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Fellatio and section 5

category national | rights, freedoms and repression | news report author Friday June 02, 2006 14:38author by chris murray - the unmanageables Report this post to the editors

Mc Dowell opens a vein and plants a bomb .

Debate on Criminal Law(sexual offences ) Bill 2006.

Democracy -Lite. Three opposition parties welcomed Mc Dowell's Bill, with reservations. Enda didn't broach the subject of resignation, but told Michael that "he Knew what he should do".....
Section 5 is an absurdity, according to Labour as it is not gender neutral and is open to constituional challenge by young men, not to mention the ever increasing discussion on sexual positions that peppered the chamber, that led to the departure of the rather more faint-hearted TDs, including most of the Front Bench.

Harney was first to leave. Woods, last to arrive, he'd been sitting ten minutes when he took the Ceann Comhairle's chair.
The farce deepened from here on in, with Woods of the Church State indemnity debacle chairing a debate wherein Mc Dowell was slapped and clapped but ultimately acceeded to. However the ten deputies who had called for his resignation were to speak next, to an almost empty house. The deputies will return to vote , as they do.
Back to the fellatio and section 5. It is not unlawful for a young girl to have full penetrative sex, under section 5. But it is unlawful for her to engage in sexual acts, such as fellatio
(with someone of the same age range). Other things discussed were how the two consenting kids can easily break the law if things get out of hand. Howlin stated that a boy can get 5 years in the Joy for unlawful sex with a minor. The green Party support the act with amendments but want a "Romeo and Juliet clause" and a "sunset clause". They will allow the legislation to pass , with amendments. Sweet!

a Sunset Clause means a revisit of the statute in two years.

Labour quite rightly pointed out that there is no distinction made between paedophilia and victim, as opposed to kids messing around. Mc Dowell therefore attempts to define the morality of a generation, along with his penchant for data retention , press council and other interfering measures, this has to take the biscuit.Labour also claims that a section of the
Incest act 1908, involving Gross indecency will be repealed
but this was refuted by Mr Mc Dowell.

Section 5 Criminalises boys not girls and is open to constitutional challenge as well as European challenge.
Green , labour and Fine Gael have decided not to obstruct it's passage thru the Oireachtas, once amendments are made.
The Ombudsman for children( in a Letter asked for the
dropping of section 5)
*Criminalising girls for sex acts other than penetrative sex.
*Criminalising young men in under-age consensual sex.

Mc Dowell rides out of the Dail on the back of his largely unopposed legislation. (YeeHaw).
Next week, maybe the issue of no confidence.......

A large crowd of barricaded women carryibg white flowers were converging on the Dail at 12.30pm.

 #   Title   Author   Date 
   Green Position     Jerry Cornelius    Fri Jun 02, 2006 15:44 
   Opposition Parties did not make their opposition to the Bill clear.     C Murray    Fri Jun 02, 2006 16:02 
   -     salicious    Fri Jun 02, 2006 16:32 
   More interesting...     blah    Fri Jun 02, 2006 16:46 
   Counterpoint     Seán Ryan    Fri Jun 02, 2006 18:28 
   Abolish Age of Consent     Protester    Fri Jun 02, 2006 20:17 
   Have a look     legislation    Fri Jun 02, 2006 20:48 
   They are     chris Murray    Fri Jun 02, 2006 22:00 
   Give McDowell his p45     Seán Ryan    Fri Jun 02, 2006 22:37 
 10   F.U.C.K (our governent's new policy)     Seán Ryan    Sat Jun 03, 2006 02:37 
 11   Abolishing Age of Consent     Protestor    Tue Jun 06, 2006 19:46 
 12   two separate things     chris murray    Tue Jun 06, 2006 20:36 
 13   Age of Consent     Protestor    Wed Jun 07, 2006 09:45 
 14   dear protestor,     chris murray    Wed Jun 07, 2006 17:12 
 15   Liberals?     chris murray    Wed Jun 07, 2006 17:16 
 16   An illness?     Pat    Wed Jun 14, 2006 13:30 
 17   Three Weeks later.......     Chris Murray    Sun Jun 25, 2006 20:58 
 18   The sub-committee Has been formed.....     Chris Murray    Fri Jul 07, 2006 22:21 
 19   Ah but they were there....     chris murray    Sat Jul 08, 2006 21:26 
 20   Bertie Says....     Chris Murray    Mon Jul 10, 2006 21:33 
 21   Reply to Pat     The Cat    Tue Jul 11, 2006 07:29 
 22   pedophilia - a mental illness?     Pat    Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:05 
 23   Short title     The Cat    Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:20 
 24   paedophilia     pat    Tue Jul 11, 2006 13:14 
 25   The darkness.     The Cat    Tue Jul 11, 2006 13:18 
 26   Back to the Point (*feline friend)     Chris Murray    Tue Jul 11, 2006 13:36 
 27   paedophilia     Pat    Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:21 
 28   as we know....     C Murray    Mon Dec 11, 2006 14:35 
 29   Irish Times frontpage     C Murray    Wed Jan 16, 2008 09:50 
 30   it is three years since a committee was formed to look at child protection     UD    Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:25 
 31   Children. A Referendum or what do you think     Michelle Clarke    Wed Sep 16, 2009 18:27 
 32   A Q of timing     UD    Wed Sep 16, 2009 19:20 


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