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Palestine's 1948 agony, its Nakba, is commemorated in Galway

category galway | rights, freedoms and repression | news report author Tuesday May 15, 2007 18:26author by TD - Ireland-Palestine Solidarity Campaign Report this post to the editors

"In a matter of seven months, five hundred and thirty one villages were destroyed and eleven urban neighborhoods emptied" (Ilan Pappe)

In May 1948, Zionist immigrants who comprised 35% of the population and owned less than 7% of the land, in defiance of the Palestinian people, persuaded the UN to support the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine, what followed was a catastrophe, Palestine's.
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Some 750,000 were driven out or else fled in fear, their homes and villages razed to prevent their returning - according to historian Ilan Pappe; "In a matter of seven months, five hundred and thirty one villages were destroyed and eleven urban neighborhoods emptied. The mass expulsion was accompanied by massacres, rape and the imprisonment of men in labor camps for periods of over a year." In an address to the General Staff in May 1948, David Ben-Gurion, founding PM of Israel set out what had to be done: "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."

In December 1948, Resolution 194 was passed by the UN confirming the refugees legal right to return to their homes and land, two years later Israel's response was to legalise the criminal expropriation of Palestinian property by passing the Absentee Property Law providing for the confiscation of the property and land left behind by fleeing Palestinians, the so-called "absentees" (Arabs who never left Israel, and received citizenship after the war, but stayed for a few days in a nearby village had their property also confiscated), according to the Middle East correspondent of the UK Independent, Robert Fisk, an Israeli Custodian of Absentee Property told him that, including the Gaza Strip and The West Bank it could amount to up to 70% of the territory.

So it went, so it goes. no mercy for Palestine then or now, only a slow vicious torture on the Israeli wheel?.

Related Link: http://www.ipsc.ie

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President of the Labour Party, their spokesman on Foreign Affairs and pristine friend of Palestine; Michael D. Higgins
President of the Labour Party, their spokesman on Foreign Affairs and pristine friend of Palestine; Michael D. Higgins

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author by TD - IPSCpublication date Tue May 15, 2007 18:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

more !

Present Mayor of Galway City, aspirant TD (Green Party) and powerful advocate for Palestine; Neill O' Brolchain
Present Mayor of Galway City, aspirant TD (Green Party) and powerful advocate for Palestine; Neill O' Brolchain

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author by TD - IPSCpublication date Tue May 15, 2007 18:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

2!

"Rapture"
"Rapture"

"How much is that doggie in Armageddon's window?
"How much is that doggie in Armageddon's window?

author by Curiouspublication date Tue May 15, 2007 20:01author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Israel –Noun: Rogue state created by ethnic cleansing specializes in state terrorism and humanitarian crimes sponsored by the United States."

Are the authors of the above suggesting that the right of the State of Israel to exist is illegitimate?

Israel is a modern liberal pluralist democracy which garantees human rights, freedom of speech, gender equality, religious freedom, private property rights etc etc like every other civilised Western nation.

Last time I checked it has a population of 6 million Jewish men women and children who are not going to allow themselves to be ethnically cleansed by the combined forces of Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Fatah, PFLP, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, PLO, Iran and Syria.

Are you suggesting that Israel should be wiped off the map?

Nice to see that Michael D is nailing his Anti-Semitic colours to the mast.

Someone should take the issue of his presence at a pro-terror, pro-Islamic extremist, Anti-Jewish demonstration to the attention of Pat Rabitte (who offered asylum of the Saddam Hussein if I remember correctly).

author by DMpublication date Tue May 15, 2007 22:14author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The IPSC is not anti-semetic or Islamic extremist! for christ sake the national chair is a Jew!!!!
Maybe you should research an organisation before you make those kind of statments about it

author by Curiouspublication date Wed May 16, 2007 09:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Noam Chomsky is the CEO of Self-Hating Jew Inc.
There are many more like him.

If they and other leftist want dhimmitude - that's fine.

The rest of the free world including Israel is not going to surrender to Islamic extremism and Islamic terror.

