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US Troops reported in uniform in Ennis

category clare | anti-war | news report author Wednesday November 19, 2003 23:49author by Phuq Hedd Report this post to the editors

Irish Independent - Pat Flynn Wed Nov 19th

US troops sneaked out of their hotel in uniform while their plane was undergoing repairs in order to see the sights in Ennis. The plane was reportedly an American Transair Lockheed L10-11 Tristar was en route from Kuwait to Baltimore via Cyprus and Shannon.

Inspector Tom Kennedy is quoted with some waffle about there being possible danger to the soldiers due to local people feeling the wearing of uniforms is provocative. Apparently the seven soldiers evaded the Garda security at the hotel by the devious strategy of leaving by the back door. Cunning Yanks!

author by D.I. Cluelesspublication date Thu Nov 20, 2003 03:44Report this post to the editors

By the back door? That was really sly. We can't have that sort of thing happening again. This will have to be noted in the Templemore Training Manual.

author by Brian Kpublication date Thu Nov 20, 2003 07:05Report this post to the editors

I hope members of the public made their views known. If I had seen them in their babykiller uniforms I would have spat on them.

author by mr jinkspublication date Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:36Report this post to the editors

would u really have walked up to some one and spat at them, u really are an ignoramus. pathetic yob!!

author by mr. sad tosserpublication date Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:27Report this post to the editors

killing iraqis is fine

but spitting on yanks?!

OH MY GOD THAT'S SICK!!!!!!!!!

author by lone gunmanpublication date Thu Nov 20, 2003 13:27Report this post to the editors

HoHummm.We have putting up with that since Vietnam.Even by our own people.
Best advice on dealing with uniform spitters was given by a Marine general to his men.

"When you meet an anti war protestor mouthing on about baby killing and spittin on your uniform.Go up and shake his hand,and wink at his girlfriend/boyfriend.He/she will know then that he/she is datin a big pussy!"

author by Idiotspublication date Thu Nov 20, 2003 14:15Report this post to the editors

To responde to the crude nature of the 'war on terror' by spitting on military men and women is stupid. It's offensive and rude and gets nobody anywhere. Killing bibies, as you so reactionarily put it, is wrong; so is spitting. How can you build anything constructive and new if the supposed builders are sub-human?

author by Joepublication date Thu Nov 20, 2003 15:00Report this post to the editors

It should be recognised that a lot of US soldiers are effectivly economic conscripts. They come from poor backgrounds and the military was often the only job they could get. Jessica Lynch for instance only joined the army after she had tried and failed to get a job at a local super market.

In the case of the Marines they may be migrants whose only hope of staying in the US is getting the citizenship papers that come with the Marine corp.

So if you run into them its probably a lot better to talk to them about the war. Some 50+ US military personnel are currently under charge for refusing to serve in the Iraq war. The end of the US involvement in Vietnam had a lot to do with mutinies and the fragging of officers. Veterns of that war and the 1991 Gulf War have written numerous appeals to serving soldiers in opposition to the Iraq war, see the web page below for some of these and more on the above.

author by Lone Gunmanpublication date Thu Nov 20, 2003 20:27Report this post to the editors

It is not the poor migrants who go for jobs in the armed forces,they have an exellent system to look after them called WELFARE.A lot of personel who are serving their country in Iraq are national gaurd and reservists. IE the local butcher,baker and candlestick maker. Or College kids who are on the GI bill.Serve your country and Uncle Sam picks up your college bill.Exellent programme,[ I didnt have a rich mommy and Doddy to put me thru College in Ireland.] Funnilly enough those with me they were mostly middle class.
You CANNOT be in the US armed forces unless you are a naturalised US citizen or a US citizen by birth. It used to be possible to be conscriped as a non national.That ended with the draft.[Frank Mc Court being a famous example].Another reason the draft was ended,people who are not willing to do a job do it badly.
Hmmm ...I wouldnt have put Bil Klintoon or Dubya in the poor white trailer trash class. considering that both boys had ROTC training[thats rich kid officer class for the not in the know].Both used their studies to dodge the draft.At least Dubya did actually do some military service in nowhereville,Texas.Klintoon slunk off to England after writing a worm out letter to his CO.

Agree with you tho about those in the low educated sections of american society,not being able to get much else.That goes to show what a fucked up,liberal,leftist PC shit hole the American education system has become.Where more time is spent on getting kids to express their sexuality at six years of age than actually teaching them somthing about the world or the basics of reading and writing.

author by Sean Citizenpublication date Thu Nov 20, 2003 21:13Report this post to the editors

I think you'd be legally correct, but of course the Rottweiller might'nt see it that way.

author by Drbinochepublication date Thu Nov 20, 2003 23:12Report this post to the editors

Well, why stop there. Why not arrest anyone who is wearing Camouflage outfits altogether. I mean I can get army tops in Millets or Army Bargains with the names and US Army or whatever country they are from still on em, so unless I asked for proper ID I can assume they are from that army and therefore should be arrested. There was no way of anyone knowing they were definitely US soldiers just by what they were wearing, they could have American students on the way to a fancy dress or on their way back, but how did anyone know. Hell lets just arrest any americans wearing Camo and see how our tourism is afterwards.

author by An Pcapublication date Thu Nov 20, 2003 23:41author email flannbui at yahoo dot comReport this post to the editors

U.S. Marines caught violating Irish law in Ennis by wearing their uniforms in public.
" Soldiers break uniform laws. " - Taken from todays Clare Champion.

