyed with the use of illegal law that is the product of outrageous and wilful corruption in the legal profession, which, for example, appears to have been very deliberately sustained by Mr Justice Thomas Smythe - who presided over the 600,000 Euros Vincent Salafia/Gerard Hogan (Senior Council) High Court case in January 2006 - then it appears to me that those arrested recently at Tara would have a case for wrongful arrest, and those imprisoned would have a case for wrongful imprisonment.

"Gerry Hogan, senior counsel for Mr Salafia, claimed the legislation used to push through the project was unconstitutional. He said the National Monuments (Amendment) Act 2004 weakened the role of the Oireachtas (Ireland's national parliament) by giving the minister discretionary powers to determine the fate of the country's heritage. Mr Hogan claimed the state's duty to protect monuments had been 'seriously compromised'.

The above quote, dated January 14th 2006 please note, has been taken from the Daily Telegraph web site page http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/20....html .

This takes me back to my original point: what, if ANYTHING, is being done about the rampant corruption in our legal profession?

If something of significance had been done about the rampant corruption in our legal profession in January 2006, would ANY of the several different problems of recent months, occurring in and around the Hill of Tara area, have ever arisen?

Finally, I would argue that the matter of unconstitutional legislation, particularly that which is contrived and deliberately sustained for long periods of time by very senior lawyers, is something that is everybody's legal "case" really (in my view): and not just mine.

Related Link: http://www.constitutionofireland.com
author by apologypublication date Mon Jul 30, 2007 08:46author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Sorry William, its a nightmare over here with protestors criminalised and criminal
legislating, on top of that the newly appointed environment minister (who makes
women leaders in the green party cry in despair at his shite policy) has gone on

Eight people brutalised. Illegal land transfer. The use of the offices of State for
corrupt practice.


[but we all know this it happened before in Rossport, someone really needs to examine
the mandate of the councillors and who they are talking to because it is the council
who sign the injunctions and enforce the planning]

author by W. Finnerty.publication date Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

To: "apology" (Mon Jul 30, 2007 08:46 above),

Please don't concern yourself regarding any misunderstanding which may have arisen.

I know from my own direct experience how extremely difficult it can be to tell the difference (from a distance and in the heat of battle) of who is trying to behave reasonably and with good intent, and who is behaving corruptly and with malice, greed, "begrudgery", treachery, and so on, in mind.

Please be assured that I have huge respect, and huge feelings of gratitude for all those protesters at the "coal face" who have tried their best to protect the very important ancient heritage monuments near the Hill of Tara - by PEACEFUL means - and that nothing I can think of is ever likely to change that for me.

This might be a good time for the 8 people you refer to, and indeed all peaceful protesters who have been abused during recent years by "public servants" (so called) in the Republic of Ireland - including those at Rossport for example - to keep in mind the EXTREMELY important legal principle referred to at the end of the following paragraph of a letter sent to barrister John Glynn, of law-firm Hogan & Co, Ballinasloe, County Galway - which was sent on April 3rd 2007, and which he has not so far replied to:

"If for any reason Commissioner Conroy fails to implement the law relating to 'perverting the course of justice', regarding the manner in which Minister for Justice McDowell is blocking an 'effective remedy' through which I can receive justice, I would then like your advice on another possible solution to my legal difficulties, which I have found in a book titled 'Principles of Irish Law' (by Dublin-based barrister and law-lecturer Brian Doolan). This relates to the following statement from his book (on page 9 the Fifth Edition): 'The Supreme Court decided, in Byrne v Ireland (1972), that the State is a juristic person which can be sued for the wrongful acts of its public servants'.  (The full text of my April 3rd 2007 letter to Mr Glynn can be seen at http://www.europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.co...r.htm .)

Related link: http://www.google.com/search?q=Supreme+Court%2C+Byrne+v...earch

author by CCpublication date Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:56author address author phone Report this post to the editors

1. The NRA (a State appointed body has published its Planning Development and Construction
Guidelines.They do not follow the accepted procedures set down by the Planning Authority,
principally in relation to their published memos which state that 'no route will be changed
after EIS'.

2. The Government appointed Brian Duffy (Government Chief Archaelogist) does not and
never did have even the most basic qualification.