The only solution I can offer the Palestinians is the same solution that has been on offer to all of the Arabs since 1948.

Accept the right of the State of Israel to exist, stop attacking it and stop preaching for its destruction.

If they agreed to do this in a heart beat Israel would withdraw from the Golan, West Bank and Gaza and there would be two-states - Israel and Palestine living side by side in peace.

But Palestinians do not want this.

They want the total destruction of the State of Israel and to conquer its territory in the name of Islam and to extreminate and/or exile the entire Jewish population.
Leftists who support the Palestinian cause know this all to well but prefer to ignore it.Leftist hatred of Israel is based on hatred of the US.Leftists wish to see the destruction of Israel because they wish the destruction of the US and towards that goal they are allied with extremist Islamic terror.

author by Fact checkerpublication date Wed May 16, 2007 10:11author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"If they agreed to do this in a heart beat Israel would withdraw from the Golan, West Bank and Gaza and there would be two-states - Israel and Palestine living side by side in peace."

Hmmm, so that would be why the Israeli government has said repeatedly that it's unthinkable for them to withdraw from the whole territory of the West Bank? That would be why they reacted with hostility and obvious fury to the recent offer by the Arab states to sign a peace treaty with Israel once it has withdrawn to its 1967 borders?

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, you really should try to think a little more before you post such obvious lies

author by natemapublication date Wed May 16, 2007 15:20author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Can you seriously imply that Israel respects the human rights and private property rights of the Palestinian people? I would quote statistics proving the reverse if I thought it would make any difference to you.

Are you denying the fact of the Nakbha? Of the invasion of Palestine and subsequent massacre and brutal occupation of its people?

There is nothing anti-semitic about disgreeing with the policies of the Israeli government. I disagree with many of the Irish government's policies. Does that make me anti-Irish? There's a difference between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. The more you wheel out this tired old argument, the more ridiculous it seems.

The Irish Left does not in general feel that Israel should be 'wiped off the map'.
How can you suggest that the Palestinian people do not have the right to live with dignity and in peace? Don't you realise that as long as Israel continues to kill their children and strangle a whole culture, there will be retaliatory attacks? (Not that I'm condoning Palestinian violence)

It still amazes me that such bigotry and racism abounds today...

author by Gerpublication date Wed May 16, 2007 19:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"It still amazes me that such bigotry and racism abounds today..."

What about the Palestinians who you support?

The following are 3 statements by Hamas officials

“This is Islam, that was ahead of its time with regards to human rights in the treatment of prisoners, but our people was afflicted by the cancerous lump, that is the Jews, in the heart of the Arab nation… Be certain that America is on its way to disappear, America is wallowing [in blood] today in Iraq and Afghanistan, America is defeated and Israel is defeated, and was defeated in Lebanon and Palestine… Make us victorious over the infidel people… Allah, take hold of the Jews and their allies, Allah, take hold of the Americans and their allies… Allah, count them and kill them to the last one and don’t leave even one.”
[PA TV, April 20, 2007]

"The representative of the Legislative Council, Dr. Yussuf Al-Sharafi, of the 'Change and Reform' faction [Hamas], emphasized the option of Jihad and resistance to banish the thieves of the occupation, who longed to drink the blood of our massacred people... because the Jewish faith does not wish for peace nor stability, since it is a faith that is based on murder: 'I kill, therefore I am'… Israel is based only on blood and murder in order to exist, and it will disappear, with Allah’s will, through blood and Shahids [martyrs]."
[Al-Risalah, Hamas, April 12, 2007]

Sheikh Dr. Ahmad Bahar (acting Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council):
“Oh warrior brothers, who stay put and withstand the [patience] test on the land of beloved Palestine. Do you know these Zionists, why they kill the children, the women and the men? This is the policy of the Zionist entity, this is a planned and organized policy. Their false Talmud, their false Torah, and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion call for the murder of children, women and men, and they want to implement them [the books] on the land of Palestine and Lebanon of today.”
[PA TV, August 4, 2006]

author by Nodinpublication date Thu May 17, 2007 14:13author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I note that barely 8 comments have passed and we've already seen the old favourite "You just hate Jews" and "They just want blood" arguments dragged out.

