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Sunday May 06, 2007 20:12 by Noel O'Gara - THE PLANNING REFORM PARTY noelogara at iol dot ie 0906430197
How the land was stolen from the people
How the land was stolen with the planning laws by our own political masters.
THE PLANNING REFORM PARTY
The love of the land is the dearest thing to every Irish person’s heart. Our 800 year struggle for national self determination was fundamentally a struggle for the ownership and control of the land.
We actually had achieved this freedom and ownership after the troubles when the British had given up their grip on the people and on the land of the 26 county Free State. We were finally free to determine our own future with our own constitution and our own judiciary freed from the monarchy.
Then in 1963 at a time of economic stagnation bordering on national bankruptcy, while our youth were leaving the country in droves to seek work in England and America, our very own home grown politicians stole the lands of the Free State back from the farmers and landowners when they brought the planning laws on to the statute books. These laws effectively consigned the land owner to the role of a herdsman or crop grower and to being only a nominal owner or caretaker of the land. There was no referendum to the people.
If a land owner wished to build a house or do any business on his own land he would have to get permission first and that is costly and not easy to achieve as many an innocent person found out to his dismay.
A person who cannot build on his or her own land does not own the land.
Our own politicians stole the most valuable element of the land from the Irish people and vested it in the hands of a faceless bureaucracy who now exert absolute and total control over all land use.
These planning laws were unconstitutional in 1963 and were a recipe for bribery and corruption that the tribunals are revealing. They are equally unconstitutional today and, as a citizen of the Irish Republic I assert the constitutional right of every Irishman or woman to do what they wish on their own land without having to ask for permission from bureaucrats, politicians or planners and pay them huge fees for this.
This right was gained for us by generations of patriots who sacrificed everything, even their lives, for us.
We do need a code of planning guidelines drawn up for developers, that would ensure that a development didn’t injure or obstruct other people. Guidelines such as no building closer than, say 25 yards from the centre of any road, railway, canal or river. No polluting of the waterways etc. Guidelines should be on commonsense matters.
It was not only the landowners who were mugged by the planning laws but the young landless Irish person who dreams of building a home for his/her own family.
You, whose forefathers sacrificed their liberty for the freedom of their children have been denied the liberty to buy a small piece of this supposedly Free State’s land and develop your own dream home in a location of your choosing by draconian legislation of our own politicians’ making.
Without planning laws, you could buy a small farm or an acre of land in a beautiful scenic spot of your choosing for small money and build any house you wished and do so at a fraction of the price rather than being funneled into zoned jerry built houses with paper thin walls and no view of the beautiful landscapes that are reserved for the birds by the planners. There you are saddled with a mortgage on your back for your lifetime when you could have bought an acre of land for 10 to 20 thousand Euros. God made a lot of land in Ireland for the Irish people but the planners have zoned tiny portions of it to suit their purpose and to confine and control the people. Planning controls and zoning have enriched the few well connected at the expense of the many and corrupted officialdom in the process. Now those chickens are coming home to roost in the tribunals and the courts.
A vote for the Planning Reform Party is a vote for freedom,
Whether you are a Fianna Fail or a Fine Gael loyal supporter, please face up to the fact that these once great parties have lost their way because of the planning and need to get back on track. If you can’t give Noel O’Gara your number 1 vote, than give him your number 2 because he is committed to freedom and justice for all.
Freedom to the land owners means freedom to the entrepreneurs who will identify the opportunity, buy the land and create developments that will provide the necessary services for all the people. Hospitals and all kinds of medical services will be developed by business people to cater for that market once freed from interference.
Would you prefer Mary Harney do it? Just as Mary O’Rourke put a tax on your talk and sold off your future for her political pension. Freedom from bureaucracy and red tape is the aim of the Planning Reform Party.
A vote for O’Gara will get the bureaucrats off your back
If you live in a city or town and in your own home if you wish to turn your front room into an office or a shop, or turn your basement into an apartment or use your front garden as a car park why can’t you do that? Where has your freedom gone to? Why pay huge fees to get permission from planners? We will restore your stolen rights.
