Sin feinn/IRA apologists should take a step back before wailing wall

by Rooster Booster Tue Jul 27, 2004 14:15

Who put the need for walls up in Northern Ireland?? If we had a proper police force who didnt collude with Unionist paramilitaries thered be no need for the extra protection, Would there???
Who put the walls there anyway??

by Joe Tue Jul 27, 2004 14:41

The difference for whats its worth is the Belfast peace walls tend to be supported by the bulk of the residents on either side of them as an unfortunate neccessity. The Israel is building on the other hand seems to be opposed by all Palestines, most if not all Israeli Arabs and a fair number of Israelis as well. So its really more like the Berlin wall, imposed by one side on the populations of both sides.

Plus of course the wall is being built on Palestinian land, how'd you feel Rooster if all the Belfast peace walls were moved 100m into 'Loyalist estates'?

by iosaf Tue Jul 27, 2004 16:55

were elected by democratic participation in both Irish states and sit with the Left wing group there known as the "nordic greens", their maiden speeches have highlighted the concern amongst the European Left at the current Isreali-Palestinan situation and are completely on track and in line with what the Euro Left generally say.

go raibh maith acu.

by chris bond Tue Jul 27, 2004 18:49

The term "peace lines" is a gross euphenism. There is nothing peaceful about building a wall to seperate two people on the basis of something as trivial and insignificant these days as religious division.

by Nordie Tue Jul 27, 2004 18:58

Maybe philosophically speaking they're a tragedy, but in practice if they save lives they're a feckin god send at the end of it all.
Just as long as you remember not to build them through your neighbours house you naughty Israelis! Then you're going into sheer criminality.

by Devil Dog Tue Jul 27, 2004 19:09

"The Sinn Fein Members of the European Union Parliament for Ireland

were elected by democratic participation in both Irish states and sit with the Left wing group there known as the "nordic greens"...

Amazing how SF weren't too concerned about democracy when they were getting 1-2% in elections in the RoI and 10-15% in NI,,,,,

I think you mean "communist/ex-communist group known as Nordic Greens"....

by Xaun Tue Jul 27, 2004 22:54

ROOSTER wrote:
"Of the very effective barrier so far erected to protect Israelis from Palestinian suicide bombers".

--First of all, this Apartheid wall in Palestine is NOT erected to protect anyone, but to steal MORE lands to the Palestinians, after having beeing stealing/or sometime buying it through pressure or cheating, since the beginning of the XXth century, even before Israel was created.
I quote something someone said about the wall: "If you want to protect and separate neighbours, you do not erect a barrier cutting across your neighbour's kitchen".
The so called separation wall or fence, apart from grabing more Palestinian lands (after 1948, 1950, 1967...) it cuts the native inhabitants of going to their very lands, schools, hospitals, neighbouring towns and villages...

And who erected the walls in Belfast? Who really benefits from them? Do you really think they help creating good neighbours, in a normal society? Don't you think they deepen the sectarian divide and the hatred among people? Have you seen any wall in any middle or upper class area? No, they are erected between working class people populated areas. The British stablishment, the Capitalists, all the religious hierarchies are afraid of the working class people (Catholic, Protestant, atheistic and else...) uniting against their opressors and living in peace together. (You only have to go back to history to know about that).

by Jim Monaghan Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:44

The wall is the latest attempt to deprive the native population of Palestine of their land.
As long as this continuing robbery persists there will be resistence. This may take forms that I or others might not like but the crime that causes it is the occupation of Palestinian land.
The only possible parallel to the treatment of the Palestinisn population is the infamous "To hell or to Connacht" of early modern English Imperialism in Ireland.
I am glad that Sinn Fein identifies with the oppressed in this case rather than the oppressors.I am for a single state solution. Give democratic right to all the population of Palestine as a unit including Israel. Let a vote decide.Democracy based on artificial religious grounds is not democracy.The role of the wall is to exclude the emerging Palestinian majority in the sum of Israel and the lands they are seizing.
Having weakened and destroyed most of the secular resistence the Israelis have only themselves to blame for the emergence of Hamas and the religious based opposition.
Boycott Israeli goods and commerce. Buy Outspan not Jaffa.

by TheTroll Thu Jul 29, 2004 23:45

Nazis once built a wall/fence in thier French neighbor's homeland. Was that wall/fence a defensive structure, or a defensive tactic in an offensive war of conquest?

Zionists invaded the Palestinian's homeland like the Hungarians invaded Slovakia, under the guns of a European power broker nation. Nazis giving the Slovakian's homeland to thier Hungarian allies didn't mean that Nazis had any such authority to give Slovakia to Hungrians or that Hungarians had any right to invade Slovakia. So, how can anyone believe Balfour gave ZIonists thier alleged "birthright" of murderous theft of the Palestinian's homeland? Balfour had no right to give the ZIonist crusaders a beachhead (kibbutzes) for conquest in the Palestinian's homeland! And ZIonists had no "birthright" of murderous theft of the Palestinian's lands. no more than hungarians had to invade Slovakia, anyway.

