Dodgy USAF jet and crew at Shannon

by karen fallon - ............ Fri Sep 30, 2005 18:56

nice one tim!
almost perfect timing that you were being interviewed at the same time. pity the guards didn't check it but i guess that would be asking too much.
on the plus side the U.N. is investigating the torture jet in quite q few countries now. i guess that was pretty much due to your dedication and hard work.

by Michael Fri Sep 30, 2005 18:59

Great work Tim -- looking forward to that article in the paper (this Sunday, no?). Who were those dudes, and what were they doing getting out of an Air Force aircraft?

It could be just your run-of-the-mill aggressors passing through Ireland with the help of the Irish state, thus further implicating us in their crimes and insuring SNN a still higher place than ever on terrorist hit lists....Or it could be something worse than that.

by Joe Public Fri Sep 30, 2005 19:01

The UN wouldnt be able to wipes its own arse without permission from the US first. Iraq pretty much proves that the US control the UN and even when they dont bully the rest into submission they still do what they like without the UN stopping them.

Whats the UN going to do? Give out to the US in strong language?

by conscience Sat Oct 01, 2005 16:00

Dear Senator McCain:

I am a graduate of West Point currently serving as a Captain in the U.S. Army Infantry. I have served two combat tours with the 82nd Airborne Division, one each in Afghanistan and Iraq. While I served in the Global War on Terror, the actions and statements of my leadership led me to believe that United States policy did not require application of the Geneva Conventions in Afghanistan or Iraq. On 7 May 2004, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld's testimony that the United States followed the Geneva Conventions in Iraq and the "spirit" of the Geneva Conventions in Afghanistan prompted me to begin an approach for clarification.

For 17 months, I tried to determine what specific standards governed the treatment of detainees by consulting my chain of command through battalion commander, multiple JAG lawyers, multiple Democrat and Republican Congressmen and their aides, the Ft. Bragg Inspector General's office, multiple government reports, the Secretary of the Army and multiple general officers, a professional interrogator at Guantanamo Bay, the deputy head of the department at West Point responsible for teaching Just War Theory and Law of Land Warfare, and numerous peers who I regard as honorable and intelligent men.

Instead of resolving my concerns, the approach for clarification process leaves me deeply troubled. Despite my efforts, I have been unable to get clear, consistent answers from my leadership about what constitutes lawful and humane treatment of detainees. I am certain that this confusion contributed to a wide range of abuses including death threats, beatings, broken bones, murder, exposure to elements, extreme forced physical exertion, hostage-taking, stripping, sleep deprivation and degrading treatment. I and troops under my command witnessed some of these abuses in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

the rest of the letter:
http://www.ericumansky.com/2005/09/an_american_her.html

by Zoomlens Sat Oct 01, 2005 21:10

You can see the tail number more clearly in this cropped version

Close up of the tail section

by A10 Sat Oct 01, 2005 22:09

Would you mind PRINTING for us thickos what the REG IS???????Even your cropped image is impossible to read !!

by eeekkkkk Sat Oct 01, 2005 22:13

"only visible markings on the plane 60206"

by Mary Kelly Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:55

for keeping your eyes open recording the covert dual use of Shannon, and for maintaining this long vigil while the state turns blind eye.
The scales need to be ripped off peoples eyes re US military use of Shannon and other Irish civilian airports.


Shame on Ruairi Quinn and other politicos who feebly mention it now and then.

All power to your sharp eyes Tim!

by A10 Mon Oct 03, 2005 20:57

The number needs to be visible for a small thing called PROOF.You know that bothersome thing to make a fantasy FACT???
Second the reg does not corrospond to either a civvie or military reg.

by ella Tue Oct 04, 2005 05:25

There is a lot of intrique here. It sure is a long way from Canadas First Division which explains to the world our position ought to be scrap the war machine and its manufacturey and thus to freeing the people. Workers unite the world, not destroy it.

by Tim Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:42

I admit, that I'm new to digital cameras, and seem to have merely cropped rather than zoomed, but that can be fixed soon enough. I promise to read the manual next time...

Meanwhile, the Sunday Tribune did, in fact print an enlarged version of this photo in which the number 60206 was very clearly visible on the tail. And if you check the links to airliners.net you'll see the same number listed on an unmarked jet which the planespotters at Fairford, in Poland and in Texas all describe as US Air Force, and the zianet link shows a marked USAF jet with the number 60201, (shortened from the full reg 86-0201, just like the jet pictured above, which has a full reg 86-0206),

by Tim Wed Oct 05, 2005 22:50

Then I'm gonna punch the computer.
I cropped it and resized it, so it should be at least 260 wide.

The Tail and the Garda van

by Spotter1 Fri Nov 04, 2005 14:56

All of yeer facts are wrong. That a/c is a US governent jet. Do not get silly notions that private biz-jets arriving in Shannon are carrying people being tortured.

There is no airport by-law stating that airband scanners are illegal on airport premises. If you are that afraid use some headphones.

by spottyspoter Fri Nov 04, 2005 15:14

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/03/AR2005110301732.html
http://www.Airliners.net
http://www.Planespotters.net
http://www.JetPhotos.net
http://www.Jetspotter.com
http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2005/11/59741.html

by Insight Tue Oct 17, 2006 23:39

Spotted these planes at Jeffco Airport in Broomfield, CO, USA today - 17 Oct 2006. Three unmarked vehicles with antennae all over dropped off several "suits". Departing, one used the callsign "SAM 60206" which is the tail number, the other used "SAM 0789" - the tail number on that plane was 60403.

by Jimbob Fri Aug 29, 2008 09:16

by Spotter1

All of yeer facts are wrong.

Oh really? That should be easy to test.

That a/c is a US governent jet.

The article states that is a US military jet, belonging to the airforce and not a civilian jet. So where exactly are the facts wrong?

Do not get silly notions that private biz-jets arriving in Shannon are carrying people being tortured.

of course they wouldn't be. Teleporters are used. The torturers, and the torture victims get from A to C without ever passing through , the planes are empty and just used to claim mileage expenses.
We should of course ignore the the fact that a civilian registered jet, N379P, was witnessed by a Swedish policeman being used to abduct two men, who were then tortured in Egypt. We should also ignore the fact that this jet and others suspected of similar acts have been spotted in Shannon, by Ed Horgan, Tim Hourigan, and Conor Cregan. All that evidence, and logic stuff, it's so dull, don'cha think?

There is no airport by-law stating that airband scanners are illegal on airport premises. If you are that afraid use some headphones.

Let me point you towards,
S.I. No. 425/1994: AIRPORT BYE-LAWS, 1994.

4.1. Each of the following is hereby prohibited:
(21) monitoring air traffic control, or airport or airline operational frequencies in the State, with radio receiving or recording equipment or using television cameras or other photographic equipment the use of which in the opinion of Aer Rianta is likely to be contrary to the interests of security;

by Fred Johnston Fri Aug 29, 2008 14:55

The CIA have feet on the ground, as they say, in the Republic. That in itself isn't news. This will have been by agreement, of course, with the government of the day. It is possible that the two 'suits' being guarded by our guardians were secret service or CIA and no, we shouldn't be looking after them if all things were just, as clearly such people are not here to bring roses, but to facilitate in some way the covert workings of an imperialistic White House. I have said before that any member of the Gardaí who starts asking questions around landings at Shannon can start looking for a transfer or will get handed one smartish. The real culprits in all of this are the knee-bending, bowl-of-shamrock-totin' government of the Republic of Ireland.