Before 1963 Irish towns and cities were developed by land owners and builders without planning permission laws. The market dictated what was needed and builders and developers met that demand.
They built towns and cities with infrastructure and character while today’s planners have built monstrosities and are desperate to preserve that legacy of the past because they cannot compete with it.
The planners have a legacy of incompetence. They built Ballymun and many more white elephants and planned all the unfinished estates up and down the country. Quality of life was not an issue to them.
The planners crammed anti social people into their own estates and destroyed the quality of life of the majority decent people who have to bring up their families in fear.
Those people could have found rented houses in small private estates all over the place if there was no zoning.
Do not be deluded by cries of ‘what about the common good’ to justify these controls. That was the catch cry of the communist party in Russia. Our political masters have already shunted this Republic a long way down that road to instability and they have distorted the property market so much so that nobody knows the value of anything anymore. The planners have polluted the water in Galway and perhaps the whole country, they have failed to provide proper roads and car parking, they pump sewage into the seas and spread it on the land at night.
Our essential services are run by unaccountable bureaucrats rather than smart business people This is the bureaucratic nightmare that the planning laws have imposed on this Republic which could have been a model for the whole of Europe and this party is committed to reforming them as outlined.
Vote for the Planning Reform Party
Restore Ireland from bureaucracy to democracy
Address Ballinahowen Court, Athlone, Co Westmeath. 0906430107 email firstname.lastname@example.org
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Noel OGara I thought he is brilliant. man to stand up tfor his rights and protect his family etc. . Fair play to him. If we have a few more of those Noel O'Garas around the country we would do okayl.
Is this election saga today for real I wonder.? I S/Feinn and Independents are not getting a look in. Fine Gael and Rabitt seem to be already running the show. Any comments I'd love to hear. (no voting at weekends makes me suspecious) Let'sknow Is there something funny about it Thanking you all
Yes indeed the election was called for a Thursday to pervert our democracy or whats left of it.
Bertie didnt want students to vote because they are a threat to his tired policies and he has prevented thousands of commuters who work in the city and will not have the time to go to the polling booths.
He should have looked at the French Republic for a little guidance in Republican democracy. They had their election on Sunday and got a record turnout over 80 per cent. Bertie clearly favours the low turnout. I wonder what he is afraid of?
But his deception may backfire on him if enough of our people waken up to reality.
I assume from above you are running for election?
If so, I really hope you get elected.
I hope others who can think for themselves will join in with you, and hopefully get elected as well.
It's well time now for the "brain-dead" followers of their corrupt leaders to be put out, and kept out, of Dail Eireann (in my view).
I am running in the Midlands constituencies of Laoise Offaly, Roscommon and Longford Westmeath and in one Dublin constituency in which is located my land known as Dartmouth Square. That should be interesting and I hope the residents will exercise their vote for me and at least give me their number 2.
Dubliners are as much a victim of the planners as the country land owners and farmers as every Dub will tell you.
The Irish republic has been stolen from us by our own political masters and I want to help to waken people up to what has happened.
You are right when you say they are asleep and look at what has happened while they slept.
Now our freedoms are gone and we have to ask for permission from corrupt officials to build on our own land.
We cant even own a dog anymore not to mention try our hand at a bit of fishing without a licence today.
Is that what the 800 years of wars and strife was all about?
We had as much if not more freedom under the British administration.
Today we are a nation of servants to the state.
I agree with much of what you say Noel.
It isn't right that the state has taken over from the landlords in ownership of the land.
However you are advocating something close to a free-for-all in the way we should use our land.
This country is much too small for that.
Perhaps you can tell us more about your policies on building, water & sewerage services,
How on earth can you run in all those constituancies? Surely legally you must choose only one?
Q. 1. Noel Do you support other Independents around the country (not the ones who are still linked to the main parties) Can you name some of them in the West who you would support and agree with?