3. In the legal case against the issuing of the 38 separate licences the archaeological experts
were not allowed testify or be cross- examined.

4. The abolition of Duchas (feburary 23rd 2003) leaves Ireland with no statutory agency to
implement the NMA 2004.

5.The road may not have adequate planning permissions.

6. The proposed subdivison of the courts in order to fast-track infrastructural projects
has led to the erosion of citizen rights to judicial process, Minister Roche envisioned
transposing elements of Aarhus into Irish law.

What the Minister of the Environment can do:-

1. re-instigate Duchas or similar body with statutory powers to implement the NMA.
2. Instigate an investigation into the treatment of citizens who have attempted to highlight
the paucity of protections for built heritage.
3.Transpose the Aarhus Convention in toto onto the Stautute.
4. Pay a good advisor cos whomever he is paying is doing a shit job.
5. Meet with the heritage groups involved in Tara (built Heritage) Rossport (natural heritage).
6. Instigate enquiry into the acts of his two immeadiate pre-decessors who abused
mandate to further profit.

Stop the Road!

Related Link: http://www.savetara.com
author by W. Finnerty.publication date Fri Aug 03, 2007 17:00author address author phone Report this post to the editors

To: "CC" (at Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:56 above),

Re: "3.Transpose the Aarhus Convention in toto onto the Statute."

You will be pleased to learn I hope that I sent yet another reminder today to a selection of our senior "public servants" (so called) regarding the way they are "unlawfully failing in their constitutional duty to have the genuinely pro-democratic United Nations 'Aarhus Convention Agreement', which the Republic of Ireland signed in 1998, 'laid before Dáil Eireann (Parliament)' - as is required by Article 29.5.1 of Bunreacht na hEireann (Constitution of the Republic of Ireland)".

I've long believed that the growing collection of problems connected with places such as Tara (M3), Rossport (Shell), Turoe (N6), Kilconnell (Greenstar / National Toll Roads "Super-Dump"), Poolbeg / Ringaskiddy (Incinerators), and many other such disastrous and costly environmental controversies and blunders would not, and could not, have EVER occurred: if our senior public servants had acted lawfully regarding the requirements of Bunreacht na hEireann in connection with the international United Nations Aarhus Convention Agreement.

My hope is that the defence lawyers acting for the Tara protestors (assuming they are any good of course) will raise the matter of the Aarhus Convention Agreement in court, so that the senior "public servants" who have so badly and so corruptly failed the State of the Republic of Ireland, and the citizens of the Republic of Ireland, will be invited to explain their unlawful behaviour regarding the manner in which they have all so slyly and so maliciously contrived to hide all knowledge of the Aarhus Convention Agreement from the general public for the past NINE years.

Who, for example, has ever heard ANY of our "elected representatives", and with due regard for the fact we've just recently had a general election, make the slightest mention in public of the Aarhus Convention Agreement. Nor has there been any mention of it (that I know of) in any of their published general election manifestos - either in 2002 or in 2007.

For anybody interested, a copy of the e-mail I sent today, which was primarily addresses to our "Chief Justice John L. Murray," can be viewed at http://www.europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.co...l.htm .

For those readers who might not be familiar with the basics of the Aarhus Convention Agreement, SOME of them are as follows (in the words of the former United Nations General Secretary Kofi Annan):

1) "It links environmental rights and human rights."

2) "It links government accountability and environmental protection."

3) "The subject of the Aarhus Convention goes to the heart of the relationship between people and governments."

Related Link: http://www.finnachta.com/TheAarhusConvention.htm
author by S.I.Bpublication date Sat Aug 04, 2007 13:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

When Minister Roche introduced the Strategic Infrastructure Bill in 2006 he:-

1. Stated that he would transpose ´elements of Aarhus´into Irish Law.
2. Replied in the affirmative that there are statutory protections for natural or built
heritage in Ireland.

The way of the Gombeen is to utilise and pervert norms of accepted international law and for
the rest of the time to pretend that we are an evolved society. For egalatarianism it is necessary
not to transpose convienent elements of a law into statute but accept that the raison détre
of the law is for the well being of the community and not an excuse to again twist Irish ´mores´
into something unique and insular. We need to recognise the law the conventions and to stop
twisting foe convenience and profit. Minister Roche does us a disservice by putting us in the
dark and feeding us shit!