The fact is that the countries involved most in the Holocaust were not dissolved, nor were there people deprived of self determination. Why then should the Palestinians, who have no such baggage, be denied a state?

I might also enquire as to why an Israel 'under attack' seems so hell bent on building civillian housing in these most disputed areas (the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem).

author by Trevorpublication date Thu May 17, 2007 15:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The irony is that there would never have been a state of Israel if it hadn't been for the rampant antisemitism that prevails in Europe, the very same type of antisemitism that's being perpetuated by the IPSC today.

author by Trevor Francispublication date Thu May 17, 2007 15:41author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Since the "antisemitism" you refer to is a fantasy concocted by your imagination so you don't have to deal with arguments that are unanswerable, we are obliged to ignore your comment and see it as yet another pathetic attempt to deflect justified criticism of Israel with moral blackmail. Your cheap exploitation of the Holocaust to justify repression and terror is truly sickening.

author by Trevorpublication date Thu May 17, 2007 15:50author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I refer to the Dreyfus affair and the birth of the the Zionist movement spearheaded by the journalist Theodore Herzl. Zionism was a response to rampant antisemitism, to the Dreyfus affair and to he pogroms in Eastern Europe. If it hadn't been for rampant antisemitism there wouldn't have been zionism.
If anything people like yourselves provide ample ammunition to justify the zionist movement.

author by Reallypublication date Thu May 17, 2007 16:12author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Trevor,

I kind of agree with you that Zionism was as a result of rmapant anti semitism but you seem not to be able to answer the question of why did the Palestinians have to pay and continue to pay for the sins of Europeans?

author by Trevorpublication date Thu May 17, 2007 16:17author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Am inclined to agree with you too Really; but my opinion is that Europeans have a lot to answer for.

author by Gerpublication date Thu May 17, 2007 17:29author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The Lies:

(1)Palestinians want a state that simply includes the West Bank and Gaza.
(2)If Palestinians were given this state they would live side by side peacefully with the State of Israel.
(3)The only reason Palestinians attack Israel is because Israel occupies and/or attacks Palestinian territory.

The Truth:

(1) Palestinians want a state that includes the West Bank, Gaza and the entire territory of Israel which they believe is stolen Arab Muslim land.
(2) Palestinians want the entire Jewish population, men, women and children to be extreminated and/or expelled and the state of Israel destroyed and its territory absorbed by the Palestinian state.
(3) The Palestinian attack Israel is in order to destroy Israel and kill as many Jews as they possibly can.

author by natemapublication date Thu May 17, 2007 18:01author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The Lies:

(1) Palestinians want a state that includes the West Bank, Gaza and the entire territory of Israel which they believe is stolen Arab Muslim land.
(2) Palestinians want the entire Jewish population, men, women and children to be extreminated and/or expelled and the state of Israel destroyed and its territory absorbed by the Palestinian state.
(3) The Palestinian attack Israel is in order to destroy Israel and kill as many Jews as they possibly can.

Another View:

(1) Besides the fact that it IS stolen Arab land, the Palestinians have repeatedly offered peace deals to Israel and been rejected, the most recent one being for Israel to return to its 1967 borders.
(2) Yes there are fanatical elements in Palestine (as everywhere in the region, including Israel), hardly surprising in the wake of the ethnic cleansing they're undergoing. But the majority of Palestinians express the wish to love in peace, with dignity.
(3) The Palestinian attacks on Israel are a direct result of years of incredibly violent repression. It is utter foolishness to think that if a people are subjected to the kind of tyranny they have been there will not be a response. Palestinian violence towards Israel began AFTER the area was invaded and the people violently expelled from where they were living. Is that surprising?