Hope you get it. Our land is our prideand joy. AIreland is a agriculture country too.. Good luck,
Appreciate if you will answer this for me. Thanks
We dont need laws that place effective ownership in the planners and the corruption this brings in its wake.
We need guidelines only such as no development on road corners close to railway lines canals etc.
Why should you not build in your own back yard if you have the space and you need a new building or you wish to sell the site of your yard?
I cant see any reason why one cant do it unless you go up high and block the light of the neighbours. In that case you should only have to get the neighbours consent and that should be sufficient. If no consent is coming then keep to the single storey level and nobody can be discomoded.
If the building is say twenty yards or more back down the yard from the house then you could go up two storeys or even three.
With freedom like this it would eliminate a lot of frustration and lets face it if you dont have parking space you would not open a restaurant in your back yard. The market would determine the choices you would consider.
Why should you not turn your home into an office or a shop if you want to and if the market is there?
Why should you not park your car in your own garden?
There are neighbours from Hell always whether the owners are free or the planners rule the roost.
I dont know any other independants I'm afraid. As you probably know I have been in the news about my land in Dublin and I just thought the election was a way to highlight what I am at loggerheads with the bureaucrats for.
There was no referendum for the planning laws which destroy our constituitional rights so in a way my challenge will be a referendum if it gets the public ear and the media give my side of the story.
If anybody thinks I am doing the right thing I would appreciate if they could print out my original post on this thread and hand it out to their friends and ask them to vote for me or email me and I will send you a printers copy.
I dont wish to be in politics but I do want to be free and they have taken most of our freedom away and turned us into dependants who need their mammy's permission for everything we wish to do.
Our republic is a faded dream of the past because of these planning laws.
anks for the feedback. I understand where you are coming from.
Can I just say how incredibly lucky you are to have a whole lot of ground rent in D6,
a Park In Dartmouth Square and a community in hostage.
O why then is indymedia necessary to your life?
I think that a bit of historical reading on enclosures and ownership of common
land might be in order- the period is fascinating.
of course reducing arguments to the old chestnuts (forgive the pun) of
socialism versus right-wing dominance and inequality needs a whole
website of its own. its easy enough to start one off.
Common land is at a premium in the Capital. Mr O Gara.
why don't you build a fecking playground and let the kids of dublin enjoy their childhood
instead of terrorising and bullying their parents with your 'surprises'
I read the article on the ground rent in Dartmouth Square.
Three residents of Kenilworth have had their auctions stopped in recent years
over freehold/groundrent issues for which the sales have been held up at a
loss and the only one benefitting has been the owner of that land ????
There is quite a dossier on the D6 area being built up by residents of combined
You are quite wrong in suggesting I stop children playing. That is a whinge and you know it. Those children you talk of have their own gardens and other parks and I dont take my dog to them to keep my flat clean.
Dartmouth square was private land for a hundred years or more and has only been a public park for 17 years.
That was done by the city council against the written protests of the owners and still the council ignored the warnings.
Its all very well for the council to take another persons land and make a park out ot it and then bad mouth the owner when he looks for his rights by taking him to court as a criminal.
They had twenty years to buy it from the man who sold it to me and they bitched about deeds of 1890 and other such peripheral and irrelevant details and thats why they wouldnt give the man his money.
When I heard of his dillemma I asked him if he would sell it to me and he did.
I happen to be a victim of their oppressive laws and they closed down my business 5 years ago and I havent the prospect of a penny compensation since. In the meantime prices have escalated and my compensation was fixed five years ago but will I ever see it?
If you owned the square, would you give it as a gift to the residents who dont want to buy it but want the corporation to acquire it for them and that means maintaining it as a manicured garden for their benefit with public money.
The city council are bureaucrats and we have put incompetant people in charge of our affairs.
They have the virtual ownership of all the land because they control the use of it.
George Redmond was their chief planner for many years.
Do you think he ever gave permission to any builder without getting a bribe?
Why would he when he realised he was sitting on a cash cow?
