Fact: The Americans are losing in Iraq

by Joe Mon Apr 19, 2004 17:45

Daren I'm not sure you should really get into the 'numbers game'. Trying to justify US atrocities because you think more US citizens have been killed in the war on terror than the citizens of the countries the US have invaded is wrong on two accounts.

1. Why should one act of barbarism justify another. If its wrong for bin Laden to slaugher civilians in New York than its wrong for Bush to slaughter civilians in Fallujah.

2. If you do the maths the numbers don't work out for you. The Iraq war seems to have killed 10 - 15,000 civilians (the US isn't bothering to count but others are).

by kokomero Mon Apr 12, 2004 12:33

but history which we ignore at our peril suggests the USK occupation forces will pack up and leave the country in chaos sooner rather than later, having lost without solving any of the root causes, and will leave themselves and us in more trouble than when they started!

by righteous pragmatist Sun Apr 11, 2004 00:22

At least someone here has a sense of humour.
I don't agree with your "eeeek" but i'll give you 10/10 for trying.
I'll give Ossama, Saddam and Al Sadr duck egg. Zilch. Zero. O.OOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

by eeekkk Sat Apr 10, 2004 02:27

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by David C. Sat Apr 10, 2004 02:20

...,in 1964, a French journalist asked General Ho Chi Minh how he could ever hope to defeat the world's most powerful nation with his poorly-equipped, third-world army of irregulars.

He said "They will kill many of us. We will kill a few of them. And they will tire first".

The heros of the Iraqi resistance are fighting to keep all of us free from American domination. And they are winning...

by Antone Fri Apr 09, 2004 23:03

Due to lack of support from ordinary Iraqis.

If this is the best 22 million Iraqis can throw at the international colaition then the future Iraqi deomcracy is assured.

Why is it that so many people want this handful of thugs and extremists to succeed??

by pc Fri Apr 09, 2004 21:40

for us its two steps forward one step back they ahve there bases their foothold

all this is ahah see we were right stuff is pointless

by Northern Eye Fri Apr 09, 2004 21:38

No, no, you don't see. The Americans ARE losing in Iraq because they cannot control the country nor ever will. A revolution is beginning. The American aim of invading Iraq was to control the country as a puppet state and use it for its oil and to make Israel stronger. They have failed and the only way they can control Iraq now is to kill all the Iraqis.The IR aren't going to defeat the US militarily in the sense that they're going to annilate the whole US war machine but they are going to defeat them by making Iraq a place where its impossible for the US to stay or have any say in. Every dead American soldier bites deeper and deeper into the heart of America and because of the effect that dead soldiers have on public opinion in the US the Iraqis will win a victory free from the American entity just like the Vietnamese did, only easier because of the American fear of Iraq becoming another Vietnam. The US adventure in Iraq is an unmitigated disaster and will get worse by the day. The US miltary may slaughter by the hundreds and thousands to try and 'win' but their efforts are futile. Iraq belongs to the Iraqis and nothing can kill that desire now for freedom from a proud and courageous people. Americas' fucked, basically, but I don't expect you to understand the spirit of whats now happening. Only when America goes running with its tail between its legs will you see how the Iraqis won. History always repeats itself.

by ec Fri Apr 09, 2004 21:25

which it is doing an increasingly good job of being with the mass collective punishment presently taking place in Fallujah

If Iraq remains ungovernable

If the coalition breaks down further

then Bush Out of the White House

Blair out of No 10

US out of Iraq - not on their own terms

by Righteous Pragmatist Fri Apr 09, 2004 21:05

I'm sorry to disappoint you morons.
The average Al-Sadr militiaman is armed with an AK-47, an RPG or 7.62mm light machine gun and maybe a few grenades and maybe the odd .50 calibre heavy machine gun. They have limited ammunition and limited food and water and limited numbers of fighters.

No body armour.
No night vision goggles.
No Predator drone spy aircraft.
No spy satelites.
No light armoured vehicles.
No heavy main battle tanks.
No helicopter gunships.
No fighter bomber air support.
No heavy artillery.

Nothing.

They have inflicted merely dozens of U.S. and Coaltion casualties from sporadic sniper and grenade attacks and hit and run ambushes.
Al-Sadr's militia has suffered hundreds and hundreds of casualties from stand up battles where they are totally overwhelmed by numbers and firepower.

What about the quality of soldiers that they are up against?
The average Marine or Army grunt has undergone the most extensive training with small arms and unit tactics on earth.
The U.S. Army counter insurgency operation doctrine is unequalled.

The comparison with the Tet offensive by American critics is justified by for the wrong reasons.
The Viet Cong were decimated and the whole operation was an unmitigated disaster.

I expect Al-Sadr's head will be a paper weight on General Sanchez's desk before very long.

by eeekkk Fri Apr 09, 2004 19:41

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by Steve Fri Apr 09, 2004 15:38

Unless Tarragon is Observer, it seems highly likely. How even Fox News and CNN can still support this war is beyond my comprehension.

by Northern Eye Fri Apr 09, 2004 01:47

That was surely meant to be sarcastic, wasn't it?

by Tarragon Fri Apr 09, 2004 01:42

A small group of thugs with RPGs can make a big bang but the outcome is never seriously in doubt. These criminals are reviled by most Iraqis - which is kind of obvious when you consider the feebleness of the resistance: opportunistic roadside bombs etc.

They will be squashed and Iraq will get the government it's people deserve.

Look at the big picture, democarcy is coming to the Middle East!! At last!! It may take 50 years but the genius of George Bush is making it an irreversible process!!

You should be happy.

by eeekkkk Thu Apr 08, 2004 21:28

Well said david c.
Most sensible analysis I heard all day.