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Who owns a frozen embryo?

category national | rights, freedoms and repression | other press author Wednesday July 05, 2006 01:40author by iosaf Report this post to the editors

Come out of the cold, The Right to Life calls you !

A 41 year old woman began a case in the High Court of Ireland yesterday, represented by Gerard Hogan SC to have 3 of her embryos released from the freezer of a fertility clinic in Rathgar Dublin. Or.... 3 embryos made for her by a clinic out of her eggs and her estranged husband's sperm.

Her case hinges on her belief and the Irish Courts interpretation of the Irish Constitution's relevant clauses and amendments - that each of the 3 frozen embryos has a "right to life".
do they have a right to life?
do they have a right to life?

The fertility clinic in question "SIMS" was establised in 1997 by two brothers Dr Antrhony Walsh and Dr David Walsh. They head a team of 10 people of whom 7 are medical staff & the others are financial. They have enjoyed steadily increasing rates of success as their website testifies : http://www.sims.ie/home/statistics.asp
& as their rates of success increase their need to freeze so many embryos decreases. The woman facing the High Court, whom we will call "Mrs Egg" decided to undergo IVF treatment in the winter of 2001 to 2002, after losing 66% of one of her ovaries. 6 embryos were "produced" by the Clinic and then at the age of 37 she gave birth to a baby daughter in October of 2002. That indicates a then failure rate of two out of three on behalf of the SIMS clinic which has now reduced to 61%. At which point she and her then husband signed a standard agreement with the clinic to keep the remaining 3 embryos in cold storage for future potential use (meaning having another go).

Mrs "Egg" and her husband (whom we will call "Mr Sperm") seperated shortly afterwards, on pretty usual grounds ; Mrs Egg discovered Mr Sperm had had an affair. Mrs Egg claims Mr Sperm then wanted the remaining 3 embryos destroyed. We may presume he thought they were joint property of the civil union & marriage . But Mrs Egg disagreed...,

Mrs Egg is now in the high court pushing Aquinine fertility ethics and the Irish constitution the limits ( which is why I'm interested. you get near breaking the Irish constitution - I'm riveted with fascination.) Her counsel Gerard Hogan SC is implicitely reported by RTE by attributing to Mrs Egg this statement :- "the brothers and sisters of their existing children, and the right place for them was back inside their mother."

Really really quite fascinating stuff.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0704/embryo.html
http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0703/embryo.html

updates with hopefully reader opinions in the comments.

I am personally of the opinion that the good Drs Walsh & their team of 7 medical staff and 3 financial staff made the embryos & if anyone ought have the babies it ought be the SIMS clinic. I am also keen to see how Pope Paul VI's vitae humanae the bedrock of catholic prohibition of IVF and yet simultanously the bedrock of "the right to life" fair in the High Court...................hmmmmmmmm....................... this will end up in the Supreme Court.

do they have a right to life?
do they have a right to life?

here we have a embryo. Put that in a freezer - who pays the rent & owns it?
here we have a embryo. Put that in a freezer - who pays the rent & owns it?

 #   Title   Author   Date 
   Yippee The High Court does "rights".     iosaf    Wed Jul 05, 2006 16:11 
   pushing the envelope.     iosaf    Wed Jul 05, 2006 18:07 
   Is it     Red Inc    Wed Jul 05, 2006 19:48 
   red inc     pat c    Wed Jul 05, 2006 20:47 
   As a girl     Chris Murray    Wed Jul 05, 2006 21:19 
   who owns the embyos     Gerri    Wed Jul 05, 2006 23:13 
   ok lets add another element....     :-)    Wed Jul 05, 2006 23:38 
   UK health ministry confirms 15 Irish women go to UK a day to abort. so a suggestion............     opportunist    Thu Jul 06, 2006 02:15 
   What if you Nationalised the Womb?     redjade    Thu Jul 06, 2006 03:01 
 10   Question     thicko    Thu Jul 06, 2006 09:32 
 11   Mr egg and Ms sperm     Chris Murray    Thu Jul 06, 2006 16:55 
 12   Dazed and confused     Gerri    Fri Jul 07, 2006 01:14 
 13   keep those thoughts coming ! Write your opinion !     -    Fri Jul 07, 2006 02:54 
 14   Frozen embryos     albatros    Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:33 
 15   Titter.     Chris Murray    Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:28 
 16   a note for the kathurlick science workers amongst us on the embryos.     noteworthy    Sat Jul 08, 2006 03:09 
 17   Got a phone message this morning that the High court had found "in favour" of Mr Sperm.     iosaf    Tue Jul 18, 2006 16:58 
 18   Appeal (apparently)     Chris Murray    Tue Jul 18, 2006 17:28 
 19   chris     pat c    Tue Jul 18, 2006 17:36 
 20   The Unmanageables     chris murray    Tue Jul 18, 2006 17:40 
 21   chris     pat c    Tue Jul 18, 2006 17:53 
 22   Preferably Unfertilised.     Scrambled eggs    Tue Jul 18, 2006 20:29 
 23   Frozen Embryos     Buddy    Thu Jul 20, 2006 14:39 
 24   buddy     pat c    Thu Jul 20, 2006 14:49 
 25   Taking up on one of Iosaf's points.....     Chris Murray    Thu Jul 20, 2006 22:24 
 26   Of Vaginal Balloons and 'Children's Graveyards'.     Chris Murray    Fri Jul 21, 2006 15:53 
 27   Today's Judgement has pissed off the moral majority..     C Murray    Wed Nov 15, 2006 18:22 
 28   legislation during current Government     C Murray    Thu Nov 16, 2006 15:16 
 29   Right to Life from frozen     Paul O'Donnell    Thu Nov 16, 2006 15:37 
 30   actually     Bird's eye.    Thu Nov 16, 2006 16:26 
 31   The Supreme Court has ruled on property without mentioning owner. thirrrrling stuff.     iosaf mac diarmada    Tue Dec 15, 2009 16:33 


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