The planning laws have corrupted officialdom at the expense of the public who have to live in the Ballymuns of Dublin.
So dont feel so sad for the rich residents of Dartmouth square because there are many poor people in Dublin who are lliving in terrible conditions because of the planners who run this country like the Russian politburo, prior to Gorbachev.
When the landowners get their constitutional rights back housing will be developed by businessmen to meet the market demand and the public will have choice which is not available now.
Remember that Dartmouth square was built prior to the planning laws and Dublin also. What has been built since they were installed is jerry built, mickey mouse sized flats of uniform appearance and housing estates devoid of infrastructure and facilities.
Irish towns and villages were built by land owners pre planning laws and thats why its such a beautiful country.
The developments of recent times are banal, concrete, ugly and lacking in access, parking and charm.
There is no substitute for individual flair and innovation and if you prefer the bureaucratic planner than the natural genius you can have it mate. You are in a minority in the Irish republic.
I would turn it into social housing. You could make a small portion of it a playground, and then the rest of it you could easily build some 3 or 4 storey units, perhaps like the ones on Bride St/Golden Lane (very nice architecture). That way you'd be doing the poorer citizens of the city a big favour. You should be able to build up to 3 storeys as well as most of the houses in the area are that size. It should definitely be social housing rather than shared ownership or affordable as there has not been social housing built in that part of the city for years, and its unlikely another chance for that to happen will come up.
Dub. City Council would have a hard time refusing permission for social housing.
Actually thats nonsense, of course they'd refuse it.
Not a personal piggybank.
Many communities use it- and not just the residents.
Do you want the list?
1. Royal Victoria Hospital patients.
2.Kids from the flats.
3.Kids from the houses.
5.Couples.(gay and straight and possibly threesomes)
6.Not the residents. Not an individual.
7.The people of Dublin.
Now where and how it slipped into private hands is a whole other story.
And who Mr O Gara fronts for is another story. There is a lot of information
gathering going on. It is not a private playground for the well-heeled of the
To reduce an argument to the issue of just the residents- who have been threatened by Mister O Gara
is a piece of spin worthy of the lobbyists- and completely transparent.
Benefit the people of Dublin and endow the fucking square. :-)
Social housing is impossible with the lack of access and parking, Its closed out on two sides and
faces the canal. Will mr O Gara institute a bit of planning to transcend the logisitical problems?
2002 - Housing Bill (miscellaneous Provisions) , commonly known as
the trespass law is what mitigates against:
Community struggle (Rossport/Pallaskennry)
Mr O Gara can weep into his pint or his well expensive shoes.
I fail to see how wanting to build for profit on Urban green spaces can
positively effect anyonhe, except maybe himself, his backers and the brown envelope
One man's freedom (all his) is a community oppression.
Mr O Gara asserts his right to cash and wealth above the right of the community
to green spaces.
You say above that you plan to run in the constituency that "your" park resides, Dublin South East. I look forward to meeting you during your election campaign and hope you canvass in my area. When you do, I will let you know what pain and anguish you have placed on the residents of the constituency and let you know that I would prefer to vote for Joseph Stalin than have you elected TD for Dublin South East.
Mr. Gara is putting the facts on the table. The name of the game ior what the cool word is "MONEY".We cannot survive without. I admire anyone whogoes out there and work and build up an empire. It takes courage. and one has to be admired for that.t.
I wonder how much is ONE of the main stream posters costs,Can anyone give us a idea. The placce is full of them.
The land isn't zoned for development of any kind.
I make it my business never to argue with a fool or a drunk.
However, I would just like to point out to readers a few of the many inaccuracies in Noel O'Gara's post.
The Burlington Hotel is not an amenity for the area. In fact, it has no involvement whatsoever with the local community. I suggest bias in Mr O'Gara's opinions due to the fact that he received a free lunch when he married his Thai wife there. (source: Irish Times 31/03/2007)
Nobody disputes the ineptitude of Dublin City Council in dealing with the title of the square pre-2005, and their incompetence has never been "laid at his door".