We need Aarhus- not elements of it.
We need Statutory protections of our natural and built heritage.

author by The Futurepublication date Sat Aug 04, 2007 16:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

We need ALL of Aarhus - "full duck or no dinner" - and no tinkering.

Notice too that Aarhus "acknowledges that we owe an obligation to future generations" - see United Nations comments at http://www.unece.org/env/pp/

Just right for Tara and other similar situations.

Full english text of Aarhus agreement is at http://www.unece.org/env/pp/documents/cep43e.pdf - and very good it is, and not difficult for ordinary people to understand.

author by JWpublication date Sun Aug 05, 2007 15:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The Nation's Courts are OUR COURTS where WE THE PEOPLE RULE in Our Country. 
We are not ruled by Judges.  Judges have NO JURISDICTION over us.
Judges are part of the BUREAUCRACY...and the only authority they have is confined to that INFERIOR domain.
DEMOCRACY is the SUPERIOR domain ... it is OUR GAME played on OUR PLAYING FIELD!
Judges belong on the SIDELINE until we, at our discretion and giving our CONSENT, invite them on to deal with matters in which we allow them to play a role.
Yours sincerely,

John Wilson.

Related Link: http://www.rightsandwrong.com.au
author by Scepticpublication date Wed Aug 08, 2007 21:43author address author phone Report this post to the editors

JW, Judges having jurisdiction over people is not incompatible with democracy unless your concept of democracy is fairly weird. You don't seem to have much insight into the separation of powers. And judges are not part of the bureaucracy or at least not in Anglo Saxon legal jurisdictions.

author by Fred Johnstonpublication date Fri Aug 10, 2007 02:56author email sylfredcar at iolfree dot ieauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

It is fondly to be wondered what action our artists and writers are taking, or considering, with regard to the violations at Tara. What, say, is Aosdána intending to do? One might have expected artists and writers to have some concern for preserving heritage and culture; perhaps the inexorable corporatising of the arts no longer makes this sort of concern practicable. Since politics has utterly failed, perhaps art can save us yet? Or is art merely politics by other means?

author by Susan Repasky - Flicker Light Studiopublication date Fri Aug 10, 2007 04:20author email art at tomandsusan dot usauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

This very act of violence and violation is why I am writing again. It had been many months since I had posted anything, but when I read this posting on the SaveTara group (of which I am a member), about the injustice served on these kind souls who were harassed bodily and then arrested, the words poured out of my soul! I could not believe that they had been given "conditional bail"!! For the love of JM&J, what are those fools thinking? My anger towards those responsible for this is seething. To think that the land and her Sacredness is not allowed to be protected by those who love her is beyond belief and quite unspeakable. I am far away in body, but never in spirit! I will write as much as possible, speak with as many people as I can, and hope that by so doing, some fragment of what I am communicating will engender a change in the course of this history which these despicable hooligans are trying to bring about. I shall return to Ireland in 2008, return to the Valley of the Kings, our beloved Teamhair and Valley of the White Mare! May all that is holy and sacred prevail!!!


Susan Isabella Sheehan-Repasky

“I have always taken a lesson from something that was told me by a sound man, that is, that everyone, Republican or otherwise, has his own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something.” Bobby Sands – March 9, 1954 to May 5, 1981

The Sacred Soul - Blessed Ireland
The Sacred Soul - Blessed Ireland

author by trail blazerpublication date Sat Aug 11, 2007 07:56author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I don't know what it is like in your country Ms Repasky but these protesters are attempting to stop people from carrying on with a legitimate business.

I cannot imagine that if I were to atttempt to stop you from working and earning a living you that you would be pleased?

These people who protest have missed the boat, the time for putting in a protest was when planning permission was being sought.

By the very fact that they were not putting in an objection at the planning stage indicates that they had no interest in what was going on - involved with their own business.

They have actually been dealt with by the courts very leniently - there are countries where the treatment would have been much more severe and I suggest that perhaps yours may be one of those countries.

author by W. Finnerty.publication date Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Prime Minister Ahern was sent another letter yesterday.