Have you seen the conditions in the Occupied Territories and the refugee camps? Do you believe that the Israeli army does not indiscriminately murder and brutalise innocent people?

author by Jan Vennegoor of Hesselinkpublication date Thu May 17, 2007 21:30author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The Christians suffered proportionately more as a result of land confiscations.

author by Trevor Francispublication date Fri May 18, 2007 09:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"I refer to the Dreyfus affair and the birth of the the Zionist movement spearheaded by the journalist Theodore Herzl. Zionism was a response to rampant antisemitism, to the Dreyfus affair and to he pogroms in Eastern Europe. If it hadn't been for rampant antisemitism there wouldn't have been zionism.
If anything people like yourselves provide ample ammunition to justify the zionist movement."

No, you referred to the "antisemitism" of the IPSC, which is, as I said, a fantasy concocted by your imagination. Your attempt to use the Holocaust to smear the Palestinian solidarity movement and deny Palestinians their legitimate democractic rights is pathetic and nauseating

author by Gerpublication date Fri May 18, 2007 09:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"(1) Besides the fact that it IS stolen Arab land, the Palestinians have repeatedly offered peace deals to Israel and been rejected, the most recent one being for Israel to return to its 1967 borders."

In 1967 Israel invaded the Sinai, West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights because they were being used as staging posts for terrorist attacks and an imminent invasion of Israel by the combined armies of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq. If Israel returns to the pre-1967 borders the Palestinians will use those territories once again for terrorist attacks on Israeli territory. The Palestinian peace deals are merely a bluff.

"(2) Yes there are fanatical elements in Palestine (as everywhere in the region, including Israel), hardly surprising in the wake of the ethnic cleansing they're undergoing. But the majority of Palestinians express the wish to love in peace, with dignity."

The majority of Palestinians support Hamas. The rest of them support Fatah. Both organisations are extremist and committed to war with Israel. If Palestinians want peace they should stop attacking Israel.

"(3) The Palestinian attacks on Israel are a direct result of years of incredibly violent repression. It is utter foolishness to think that if a people are subjected to the kind of tyranny they have been there will not be a response. Palestinian violence towards Israel began AFTER the area was invaded and the people violently expelled from where they were living. Is that surprising?"

When Israel is being attacked by suicide bombers and terrorists are firing at civilian areas with rockets from Palestinian areas, Israel has the right to go into those areas, impose martial law, round up and/or kill the terrorists and fence them in Palestinians to prevent them entering Israel to commit atrocities against Jewish men women and children. The hardships Palestinians endure they bring upon themselves by consistently supporting the aims of the terrorists groups who wish to destory Israel and kill every Jewish man woman and child.

Once Palestinians abandon their 7th century Islamic fanaticism and join the 21st century civilised modern world and accept the right of the State of Israel to exist and recognise the rights of Jewish men women and children to live unmolested by terrorism, then Israel will gladly make peace.

author by Trevorpublication date Fri May 18, 2007 10:11author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Mr Francis could you please point out where I made mention of the Holocaust

author by Lickspittlepublication date Fri May 18, 2007 10:53author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Better if they had also said at the top that Israel was invaded on its creation in 1948.

And that you can be anti-Zionist but not at all anti-Semitic. Lots of Jews are.

Arafat had his chance with the Oslo Accords in the 1990s and blew it. Then Rabin was killed and such a deal became less likely. The Palestinians are better off without Fatah and Hamas, just as Israel is better off without types like Begin. Like Ulster, everyone else wants them to get on together and get rich.

The Palestinians in Kuwait supported the Iraqi invasion in 1990. That removed a lot of Arab help. So now the EU is expected to pay their bills? No thanks.

author by ajanibpublication date Fri May 18, 2007 10:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

>>"If Israel returns to the pre-1967 borders the Palestinians will use those territories once again for terrorist attacks on Israeli territory. The Palestinian peace deals are merely a bluff."

And what proof have you for these ridiculous claims? In what way are the Palestinian peace offers a bluff? Can you back up anything you're saying?

>>"The majority of Palestinians support Hamas. The rest of them support Fatah. Both organisations are extremist and committed to war with Israel. If Palestinians want peace they should stop attacking Israel."