However, the reluctance of DCC to purchase the interest the Darley Estate possessed was obviously due to the incomplete nature of the title being offered, and hence highlights the incomplete nature of the title Mr O'Gara now possesses.
Mr. O'Gara's insistence that the land is valued in a similar manner to the Burlington or Jurys site is incorrect. Dartmouth Square is currently, and will always be, zoned as open space. Therefore, its value is incomparable to the hotel sites, which are zoned as development land. If Mr O'Gara is looking for an accurate market value of Dartmouth Square, he should look to the price paid by property developer Johnny Ronan, who purchased nearby Fitzwilliam Square in late 2006. One may assume that Mr. O'Gara would not be as happy with that valuation of his property, as it is likely to be a fraction of the 120 million he wishes to extort from DCC. It is however unquestionably an appropriate indication of the negligible economic value of Dartmouth Square.
Hi Noel. I wholeheartedly agree with your manifesto as it endevours the return of the Land to the People.
I will take you up on the offer to purchase an acre of Land from you in Meath for less than €4000. I will then drill my well,install wind/solar energy systems ,install a small dwelling and live mortgage free.
The S.I.B paves the way for the GM crops.
but let us not bother with his diversionary tactics which represent a microcosm
of what is wrong with this blessed land.
How funny that the idiot believes in his inalienable rights above the wealth and health of
a community with a finite resource.
This translated in macrocosm is what pushes the Iraq and eco-disaster agenda.
yes- O Gara insist on your rights. we will help you destroy our lovely parks
for our own gain!!!
no bother- now where do you keep the brown envelopes. (?)
Did Iread above that O'gara is competing against McDowel, or was it Hearne (iv got myself confussted now reading all the funny and not so funny comments.) IAnyway, If it's Ogara and McDowell I would confidently say O'Gara will win. He has come out and spoke his mind, ,told us how it is, kfept his2 eyes on the ball and could invisage a good investment. Now isn't that something we should admire him for. He obviously is a keen & steady businessman, No harm to let him at it. If I was fortunatel enough to have some lolly to start up a business, who would iI go to for advise? Think about it. !!! Which of them? and tellthe truth!!!!
you would be better off voting for labour, as they have a comprehensive education policy. judging by your literacy level, you will need to avail of it.
dear god , man!
This is a city that needs park for its children.
beneficial devlopment is as i stated before beneficial to those pockets that hide your hands
and balance books. are you not capable of seeing that it is people like you who own the
gombeens in our government who are bringing destruction to our environment.
an underground carpark and health centre is a way of making cash. cold cash.
the houses which you keep referring to are a small part of a large argument
that you choose to ignore.
This park belongs to the people of dublin.
it is not your money bank.
you show yuouself as an uneducated and selfish man, who thinks that you can take
or claw with one hand what you believe to be yours and give it back at profit.
There is a lack of generoisity in your spirit that is truly baffling.
I do not own the books I collect , nor would I sell them for profit. They are a
means for future generations to understand the world and a gift.
Endow the park- get over the residents and your profiteering. they do not own the
square , they happen to live beside it.
give the kids a place. afterall when you have tried to squeeze every profit you can from it
it will only pay for maybe you ill health or dotage- would it not be better to have
a beautiful park to sit in to watch the pretty girls than a shambolic piece of
concrete to regard a degraded human environment.
SAVE OUR GREEN SPACES- you utter twit!
Thank you for your nice comments. You' have helped me decide who to vote for. Many thanksG. G.
just by repeating your ire at the residents of Dartmouth will not
change the fact that they just happen to live beside a green space.
They do not own it.
But they know its value to the people of Dublin.
The people of Dublin own Dartmouth Square.
The like the residents of Erris and Tara know that natural
beauty is a finite resource, and are more than likely willing to
fight for stewardship- not ownership.
Mr O Gara , you have a piece of paper to which you are not entitle until
you learn the meaning of responsibility. stewardship. Finite + resource.
I suggest you take a class!
If you are so much in love with the park why not get the residents to club together and buy it from me?