The main theme was this:

"If those in power will not fulfil their Constitutional duty to serve the people, then we must remove them and replace them with those who will."

Yesterday's letter was copied to a selection of other senior "public servants" (so called), and to a number of senior lawyers as well.

One of the reasons I was keen to ensure our "public servants" got to know about the above theme is because it has been written by retired United States Air Force Lieutenant-Cornel Dr. Bob Bowman, who apparently believes that it's now touch-and-go as to whether President George W. Bush should be impeached or not.

Among many other things, Dr Bowman has expressed the view that there is a danger of the United States becoming "a fascist dictatorship where big government and big business combine to rule" (his words and NOT mine please note).

"Their foreign and military policies have led us into unnecessary wars of aggression to gain raw materials and enhance profits of the global robber barons" - is another of Dr Bowman's several concerns: which, also include HERITAGE issues, and "the ownership of much of our infrastructure by foreign interests".

For anybody interested, a copy of yesterday's letter to Prime Minister Ahern, together with further information on Dr Bowman's report, can be seen at the following address:

author by We the Peoplepublication date Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:44author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I seems that most People on this Thread are familiar with some of the Con being perpetrated upon the People in some way.

I do believe that the Legal Mob are the King pin in most of the disasterous situations that are dumped on the People . The Banks are given 'Licences' to create the 'Money out if thin air' scam that turn PEOPLE into SLAVES and subject them to work their lives to pay interest with 'real money' for borrowed money that does not exist in the first place. Auctioneers , Solicitors , Financial Institutions etc etc. are given these Licences to operate their ungodly practices. No wonder JC was hung on a cross , he was messing with Money heads.

U.S. Presidential Candidate Ron Paul at the moment is doing the same. ChecK him out. He advocates that Income Tax is unconstitutional. I could'ent agree more. There ARE no provisions in the Constitution that require ANY PERSON TO PAY AN INCOME TAX.

The Courts are the People's Courts but have been made into 'Bank' Courts. 'Bench' comes from Bank and the Judge sits as the Banker presiding over a 'T' account in open Court. No matter who 'looses' in Court, both sides of the BRITISH ACCREDITATION REGISTRY ---- THE BAR , get paid.
Joe Bloggs borrows and foots the bill.

What , we the People need , is the return of the 'Common Law Court' where real issues are dealt with.
There are FIVE COURTS at the FOUR COURTS. They should really be called THE FIVE COURTS because there are five. The fifth being the COMMON LAW COURT that has been turned into an Office and hidden from the People.

We need to invoke OUR old Laws ( maybe Brehon) and kick out the British Law system that we are still under. We are SERFS under this system.

As long as we accept , through ignorance , this regime , we will remain as Slaves to it. Our Country will be ravaged by the New World Order Elites who endevour to persue there objective in erradicating ALL signs of identity for a Global one World Govornment. All Soverignty , Constitutions , Individualism , National Identity , ownership of Property/Land , Freedom and anything else that one may consider a 'luxury' and not a 'given' , are to be taken away from the Person.

At the moment , America is on the edge of a Fascist takeover , as mentioned above.
Their Soverignty is about to be removed by the merging of Canada, Mexico and America to form the North American Union , just like the European Union. Even the Amero currency looks tha same as the Euro.

Unfortunatly ,there are some People who do not see whats on the horizon and believe that anyone who protests about anything as a trouble maker of some sort. It is our Duty to object and say NO to what ever we believe is wrong and unLAWFUL.

ANY Country that has 'BAR' in it's legal system is subject to British Crown Law whether it be Australia, America or Ireland , that is the real issue we must deal with overall.

The only chance we have in open Court is to PRESENT ourselves as first Persons - NOT be REPRESENTED by BAR as third Persons in Court.

We need to present ourselves as Persons of the Irish Nation not as Citizens of THE STATE.
We really need to understand this if we are to be effective in OUR endevours in the returning of OUR Nation to the hands of the People.
Remember, we validate their Licence to operate on our behalf when we engage them to act for us.
We , sign our right of Attorney away when we sign our name.
Your signature is the most valuable asset you possess.

Ignore it and it will go away.

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author by We the Peoplepublication date Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:49author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The link should be jonesreport.com

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author by one of 8publication date Sat Aug 11, 2007 13:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Thank you all for your informative comments above and your interest in our plight.