Hamas were funded by Israel in order to undermine the largely secular and non-extremist PLO (including Fatah). You want to blame the Palestinians for the success of a group that was helped to its current position by Zionists. Got it a bit backwards there, haven't you?

http://www.upi.com/inc/view.php?StoryID=18062002-051845...8272r

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArti...=1817

>>"When Israel is being attacked by suicide bombers and terrorists are firing at civilian areas with rockets from Palestinian areas, Israel has the right to go into those areas, impose martial law, round up and/or kill the terrorists and fence them in Palestinians to prevent them entering Israel to commit atrocities...Blah blah blah"

So, by your logic, "while Palestine is under illegal occupation, while war crimes are being committed daily against its population, while civilians are being murdered, children imprisoned, livelihoods destroyed, etc.... then Palestinians have a right to go into Israel and kill "civilians" who all do military service and therefore are complicit in these crimes."

That's your logic. Seem a bit flawed? One you abandon your backwards reactionary bullshit, maybe you'll be able to partake in a real debate.

>>"Once Palestinians abandon their 7th century Islamic fanaticism and join the 21st century civilised modern world and accept the right of the State of Israel to exist and recognise the rights of Jewish men women and children to live unmolested by terrorism..."

I've been to Palestine. It's as modern as a country under occupation can be. It has a very high level of education, and I never once encountered the backwards religious fanaticism you've convinced yourself exists there. In fact, the only place I saw that was among orthodox Jews in Jerusalem. And not one Palestinian I met, during 3 months living there, did not recognise the right of Israel to exist.

"...then Israel will gladly make peace."

Oh? Then what about this one example of many where Israel refused peace? And this was long before the first Intifada:

In February 1971, UN mediator Gunnar Jarring presented a proposal to Egypt and Israel that called for full peace between them in return for full Israeli withdrawal from Egyptian territory. Egyptian President Sadat accepted the proposal. While officially welcoming Egypt's expression "of its readiness to enter into a peace agreement with Israel," the government of Israel rejected the agreement, stating that "Israel will not withdraw to the pre-June 5, 1967 lines. The reasoning was explained by Haim Bar-Lev of the governing Labor Party: "I think that we could obtain a peace settlement on the basis of the earlier [pre-June 1967] borders. If I were persuaded that this is the maximum that we might obtain, I would say: agreed. But I think that it is not the maximum. I think that if we continue to hold out, we will obtain more."

The Jarring-Sadat agreement was consistent with official US policy. However, Kissinger insisted that the US must insist upon "stalemate": no diplomacy, no negotiations. His position prevailed, and Sadat's peace offer was rejected.

Since 1971, the US and Israel have been virtually alone in rejecting the standard interpretation of the withdrawal clause of UN 242

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199310--.htm

I could trot out a few more examples, but I've already wasted enough time replying to you. Don't allow facts, reason or rigour to interfere with your insane biases based on reactionary flights of fancy now, y'hear?

author by ajanibpublication date Fri May 18, 2007 11:01author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Try constructing some sentences that make sense. That is the point of language, after all.

author by Gerpublication date Fri May 18, 2007 13:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Israel prime minister Ariel Sharon agreed in good faith to withdraw Jewish settlers and military units from Gaza and it was done.

Then in late summer 2006 Israel came under a murderous attack from Iran backed Hezbollah with rockets fired from Souther Lebanon.

At the same time Hamas began firing rockets from the Gaza Strip.

Palestinians made a mockery of the agreement to withdraw from Gaza and still do.

Hamas has threatened yesterday to resume suicide attacks against Israeli civilians.

You can pretend as much as you like that the Palestinian cause is just and that you and others like you who support them are not anti-semitic jew hating degenerates.

You will fool nobody.

Israel has the right defend itself and it will defend itself.

If you care so much about the Palestinian cause join Hamas or Fatah or whatever other Palestinian criminal terrorist mafia you wish.

Put up or shut up.

author by Lickspittlepublication date Fri May 18, 2007 18:10author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Ok Ajanib,

>> Try constructing some sentences that make sense. That is the point of language, after all.