Your houses are worth almost 4 million each so the park would enhance their value greatly.
The houses on Leeson park and surrounding areas can command values of up to 6 million.
Some houses are rented out for about 2,000 euros per week each. How about that for an extortionate rent?
Make me a realistic offer and I will consider it.
I have asked a few residents this before but no response came so now I put it in writing.
If you buy my two acres then you can have exclusive use of it.
are not what ordinary people like do!
its not about money- its about conservation for future generations.
maybe psychiatric care would help loose the old understanding
Mr O Gara. People care about the future not your money.
They happen to live beside the park- they do not claim
Green dots are incredibily important on our maps.
They provide a useful contrast to the hatchery of grey, red, blue lines that denote
the lack of breathing and living spaces for the ordinary population of a city
that is badly planned, sprawling, subject to the corruption of the PPP.
Where profit corners living space and there are few community areas available to people.
one tiny bit of honesty is necessary, Mr O Gara and that it this:-
The residents happen to live by the park. It is not owned by them, nor is it
a place that they can claim and lock with a key. It is owned and used by
the people of Dublin ( I gave you the list earlier). If the residents attempted
to cordon off the park to ameliorate their property values, they would too
have it pointed out to them that this space is somewhere which generations
of Dubliners have used for walking, talking, eating, necking and recovering
from illness in.
If you must challenge planning, the best place to start is the Housing Bill
(Miscellaneous Provisions) 2002- where a government deep in corruption
mitigated against the traveller and community to ensure fast-track planning
on behalf of share-holders in corporate interests would have that land
for toxic waste- GM- PPP developments.
They have attacked our indigenous cultures and sense of community to
profit the so rich that find their nourishment in the coke fuelled, fake tanned
stupidly diluted social butterfly life- so elegantly ignored in the opus
of MS Ahern and her darling father an Taoiseach.
Good on on you noel , its about time that someone stood up and highlighted the failures which have taken place with in our planning laws.I am fully supportive of you in your quest for justice, its a crying shame that some official with in dcc did not do his / her job,resulting in this getting out of hand and you getting it in the neck.
Getting back to the park , the land belongs to you ,so why not start to up the ante by bringing in some contractors to cut down some of the trees and remove some of the shrubs,this action will surly bring dcc to attention and maybe move it along in the direction whch suits you.
I would agree with you. Noel O'Gara does own Darthmouth Sq., He did buy it , nothing is more simpler.
The real issue , is that the People's Land and Property , it could be any one of us next , is robbed by the Legal mafia through concocted Deeds and C.P.O.s by Councils for private developers around the entire Counrty. There is a large meeting on the issue this Friday at the Talbot Hotel Wexford. Many of the gangsters will be named , so do come along if any one out there has been robber over the years.
Even the People who have paid large sums for their Homes can be robber through C.P.O.s AND THEY DO NOT REALISE IT .
This is the issue that Noel O.Gara is on about. The Planning Laws are unconstitutional - period , they need to changed or abolished and replaced.
No one is safe from their Homes being robbed by the legal mafia in the Councils, anywhere.
It will be worth while for anyone to attend this meeting. They might learn something about how this Country REALLY operates.
It has come to our notice ,that certain members on the Bench are granting orders for People to vacate their Property to pave way for developements.
All will be unveiled in good time.
Personal wealth and greed is not the way to go- its hardly altruistic.
Noel o gara has menaced , [on this arena and by mail the people of Dartmouth Square
and the people of dublin], through his seeking of profit and devopment on a green space.
if you are serious about educating, two things;-
1. drop noel o gara ( he like others with pretensions to political power have alone their own
interests at heart)
2. I heard deaf and dumb silence in relation to SIB, housing (miscellaneous Provisions)
2002 from yer lot, suggest that instead of hanging an issue on the obviously deranged
mr o gara that you read and disseminate the legislation and get good legal advice.
vehicles for change fronted by sophists and the greedy are doomed to be covered in manure
and bad feeling.