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Big Brother WILL Be Watching You

category national | rights, freedoms and repression | feature author Sunday June 05, 2005 15:53author by Rory H via imcer - USIauthor email dep_president at usi dot ieauthor phone 086 1523542 Report this post to the editors

Information on ASBOs and the Criminal Justice Bill

On Saturday 11th June a Parade will take place in Dublin to protest the imminent introduction of a form of anti-social behavior order to Ireland. Rory Hearne who is involved in the campaign against the introduction of ASBOs here submitted this guide to what is at issue to Indymedia Ireland.

The controversial Anti-Social Behaviour Orders (ASBOs) and other amendments to the Criminal Justice Bill 2004 are due to go to the Cabinet for approval on June 7th and then through the Dail pretty soon afterwards.

The Irish Council for Civil Liberties (ICCL) recently highlighted why we should be concerned: “The ICCL is concerned that in the Criminal Justice Bill 2004, that there is a strong tendency to see solutions to crime in terms of increase of policing powers, creation of new offences…without the necessary evaluation of how powers are used…it is all too easy to advance “quick-fix” populist answers to crime, which lack any evidence base as to their effectiveness and in fact in time will contribute to an unjust system.”

ASBOs if introduced here could see a situation whereby normal activity becomes criminalised. Just look at some examples of ASBOS in Britain: A 13 year old was banned from using the word ‘grass’ , a 16 year old was banned from showing his tattoos, a profoundly deaf girl was served an order for spitting in public, an 87 year old was forbidden from being sarcastic to his neighbours, a football fan was banned from playing ball games in the street, a 17 year old was ordered not to enter or leave his home except by a back alley, a 21 year old was banned from wearing a woolly hat, baseball cap or hooded top, and an 18 year old was ordered not to meet with three or more other youths. He was later arrested for breaching this order because he entered a local youth club. (see www.nyci.ie)

There are several excellent programmes in Ireland which seek to deal with the underlying causes of anti-social behaviour but all are grossly underfunded and unable to achieve their potential. ASBOs, by seeking to punish and control such behaviour, will only increase the alienation of these young people and immerse them further into the criminal justice scene, for behaviour which in itself will not be criminal. It is a superficial response to a serious problem, a response which, although politically popular, is likely to make the problem worse, not better.

The Minister for Justice and the Government should tackle the root causes of Anti-social Behaviour and deal with non-criminal behaviour through non-criminalising methods. They should tackle instead the fact that communities have minimal or no play and recreational facilities for children. Forty six percent of local authorities don’t provide playgrounds. There are twice as many golf courses as playgrounds in Ireland. Ireland has one of the highest rates of child poverty in Ireland. Youth clubs are closing down because of lack of funding.

Other worrying aspects of the Criminal Justice Bill include:

1. Section 6 (1) which empowers members of the gardaí to seize anything he/she has reason to believe relates to the commission of an arrestable offence. This extension in powers, particularly its use “in public places”, could be open to abuse. For example the ICCL received several reports that in and around 1 May 2004, the Gardai were stopping individuals and confiscating items ranging from onions to spray paints for banners, and that persons were stopped and searched, sometimes repeatedly, by members of the Garda. The reports were that Garda officers either refused to name what power they were invoking. Such incidents clearly give rise to powers being used in a manner that amounts to a disproportionate interference in an individual’s liberty and property rights, and also have a direct impact on legitimate forms of freedom of _expression and assembly.

2. Section 8 amends section 4 of the Criminal Justice Act 1984 to provide for increased powers of detention for all arrestable offences from 12 hours to 24 hours.

3. Section 11(1) empowers the gardaí to photograph all persons arrested.

4. Section 29 provides that Gardaí will be entitled to issue an ‘on the spot’ fine for a Section 5 Public Order offence (disorderly conduct in a public place). This section allows Garda to be judge and jury without any safeguards for the accused provided.

These proposals if introduced would undermine the civil liberties of everyone, but particularly youth (and especially working class youth) and those who take part in public protest. It will require intense public mobilisation and protest to force the Minister for Justice to change his mind on this one. Please support this campaign. Send messages with your opposition to the Minister for Justice, the Taoiseach, the Tanaiste and Brian Lenihan Minister for Children.

For further info check out http://www.usi.ie, http://www.nyci.ie, http://www.hotpress.ie

Supported by USI, USS, Hotpress, Labour Youth, Sinn Fein, Socialist Workers Party, Green Party, Connolly Youth and more.