The new Israel was invaded in 1948 by Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq, which made the Israelis unduly paranoid.

The Oslo Accords were a reasonable deal signed by, but not implemented by, Yasser Arafat.

The Palestinians resident in Kuwait in 1990 hailed the Iraqi invaders. In consequence, they were expelled after its liberation and Kuwait and other oil-rich Arab states reduced their financial support for Palestine.

Only so many chances can come along for the desperately poor Palestinians. Certainly from 1990 Hamas and Fatah have made a bad situation worse.

author by Feyadeenpublication date Sat May 19, 2007 15:56author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"The Oslo Accords were a reasonable deal signed by, but not implemented by, Yasser Arafat."

You've been repeating this contemptible lie on several threads now. The reality is, Arafat bent over backwards to accomodate Israeli demands in the 90s, he did everything he was required to do under the agreements and then some, while Israel continued to build army bases and settlements (more built from 1993-2000 than from 1967 to 1993). When you say "Arafat didn't implement the deal", what you mean is "Arafat didn't go as far as Israel demanded in abandoning all the legitimate democratic goals of his people and accepting a handful of bantustans hemmed in by soldiers and settlers, with borders and resources controlled by Israel".

Why can't you just say what you mean, instead of lying? It'd be much simpler for everyone...

And I hope everyone can enjoy the comedy of Ger's reference to the LEBANESE attack on ISRAEL. Yeah, cos' that's exactly what happened, didn't we all see it happen last summer?

author by Ajanibpublication date Sat May 19, 2007 17:20author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"You can pretend as much as you like that the Palestinian cause is just and that you and others like you who support them are not anti-semitic jew hating degenerates."

Does that include the UN, countless anti-Zionist Israeli and Diaspora Jews, Amnesty International and pretty much every human rights organisation on the face of the earth, etc. etc....?

The Israeli pull-out from Gaza meant nothing - it's a tiny strip of land with a few million Arabs on it which Israel didn't want - and in no way disproves anything I said. However, you have proved that you're a hysterical paranoid who only sees the world in black and white: you believe that people either support Israel murdering civilians, or Hamas murdering civilians. Wise up or piss off.

Lickspittle:

Both Feyadeen and myself have dealt with your rubbish on other threads, and yet you continue to present lies as if they're self-evident truths. Back up what you're saying or you have no point.

author by PaddyKpublication date Sun May 20, 2007 13:44author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Our African-American Brothers and Sisters stand sholuder to shoulder with the Palestinians in the dark hours of the New Nakba.

"Our leaders have not criticized the Jewish people but they have expressed outrage at the Israeli government that collaborated with the apartheid South African government (including in the development of weapons of mass destruction) and emulated South Africa's treatment of its Black majority in its own treatment of the Palestinian people."

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=2...12859

"Palestinians are a people being squeezed to death, not only by a wall that cuts off farmers from their ancestral lands and splits families in two, but also by a system of paper, permits, proof, and permissions."

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6901.shtml

Only a full recognition of Palestinian Rights can lead to a secure Israel.

author by Lickspittlepublication date Tue May 22, 2007 14:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Don't think I'm anti-Palestinian. But a compromise is the only way. Difficult with Israel, and yes Arafat was asked to make concessions in the 1990s and yes 'Bantustans' would result. But nobody seriously expects the Pals to get back the whole of Palestine, and expel all the Israelis.

Only partition (or Bantustans) was possible from 1948.

Surely compromise is better than being driven eventually to the wall and driven mad on the way there? There's an old Irish phrase 'anything is better than nothing'. Get back what you can before you have nothing.

author by PaddyKpublication date Wed May 23, 2007 12:13author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I am not a Palestinian, but I think endless intafada would be better than living in a cage. Thats not a compromise that would be totalitarian destruction of Human rights and slavery. Is that better than nothing?

author by Feyadeenpublication date Wed May 23, 2007 13:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"But a compromise is the only way. Difficult with Israel, and yes Arafat was asked to make concessions in the 1990s and yes 'Bantustans' would result. But nobody seriously expects the Pals to get back the whole of Palestine, and expel all the Israelis.

