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Jimmy Kelly, former Socialist Party Member

category national | rights, freedoms and repression | news report author Tuesday December 20, 2005 00:44author by John Meehan Report this post to the editors

Jimmy Kelly was a founding member of the Irish Militant, organisational forerunner of today’s Socialist Party, 32 years ago. His party card number was one.

Jimmy Kelly, former Socialist Party Member

Jimmy Kelly was a founding member of the Irish Militant, organisational forerunner of today’s Socialist Party, 32 years ago. His party card number was one.

Recently he received a letter from the Party Headquarters saying he no longer met the criteria for membership. Technically his membership lapsed because his dues payments war not up to date, and he had not attended meetings.

I spoke directly with Jimmy about this.

He says that political disagreements about the Trade Union Activists’ Forum –

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were a factor leading to a worsening of relations between him and the party leadership.

He also disagreed with the approach taken by the Socialist Party leadership towards another former member, John Throne.

If he wishes, Jimmy can add further details to the above.

My personal opinion, having heard his side of the story, is that the sequence of events he describes is best summarised as akin to the industrial relations concept of “constructive dismissal” – that is, life is made so uncomfortable within the organisation that the individual feels the only alternative s/he really has is: to leave. It is not an expulsion, in the literal sense, but it is a very close cousin.

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 #   Title   Author   Date 
 1   Meehan     Constructive dismissal    Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:08 
 2   No not this time - no DC here!     Davy Carlin    Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:23 
 3   Dear John     Mark P    Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:27 
 4   hmmmmm     Davy Carlin    Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:02 
 5   Don't do it Albert!     Deja Vu    Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:40 
 6   Well done deja vu     Yezhev    Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:51 
 7   Jimmy     A    Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:52 
 8   Just to briefly add to Mark's comments     SP member    Tue Dec 20, 2005 13:13 
 9   SP member     Davy Carlin    Tue Dec 20, 2005 13:27 
 10   Not just a river...     De Nile.    Tue Dec 20, 2005 13:36 
 11   Clarification for Davy     Mark P    Tue Dec 20, 2005 13:45 
 12   No denial     Stephen Boyd    Tue Dec 20, 2005 13:52 
 13   What's the point...     SP member    Tue Dec 20, 2005 13:53 
 14   sp member     pat c    Tue Dec 20, 2005 13:59 
 15   pat c - wake up and smell the coffee     Yezhev    Tue Dec 20, 2005 14:03 
 16   yezhev     pat c    Tue Dec 20, 2005 14:06 
 17   Oh Pat     Yezhev    Tue Dec 20, 2005 14:09 
 18   Jaysus     Old Lag    Tue Dec 20, 2005 14:11 
 19   Dear oh dear     Davy carlin    Tue Dec 20, 2005 14:44 
 20   Editorial Clarification     Chekov    Tue Dec 20, 2005 15:07 
 21   Just a brief comment to Davy...     SP member    Tue Dec 20, 2005 15:28 
 22   Any relevent Lenin quotes?     Kollontai    Tue Dec 20, 2005 15:32 
 23   Kollontai     Curious    Tue Dec 20, 2005 15:36 
 24   Time will tell - Final one therefore     Davy Carlin    Tue Dec 20, 2005 15:53 
 25   Ahhhh     Kollontoi    Tue Dec 20, 2005 15:54 
 26   Kollontoi     Curious    Tue Dec 20, 2005 16:01 
 27   Menshevik and Stalinist     RTY    Tue Dec 20, 2005 16:07 
 28   SWP     I want the doll    Tue Dec 20, 2005 16:18 
 29   Bolshevik brigands     Kollontai    Tue Dec 20, 2005 16:32 
 30   More on Kollontai     RTY    Tue Dec 20, 2005 16:48 
 31   Naming names     Kollontoi    Tue Dec 20, 2005 16:52 
 32   Sounds like...     Dustin    Tue Dec 20, 2005 17:03 