An infringement on civil rights is an attack on all of us. Remember the words of Pastor Martin Niemöller, a survivor of Nazi concentration camp:

First They Came for the Jews
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Saturday June 11th Protest/Parade Details

 #   Title   Author   Date 
   Fully Support ASBOs     toneore    Sat Jun 04, 2005 16:28 
   Anti-Social Behaviour Orders: Social Policy and Human Rights     eeekkkk    Sat Jun 04, 2005 18:53 
   Good idea     Al    Sat Jun 04, 2005 18:55 
   Visions of     eeekkk    Sat Jun 04, 2005 19:09 
   No tears.     Al    Sat Jun 04, 2005 19:27 
   bad asbo     self    Sat Jun 04, 2005 21:03 
   More Garda laws and powers     Barry    Sat Jun 04, 2005 22:02 
   Come on Barry     Al    Sat Jun 04, 2005 23:22 
   BB is rising in popularity.....I can almost hear the chanting     Justo    Sun Jun 05, 2005 07:58 
 10   Hope you enjoy them     Al    Sun Jun 05, 2005 15:35 
 11   If asbos make it through     asbolutely disgusted    Sun Jun 05, 2005 15:59 
 12   Al     alwatch    Sun Jun 05, 2005 16:03 
 13   Objection !     mr. pedantic    Sun Jun 05, 2005 16:49 
 14   Drugs ARE Bad...But     Justo    Sun Jun 05, 2005 20:09 
 15   come on Al     Barry    Sun Jun 05, 2005 20:31 
 16   Partitionist gardai     Rank Outsider    Sun Jun 05, 2005 21:03 
 17   Well well well     Al    Sun Jun 05, 2005 21:14 
 18   Al     neveragain    Sun Jun 05, 2005 21:28 
 19   Hey Doo Gooders     Pete    Sun Jun 05, 2005 21:32 
 20   Abuser     Do-gooder    Sun Jun 05, 2005 21:38 
 21   Lets ask a question     Al    Sun Jun 05, 2005 21:49 
 22   a cop walks down the street and says why am i soft in the middle when the rest of my life is so hard     alwatch    Sun Jun 05, 2005 21:56 
 23   Claims 'Alwatch'     Al    Sun Jun 05, 2005 22:01 
 24   What are you so very sensitive about al?     alwatch    Sun Jun 05, 2005 22:10 
 25   stalker, stalker, stalker, you crying yet?     Al    Sun Jun 05, 2005 22:14 
 26   All along along there were incidents and accidents - there were hints and allegations     alwatch    Sun Jun 05, 2005 22:22 
 27   Al , the march to Arbour hill     Barry    Mon Jun 06, 2005 03:39 
 28   questions & answers     serial poster    Mon Jun 06, 2005 07:41 
 29   correction     serial poster again    Mon Jun 06, 2005 07:48 
 30   Now hold on a second     Al    Mon Jun 06, 2005 13:43 
 31   -     -    Mon Jun 06, 2005 13:47 
 32   Lets get more technical then     Serial    Mon Jun 06, 2005 16:26 
 33   Not enough     Al    Mon Jun 06, 2005 16:49 
 34   jaysus thats me off to jail then     Barry    Mon Jun 06, 2005 17:29 
 35   no answers from Al, surprise, surprise     Serial    Mon Jun 06, 2005 18:34 
 36   Hearne has lost the plot     dozzey    Mon Jun 06, 2005 19:11 
 37   Ah     JJ    Mon Jun 06, 2005 19:59 
 38   Dozzey has lost the plot     Dozzeywatch    Mon Jun 06, 2005 20:50 
 39   No, yes, no yes and no again     Al    Tue Jun 07, 2005 19:27 
 40   Furthermore     Al    Tue Jun 07, 2005 19:29 
 41   still only confusion, not answers from Al     serial    Wed Jun 08, 2005 04:39 
 42   re Al     Barry    Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:13 
 43   Human rights watch group     -    Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:58 
 44   Some anwers     AL    Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:32 
 45   Im not a member     Barry    Thu Jun 09, 2005 00:55 
 46   I agree with Barry this time     cod    Thu Jun 09, 2005 02:52 
 47   Not fair     being pamela    Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:58 
 48   the war against youth     krossie    Thu Jun 09, 2005 13:01 
 49   I'm youthful but your stats concern me...     cod    Thu Jun 09, 2005 13:30 
 50   check it out     krossier    Thu Jun 09, 2005 13:52 
 51   clicked     cod    Thu Jun 09, 2005 14:02 
 52   Hey Al     Betty    Thu Jun 09, 2005 14:15 
 53   re: cod     Joe    Thu Jun 09, 2005 14:29 
 54   summary     krossie    Thu Jun 09, 2005 15:19 
 55   Some reports on ASBOs     R. Isible    Thu Jun 09, 2005 16:34 
 56   Evidence     Al    Thu Jun 09, 2005 18:29 
 57   Ah planes     Betty    Thu Jun 09, 2005 18:31 
 58   My business     Al    Thu Jun 09, 2005 18:35 
 59   Now now Al     Barry    Thu Jun 09, 2005 18:41 
 60   You'll be a credit to the detective grade someday     Betty    Thu Jun 09, 2005 18:41 
 61   Sinn Féin: Ó Snodaigh outlines Sinn Féin's alternatives to ASBOs     Sinn Féin    Thu Jun 09, 2005 20:01 
 62   or     Barry    Thu Jun 09, 2005 20:10 
 63   consider it done     cod    Thu Jun 09, 2005 20:29 
 64   At last some peace     alwatch    Thu Jun 09, 2005 23:46 
 65   Important background - Skangers     toneore    Fri Jun 10, 2005 07:05 
 66   for a speedy recovery     serial    Sun Jun 12, 2005 06:49 
 67   p.s. i love you Al     serial    Sun Jun 12, 2005 06:54 
 68   RE: ASBOS     Eoin    Fri Jun 17, 2005 00:10 


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