Zionists build a wall to maintain thier murderous theft of Palestinian lands. A wall can be described as a defensive measure. But ZIonists are murderous thieves who have never stopped stealing palestinian lands in thier collective war of conquest. And ZIonists have never hesitated for a second to murder the Palestinians who resist the ZIonist's continuing theft of more and more Palestinian lands. when you look at the ZIonist crusader state, you can see 4 generations of murderous thieves. Zionists are not defending themselves. Zionists are occupying the Palestinian's homeland like nazis occupied the french people's homeland. And Zionists, like the Nazis in france, are building a wall to continue occupying the Palestinian's homeland.

by moonwolf Sat Jul 31, 2004 07:23

on a really serious note, who's giving out the painting contract for this very, very, long wall?

Wouldn't be the U.S state department, would it, since they seem to be expert at Whitewashing!!!!!!

by Critic Wed Aug 04, 2004 00:58

that beats everything!!! Outrageous comparison! That's a really loathsome attempt to pervert history!

by the_watcher Wed Aug 04, 2004 02:20

Ok I get it. Remove the US military might from the Mid East. Let the all the Arab nations nuke Israel. Let Iran & North Korea build the bigger bombs and aim them at the USA and Europe. Then kiss our arse goodbye.

End

by realities Wed Aug 04, 2004 03:49

Or could it be on the other side of ur fantasy mirror, out here in the real world, that the only nation in the mid-east with nukes IS Israel!!!

You fucking fool!!!

by moonwolf Wed Aug 04, 2004 09:03

The ONLY country to have used nuclear warfare since the invention of "De Bomb" was The Mighty U.S.A................and yes Fascist and Zionist equate to the same thing, except to Zionists of course!

by Just straightening out a fact. Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:47

I think you will find that Pakistan have enquired nuclear capabilities. This was confirmed in 1988 by the los Almos lab that tested particles released into the atmosphere after an underground test.

by Pidge Wed Aug 04, 2004 14:12

Why is it that whenever this debate comes up its always the evil terrorist palestinians versus great israeli nation or the other way round? Both sides are wrong! I interviewed David Goulding of the Israeli embassy and ALi Hamileh of the Palestinian General delegation for radio. BOth have valid problems: People who set up little girls to blow up in a cafe (may 2003) are sick and deserve whatever they've got coming to them, equally: setting up villages in someone elses back garden and knocking over someones home because it used to be that way 3000 years ago is wrong. This is a case of picking the lesser of two evils.... a really hard choice

by Pidge Wed Aug 04, 2004 14:19

"and yes Fascist and Zionist equate to the same thing, except to Zionists of course!"
Heres the definition of fascism:
"A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism."
And zionism:
"a policy for establishing and developing a national homeland for Jews in Palestine [syn: Zionism] 2: a movement of world Jewry that arose late in the 19th century with the aim of creating a Jewish state in Palestine [syn: Zionism, Zionist movement"

Wow, go to the top of the class moonwolf... probably another "smoked salmon socialist". I'm sick of prats like him who through bricks at gards and when they yell back screams "GARDA OPPPRESSION!". I know moonwolf will probably contest what i just said, but u know the type of perosn i mean

by moonwolf Wed Aug 04, 2004 18:02

So Pidge, personal abuse is your best response?

While i am partial to some smoked salmon, i am most definately no socialist, sorry to disappoint you!!

as for throwing(i presume you meant throwing? seems your use of that dictionary was limited) bricks at Gardai(i presume you mean Gardai or Guards?) , never have, sorry to disappoint again.

However, you are entitled to your opinion regarding me, wrong as it may be.

Thats called freedom, something you wouldn't get in Israel not only as an Arab but as a member of the much discriminated against Sephardi Jewish community.

Zionism is an Askenasi invention and today it's practical application in terms of the Palestinians amounts to the same thing as Fascism, thats my opinion!!!

P.S thanks for the personal abuse.

by realities Wed Aug 04, 2004 20:01

' think you will find that Pakistan have enquired nuclear capabilities. This was confirmed in 1988 by the los Almos lab that tested particles released into the atmosphere after an underground test.'

Pakistan isn't an Arab country.

by ROZZY Mon Sep 13, 2004 01:59

And who erected the walls in Belfast? Who really benefits from them? Do you really think they help creating good neighbours, in a normal society? Don't you think they deepen the sectarian divide and the hatred among people? Have you seen any wall in any middle or upper class area?

THe point is that the shinners support one wall but criticise another one, WHAT HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!