However comments with regards to our legal defense or actions, it is inappropriate to publicly comment on cases sub judice ,currently under trial or being considered by a judge or court.


author by Michael Martin - TaraWatchpublication date Sat Aug 11, 2007 17:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Was it 8 or 9 people who got arrested? Initially 7 people were taken into custody at Soldiers Hill. A couple of days later Aodh got arrested as well, and then there was Danny who climbed on a digger displaying the tricolour. It's important that we keep track of all this and that nobody being subjected to such harassment by those government thugs will be forgotten. Well done to all of you in the valley for standing up against the vile tyranny of our own government.

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author by Susan Repasky - Flicker Light Studiopublication date Sat Aug 11, 2007 21:35author email art at tomandsusan dot usauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

Hi Trail Blazer. In the U.S., when protesters are assembled in a peaceful manner, they are allowed to carry out their protest, usually without retribution from the “authorities”. I do appreciate your comments regarding protesting a persons right to earn a living, and also that this construction/destruction may not have been tested at the planning stage. It is not the “right to earn a living” that I am protesting, but rather the destruction of an heritage site, our shared heritage, and an important part of the history of our ancestors.

Hi William. I do hope and pray that your letter is given more attention than my own was. For the good of the Irish people world wide, and anyone interested in Sacred sites, I do hope the best.

Hi We The People. You make many valid points as regards the “con game” worldwide. It is imperative that those who are aware of this make public their knowledge. I agree that the Brehon Laws should be invoked, and that the people of Ireland and of true Irish descent be given a voice.

I have done a bit of research on the Amero, and still need to better understand what the North American Countries are planning as regards currency. Thank you for your insight.

Hi 1 of the 8. I hope that what I have posted here is not inappropriate. I would not write another word if I thought that I was harming the “cause” in any way.

Hi Michael. I join with you in saying “Well Done” to each and every one of those who have taken the time to physically go to the sites to protest.

Blessings to one and all,

Susan Isabella Sheehan-Repasky

“I have always taken a lesson from something that was told me by a sound man, that is, that everyone, Republican or otherwise, has his own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something.” Bobby Sands – March 9, 1954 to May 5, 1981.

"It is the entitlement and birthright of every person born in the island of Ireland, which includes its islands and seas, to be part of the Irish Nation. That is also the entitlement of all persons otherwise qualified in accordance with law to be citizens of Ireland. Furthermore, the Irish nation cherishes its special affinity with people of Irish ancestry living abroad who share its cultural identity and heritage." (Article 2, Constitution of the Republic of Ireland.)

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author by Off with the thread!publication date Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:38author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The Tara debacle is quite simply put about:-

1. Globalisation.
2. Use of tech to single out and criminalise leaders.
3. The failure of the Green Party to recognise its split from a grass root, which it will never
get back.
4. The Minister for the environment's cowardice.
5. The Political manouevres of the previous Minister for the environment.
6. The NRA subverting the planning laws.
7. The Use of fast-track planning to erode civil liberties and access to judicial process
and above all to pointout that a green party 'leader' has accepted and run away from
his first test:_ the M3 is not economically sustainable, it involves the bi-section of the Gabhra Valley
which includes the demolition of 39 sites which are inherently part of a complex, this points to
the defecit in governmental policy which refuses to acknowledge the importance of
retaining heritage for future generations.

Three ministers colluded in the destruction on Tara:-
Martin Cullen.
Dick Roche.
John Gormley.
+ Noel Dempsey (Shell and aer Lingus)

FF ended , did anyone notice?

[Its not about romance, its not about Bobby Sands RIP) its about how some well meaning
stupid people can take us on tangents and we accept the dilution of culture in exchange
for expedience.

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author by Michael Martin - TaraWatchpublication date Sun Aug 12, 2007 13:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I would add as point 8, "The attempts being made by those who control national governments to eradicate all aspects of European, culture, heritage and identity worldwide!"

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author by W. Finnerty.publication date Mon Aug 13, 2007 14:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Caller (at Saturday July 28, 2007 11:05 above),

My experience suggests otherwise.