Only partition (or Bantustans) was possible from 1948.

Surely compromise is better than being driven eventually to the wall and driven mad on the way there? There's an old Irish phrase 'anything is better than nothing'. Get back what you can before you have nothing."

Either you don't know what you are talking about, or you are deliberately misrepresenting the case. Your use of "Pals", a term favoured by anti-Palestinian racists, suggests the latter. Anyway, the choice is not and never has been between "expelling all the Israelis" from historic Palestine on the one hand, and accepting small, isolated Bantustans, hemmed in by soldiers and settlements, with the borders and natural resources controlled by Israel, on the other.

The demand of the Palestinian movement for decades now, recently repeated by the whole of the Arab world, is for partition on the basis of a fully independent Palestinian state, covering the whole of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, with full control over its own destiny and a capital in East Jerusalem. Anyone who expects the Palestinians to first give up 78% of their land to Israel, and then allow the Israelis to take a big chunk of the 22% remaining in the current occupied territories, is certainly "anti-Palestinian".

I suppose you would have told the ANC in the 70s that they should accept the crumbs being offered by the apartheid regime, because their goal of a multi-racial democracy was hopelessly unrealistic.

author by MichaelY - iawm/ipscpublication date Wed May 23, 2007 15:27author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Photo Exhibition Sam Irons:
Wall New Photographs from Israel and Palestine

You are invited to attend the following event.
Sam Irons: Wall New Photographs from Israel and Palestine
24/05/07 - 30/05/07 MonsterTruck Gallery, 73 Francis St, Dublin 8

author by arab muslempublication date Wed Jun 16, 2010 14:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The Zionist enemy will remain the Zionist enemy, because the existence of this entity in the heart of the treacherous
The Arab-Muslim world is a big mistake, because this entity is not involved with the Arab world
Islamic basic characteristics of the Arab-Muslim world (religion, language, customs and traditions)
Thus the existence of this entity in the Arab world will remain constant tension in the Middle East.
The only solution to end the problem of the Middle East and the world's problem is to unite the Arab and Islamic countries
Ministry of Defence and one common to all Arab and Islamic countries and the expulsion of Jews from Palestine, all of
Palestine, because Palestine Arab Islamic state and will remain forever, God willing,

author by Anti-Semanticismpublication date Wed Jun 16, 2010 14:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Does that include the UN, countless anti-Zionist Israeli and Diaspora Jews, Amnesty International and pretty much every human rights organisation on the face of the earth, etc. etc....?

have you not learned by now that EVERYONE is an 'Anti-Semite' except supporters of the racist Zionist state of Israel. The world is simply brimming over with Anti-Semitism - apparently only Zionist racists are immune from this virulent disease

author by Westerner.publication date Wed Jun 16, 2010 14:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"The only solution to end the problem of the Middle East and the world's problem is to unite the Arab and Islamic countries."

I will list off some of them:

Morocco....................dictatorship. (de facto)
Algeria.......................dictatorship. (")
Tunisia......................dictatorship.
Libya..........................dictatorship
Egypt..........................dictatorship...... (Dont even try to describe that place as democratic.)
Saudia Arabia...........dictatorship.
Syria...........................dictatorship.
Iraq ............................FALLEN dictatorship.
Iran.............................dictatorship............(Dont even try to describe that place as democratic either.)
All the ........................""****Stans" ...................mostly dictatorships.

Nobody ever hears the voice of anybody from Saudia Arabia.

"Saudi" is the dictator family who named Arabia after themselves.

Don't blame Europe or America.

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author by Americanpublication date Wed Jun 16, 2010 16:36author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The only reason the Saudis rule Saudi Arabia is because we Americans need their oil.
They have had no other resources up to now.

Except for iconic sandy empty deserts.

Sunshine will become their major resource in the near future.

It is the only country in the world which has no permanent river.

Geo-Politics have prevented us.American imperialists from going in and liberating the local people from the Saudi Sheiks who take all the oil wealth from their own people.

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