 33   Ex-Militant     Usual Suspects    Tue Dec 20, 2005 17:17 
 34   Oops     Ex-Militant    Tue Dec 20, 2005 17:19 
 35   How the hell...     SP Member    Tue Dec 20, 2005 17:22 
 36   By jove youre right     Kollontoi    Tue Dec 20, 2005 17:30 
 37   Like wading through a sewer     Mark P    Tue Dec 20, 2005 17:45 
 38   Just avoiding the question won't help     Ex-Militant    Tue Dec 20, 2005 17:46 
 39   Avoiding what?     Mark P    Tue Dec 20, 2005 17:51 
 40   Give us a break     SP member    Tue Dec 20, 2005 18:18 
 41   Sectarian Shite?     Ex-Militant    Tue Dec 20, 2005 18:37 
 42   For the last time     SP Member    Tue Dec 20, 2005 18:49 
 43   Muck raking and the truth     Anon miss    Tue Dec 20, 2005 20:04 
 44   i joined     hs    Tue Dec 20, 2005 21:21 
 45   Sorry, could'nt resist     Kollontoi    Tue Dec 20, 2005 22:33 
 46   Reason and Unreason     John Meehan    Wed Dec 21, 2005 01:51 
 47   Kollontai     Fergal Goggin    Wed Dec 21, 2005 02:01 
 48   So     observer    Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:23 
 49   John Meehan     Stephen Boyd    Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:46 
 50   the stalinist falsification of history     Boyd critic    Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:54 
 51   Re: subs for Socialist Party     Curious    Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:05 
 52   John Meehan     pat c    Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:07 
 53   question     Barrington    Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:15 
 54   Pathetic     Anon    Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:16 
 55   Personal attacks is all they have     Anon    Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:32 
 56   much ado     Sean    Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:39 
 57   Objective Conditions     Santa Claus    Wed Dec 21, 2005 13:06 
 58   Sean's posting     Anon    Wed Dec 21, 2005 13:09 
 59   What an awful response     Mark P    Wed Dec 21, 2005 13:34 
 60   Honest     Rashers Tierney    Wed Dec 21, 2005 14:03 
 61   Comment     Svante - Workers Power Ireland (personal capacity)    Wed Dec 21, 2005 16:17 
 62   Workers' Power opportunism     anti-ultra    Wed Dec 21, 2005 19:32 
 63   eeehhh...     Mark P    Wed Dec 21, 2005 19:53 
 64   Signing Off     John Meehan    Wed Dec 21, 2005 21:00 
 65   Hi John     A very chilled Mark P    Wed Dec 21, 2005 21:05 
 66   A momentous Occassion     Badman    Wed Dec 21, 2005 22:32 
 67   Single figures?     seedot    Wed Dec 21, 2005 23:02 
 68   seedot exposed     Badman    Wed Dec 21, 2005 23:58 
 69   10 types of people     seedot    Thu Dec 22, 2005 02:42 
 70   Comrade Badman, and criticism on SP and Ferries     Svante - Workers Power Ireland (personal capacity)    Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:57 
 71   Membership     Mark H    Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:13 
 72   Fair play to you John     Ronnie    Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:30 
 73   Mark     Alan    Thu Dec 22, 2005 13:18 
 74   just a thought     Sean    Thu Dec 22, 2005 13:27 
 75   Logical     Ex-Militant    Thu Dec 22, 2005 13:56 
 76   Reply to Ex-Militant     SP Member    Thu Dec 22, 2005 14:13 
 77   Comrade Svante     Badman    Thu Dec 22, 2005 14:57 
 78   Sorry     Davy Carlin    Thu Dec 22, 2005 15:45 
 79   Sean     Mark H    Thu Dec 22, 2005 17:03 
 80   Ha Ha Ha....     Workers Power    Thu Dec 22, 2005 21:00 
 81   Echoes of debate far away......     Leyton Orient    Fri Dec 23, 2005 15:39 
 82   Badman     Svante    Fri Dec 23, 2005 16:24 
 83   Correction     Badman    Fri Dec 23, 2005 19:32 
 84   Svante....     Ha Ha Ha    Fri Dec 23, 2005 21:17 
 85   Ignorance     A. Critic    Sun Dec 25, 2005 22:07 
 86   Pheww...     Pig destroyer    Sun Dec 25, 2005 23:27 
 87   Jimmy Kelly (Ex Socialist Party Member)     Jimmy Kelly    Fri Dec 30, 2005 03:40 
 88   Hi Jimmy     Mark P    Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:20 