Please note (for example) that I have never received any reply of any kind, not even an acknowledgement of receipt, to a letter I sent through the registered post to Mr John Glynn, Barrister and Principal Lawyer at Patrick Hogan & Co., Ballinalsloe, County Galway (Republic of Ireland) on April 3rd 2007 - the contents of which can be viewed at http://www.europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.co...r.htm .

The fact Mr Glynn is not responding to the above mentioned letter speaks for itself I feel, and it tells its own very worrying story.

It is also the case that two very close blood-relatives of mine (who both live in County Galway) have written to Mr Glynn EXPRESSING THEIR CONCERN regarding the way my case is being handled by the legal profession. A copy of their letter to Mr Glynn, which was dated May 14th 2007, and which was also sent through the registered post, can be seen at http://www.europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.co...r.htm .

A scanned copy of the "To Whom It May Concern" letter (dated October 28th 2005) referred to by my relatives in the letter at the above address, which was written by my GP (Dr Michael McCavert), can be viewed at http://www.europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.co...r.htm .

As in my own case, my relatives have not received any reply from Mr Glynn to their letter either: which, as I see things at least, makes the whole situation with our legal profession extremely disturbing, in addition to very worrying.

Put in a nutshell, it appears - from my viewpoint - that the legal profession (in both Ireland and the United Kingdom) is COMPLETELY ignoring the contents of Dr Michael McCavert's "To Whom It May Concern" letter dated October 28th 2005, and have now been doing so for close on two years now - in spite of numerous reminders of its existence.

Unfortunately, as I trust you will understand, I can find no evidence that "The victims right to redress is guaranteed". In fact, and as my case very clearly demonstrates (I believe), and without wishing to be in any offensive towards you personally, NOTHING could be further from the truth: at the present time.

author by W. Finnerty.publication date Wed Aug 15, 2007 14:18author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The information in my Mon Aug 13, 2007 14:59 Indymedia posting (above) has been sent to a fairly large selection of senior "public servants" and lawyers, and a copy of the e-mail used has been placed on the Internet, for all the world to see, at: http://www.europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.co...l.htm .

In connection with all the corruption which is going on at present, the bulk of my anger relating to it is with the legal profession really, and the surreptitious and sly way that they, behind the scenes, are providing "keystone" type support for it, and for all the closely associated bullying which goes with it.

It seems to me that those members of the legal profession who are not themselves corrupt, are too cowardly and too afraid to fairly-and-squarely stand up to those that are. Hence the stinking mess of political, legal, and corporate corruption we've now got, and which appears (to me) to be growing.

The main upshot of this situation (it seems to me), and unless something of significance can be done about it, is that many of us will be forever battling with the SYMPTOMS of corruption, radiating and wafting out from our senior "public servants" (so called), and all of the despotic type bullying associated with it, without ever tackling its main source of support for all this corruption and bullying: i.e. the legal profession.

As I see things, none of the really nasty things that are still happening at Tara (for instance) could be happening, were it not for the tacit and hidden support of senior members of the legal profession.

I don't know of anybody who believes (for example) that the National Monuments (Amendment) Act 2004 is constitutional: yet our judges continue to pretend it is, and to act accordingly.

It seems to me that tinkering with the symptoms of corruption, and tackling the causes, are two very different things. For my part, I plan to keep on trying to tackle the causes, however scary and difficult that might be at times. In my case, I feel I have to adapt this approach really - because this is the only way I might be able to return safely to my home in Galway some day.

On a more positive note, information about some of the extremely sickening happenings at Tara is at present being carried by a Yahoo Group called Celtic Cafe, which has around 1630 members at the moment. I don't know for sure where they are based, but I suspect it is in the United States of America. Their address is: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/CelticCafe/ .