 89   Alright Jimmy - 33 years of membership!     Davy Carlin    Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:23 
 90   Advice for Jimmy     Sean Philips    Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:39 
 91   Well     Davy Carlin    Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:52 
 92   Advice     Sean Philips    Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:18 
 93   Interesting...     Middle Class Prince    Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:27 
 94   Private or public discussion?     former militant member    Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:28 
 95   It's advice, not a dictat     Sean Philips    Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:47 
 96   for open discussion     former militant member    Fri Dec 30, 2005 13:47 
 97   Sound as a pound     Davy Carlin    Fri Dec 30, 2005 17:48 
 98   A note to Jimmy Kelly     SP Member    Mon Jan 02, 2006 21:17 
 99   SP Member     pat c    Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:43 
 100   Credibility of the SP.     john throne    Tue Jan 03, 2006 18:05 
 101   John, pot calling kettle black     SP member    Tue Jan 03, 2006 18:49 
 102   Dissent and debate     former militant member    Tue Jan 03, 2006 19:06 
 103   Raising Issues     Dennis Tourish    Tue Jan 03, 2006 19:10 
 104   Here we go again...     SP member    Tue Jan 03, 2006 19:19 
 105   Denis back again I see...     SP Member    Tue Jan 03, 2006 19:23 
 106   Once more     dennis tourish    Tue Jan 03, 2006 19:41 
 107   clarification     crankwatch    Tue Jan 03, 2006 21:22 
 108   2006 -another year     Davy Carlin    Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:53 
 109   crankwatch or another anonymous SP member     john throne    Wed Jan 04, 2006 16:02 
 110   Correction     Svante - Workers Power (personal capacity)    Wed Jan 04, 2006 16:26 
 111   Activist engagement     Davy Carlin    Wed Jan 04, 2006 17:46 
 112   Jimmy might as well publish     another sp member    Wed Jan 04, 2006 18:19 
 113   Hmmmmm?     Davy Carlin    Wed Jan 04, 2006 18:24 
 114   svante     pat c    Wed Jan 04, 2006 19:36 
 115   the "left ghetto".     john throne    Thu Jan 05, 2006 03:55 
 116   Ax me boll***s.     pragmatic solutions    Thu Jan 05, 2006 04:54 
 117   Throne et al are in the Ghetto     Sean Philips    Thu Jan 05, 2006 13:29 
 118   Sean     pat c    Thu Jan 05, 2006 13:43 
 119   agree with Pat C     Former Militant member    Thu Jan 05, 2006 13:57 
 120   Deferred response to thread.     Jimmy Kelly    Thu Jan 12, 2006 17:41 
 121   That's a sensible approach, Jimmy     Pero    Fri Jan 13, 2006 19:59 
 122   An even more sensible approach     Anthony    Sat Jan 14, 2006 16:23 
 123   Ignore idle gossips     anti gossip    Sat Jan 14, 2006 20:57 
 124   sectarian dot com commies?     true red    Mon Jan 16, 2006 13:00 
 125   true red     pat c    Mon Jan 16, 2006 13:34 
 126   Myths     Fact checker    Mon Jan 16, 2006 14:06 
 127   fact checker     pat c    Mon Jan 16, 2006 14:11 
 128   Jimmy     Liu Shaoqi    Mon Jan 16, 2006 14:27 
 129   Jimmy     hs    Mon Jan 16, 2006 17:47 
 130   Now now hs     Liu    Mon Jan 16, 2006 18:03 
 131   Liu     hs    Mon Jan 16, 2006 18:13 
 132   Jimmy     hs    Mon Jan 16, 2006 18:20 
 133   Come now hs     Liu    Mon Jan 16, 2006 18:28 
 134   hs     pat c    Mon Jan 16, 2006 18:47 
 135   Re: Liu Shaoqi's interests...     Not the man in question...    Mon Jan 16, 2006 18:58 
 136   Drawing ridiculous overblown conclusions     Liu    Mon Jan 16, 2006 19:23 
 137   I take my hat (scarf and gloves) off to this thread     Barrington    Mon Jan 16, 2006 19:55 
 138   barrington     pat c    Mon Jan 16, 2006 20:12 
 139   pat c     hs    Tue Jan 17, 2006 00:50 
 140   ???     Curious    Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:51 
 141   hs     pat c    Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:21 


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