Related Link: http://www.europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.com
author by JWpublication date Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:08author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I have decided to create a new group for the promotion of Common Law Rights.
The purpose is to set up the machinery to disseminate basic information to the People regarding their inalienable Rights - with the Right to Trial by Jury being essential to and underpinning all those Rights.
There will be no chiefs and no bottle-washers. We are all men and women incensed by the mismanagement, corruption and downright treachery that has overtaken our countries...and we all are sovereign human beings intent on protecting our communities and our families. 
The Media have clearly shown that they will not report or inform, as their Code of ethics requires ...... we are going to have to do it, ourselves. At this stage, it looks like handing out easy-to-read leaflets in front of Court Houses will be the most direct way.
Common Law means Trial by Jury and Trial by Jury, alone.  Once a Court is without Trial by Jury, its not a Common Law Court.
The "Judges" try to convince People that they (Judges) make Common Law...but that is simply preposterous.  "Common" means "of the People, by the People and for the People", ie: it is Democracy in action...and Democracy means that People Rule.
"And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you"...
Judges are trying to make our Courts into Commercial Law Courts, and that's exactly what they're trying to do, ie: make us into "goods for sale", ie: "artificial persons with no Rights".
If we don't tell those scoundrels where to go, then we are as stupid as they think we are.
Make no mistake, defiance and challenging WILL achieve Justice...and remember that genuine Justice is about "the protection of rights and the punishment of wrongs".

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author by Carmelpublication date Mon Aug 27, 2007 15:14author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Michael it was indeed 9 people arrested in total. Thankyou.


author by infopublication date Mon Aug 27, 2007 15:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The first hearing regarding the criminalisation of protestors is on September the 5th
In Navan Courthouse, a notice will go up nearer the date. In the meantime 7 of the
nine are still under strict bail conditions.
The current minister for the Environment is 'lessening the visual impact' of the road
and has not sought a meeting with campaigners who have evidence of brutality
on this newswire, the sites and the manistream media. The case is now sub judice.
far cry from Minister Gormleys requesting of stills from RTS!

Updates on the DOE approach to fast -track planning and unsustainable development:-


[can someone add in the link to the Lismullin dig???]

author by Carmel Ni Dhuibheanaigh - Hibernian Order of Druidspublication date Mon Aug 27, 2007 18:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Is this the one you mean?



author by Sub Judicepublication date Mon Aug 27, 2007 20:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

What are the implications of "sub judice" in this particular case?

Does it just literally mean "under judgment" (straight from the Latin), or is there anything more involved?

author by Scepticpublication date Mon Aug 27, 2007 20:56author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I think you misunderstand Common Law. English Common Law is just one source of the law of Ireland and it never meant that one had an unqualified right to trial by jury. It would depend on the gravity of the charge. Having a jury for everything would be unworkable.

author by CEpublication date Tue Aug 28, 2007 09:05author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Does the Republic of Ireland have any written guidelines anywhere which separates (by gravity) the cases which have to be heard using "Trial by Jury" from those that don't?

If not, who decides?

Also, what about cases involving legislation which possibly violates the Constitution? Do you know if such cases are considered grave enough to warrant a "Trial by Jury" type hearing?

author by JWpublication date Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:09author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The Right to Trial by Jury is inalienable. It is also unqualified in so far as it applies to every "Freeman" and "Freewoman" (i.e. any and every human being who is not a slave or in bondage) without exception in every circumstance.

However and logically, non flesh-and-blood entities are not Freemen and have no Right to Trial by Jury, at all...these would be corporations and instrumentalities of the Bureaucracy.

For Freemen, the Right to Trial by Jury does not "depend on the gravity of the charge" nor on the nature of the dispute. If one or both of the parties to an action is a/are Freeman/Freemen, he/they may choose not to exercise his/their Right to Trial by Jury for his/their own reasons and sign a Memorandum of Consent to allow the Court to proceed summarily.

The suggestion that "Having a jury for everything would be unworkable" is misconceived and very wrong. Once the reality of the Right to Trial by Jury is universally known, there will be a dramatic change in society, generally. People will have their confidence in the Administration of Justice restored and those who want to right wrongs will be going to the Courts for the "enforcement of just causes". Also, once those who are contemplating doing wrong, know they are going to have to face a Jury of ordinary men and women who have been given the task of protecting their own community and preserving the values which they hold dear ..... they are going to think twice or three times before they offend. PLUS, once all those Banksters and Bureaucrats, who think they can defraud and oppress ordinary People with impunity and bad laws, know that their actions and bad laws will go before fully informed Juries and receive the treatment they deserve ...they are going to think twice or three times before they offend.

"Unworkable"????  Quite the reverse. Our counties will start to "work" as they are supposed to "work".

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