Seven United States soldiers who were among 213 US military personnel "FORCED" (My emphasis) to land at Shannon on Tuesday morning , contravened the defence act by appearing in public while in uniform. The soldiers were en route to Baltimore in the U.S. following a period of actice service in Iraq, when their aircraft developed engine trouble. The plane was 400 miles west of Shannon when the piolot was forced to turn back. Although an emergency was not declared , the soldiers were delayed while the Transair Lockheed L10 - 11 Tristar was being repaired

They were kept for a period in the Clare Inn in New Markewt on Fergus and it was during their sojourn here that seven members of the U.S. military group left the hotel without permission. and went to Ennis. The men, in full army dress were senn by a garda in Ennis and they were advised to return to their hotel. Members of an overseas army require permission from the Department of Defense if they are to be seen in public while in army uniform.

author by Lone gunmanpublication date Fri Nov 21, 2003 00:42Report this post to the editors

You were claiming that they were here in uniform in a pub in meelick and in the two mile inn,etc a few weeks ago.Amazing that the Gaurds never cautioned them then?Or that it was not reported on national media?Maybe it never happened and it was the little people in GI combat fatigues that Poocha saw?

author by Phuq Heddpublication date Fri Nov 21, 2003 05:51Report this post to the editors

QUOTE:It is not the poor migrants who go for jobs in the armed forces,they have an exellent system to look after them called WELFARE.
[...]
You CANNOT be in the US armed forces unless you are a naturalised US citizen or a US citizen by birth.

ANSWER: Some of the first body bags back in the US from Gulf War 2 were of recent Latino immigrants. At least two of them were awarded "posthumous citizenship". See this story, which states that they were permanent residents but not citizens very clearly. http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/iraq/1851645
This story seems to suggest that at least 11 soldiers that died in Iraq for the capitalist fucks were not citizens either and contains a little more detail:http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y22221A96

QUOTE:Or College kids who are on the GI bill.Serve your country and Uncle Sam picks up your college bill.Exellent programme,[ I didnt have a rich mommy and Doddy to put me thru College in Ireland.] Funnilly enough those with me they were mostly middle class.

ANSWER: Yeah excellent program. Make sure that people that aren't rich can't go to college unless they take the risk that there isn't going to be another war for rich people any time soon. Only between 10 and 20% of people that enlist ever get the opportunity to go to college because most of them don't meet the basic criteria for entrance. Not the same as some privileged gung-ho kid strutting around in ROTC uniform. Read what a real veteran has to say about it and shut your whining:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=40&ItemID=3221

QUOTE:At least Dubya did actually do some military service in nowhereville,Texas.Klintoon slunk off to England after writing a worm out letter to his CO.

ANSWER: Agree with you on Klinton, but G.W.Bush was too fucking dumb to be able to escape to a foreign university. He had to stay where his rich East Coast poppa and pals could swing him a nice easy stint well away from the action in the Texas Air Guard.

QUOTE:Agree with you tho about those in the low educated sections of american society,not being able to get much else.That goes to show what a fucked up,liberal,leftist PC shit hole the American education system has become.Where more time is spent on getting kids to express their sexuality at six years of age than actually teaching them somthing about the world or the basics of reading and writing.

ANSWER: Were you educated in the USA by any chance?

author by sniper at workpublication date Fri Nov 21, 2003 07:42Report this post to the editors

QUOTE:At least Dubya did actually do some military service in nowhereville,Texas.

Well yes ... ahem ... some military service perhaps ... he did get a uniform ... but did he actually serve his time as required ?

Seems that you've never surfed by on:
http://www.awolbush.com/

"So, while the news networks have sat on this explosive story for months, it's well documented that George W. Bush never showed up for National Guard duty for a period of approximately one year, possibly more, in 1972-1973. Despite all the talk about "honor and dignity," Bush seems to have a problem meeting his commitments.

AWOL----absent for 30 days or less.
Desertion-----absent for more than 30 days with evidence of no intent to return to duty.
Is he guilty of one or both?
You read the facts here and decide.

This is not the story of a search for missing records. We have the pertinent records."

Related Link: http://www.awolbush.com
author by sniper at workpublication date Fri Nov 21, 2003 07:51Report this post to the editors

Whether or not Gunman is a victim of the US educational system I cannot say ..... but his brain has clearly been deformed by the US mass media and their unbalanced coverage of events:
"Let me give you some statistics," responded panelist Paul Begala, "I worked for Bill Clinton in 1992 and in anticipation of this very question, I looked this up on Nexis. There were 13,641 stories about Bill Clinton 'dodging the draft' and there were 49 stories about Bush and the National Guard," Begala said.

SOURCE:
http://www.uaw.org/cap/01/news/day3media.html

13,641 to 49 .... seems a wee bit unbalanced to me .....

Related Link: http://www.uaw.org/cap/01/news/day3media.html
author by Wibble wibblepublication date Fri Nov 21, 2003 09:12Report this post to the editors

Those Latinos had Green Cards.

A Green Card is the same thing as citizenship, in the eyes of the law.

They didn't join the army to get citizenship, they already had it.

(couldn't resist).

author by Joepublication date Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:42Report this post to the editors

This is from a US army web site

"One must legally immigrate first, and then apply to join the U.S. Marine Corps. Once an immigrant joins the U.S. Military, normal residency requirements are waived and they can apply to become a United States Citizen after 3 years of active duty. '
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/marineenjobs/blnoncitizen.htm

So yes you do need a green card but no this is not the same thing as citizenship and yes serving in the marines does help to then get citizenship.

Related Link: http://struggle.ws/stopthewar.html
author by Lone Gunmanpublication date Fri Nov 21, 2003 15:01Report this post to the editors

Dear oh dear. I read the article. Yeah what a bitch!What the fuck did he expect?It is called combat.A dirty ,disagreeable nasty thing.Everybody who has been in any armed forces will give you a story like that.Yeah! Another hey I'll get somthing for nothin easy timer.Ditto the "GI Gals" Gulf war?OH NO! I'm pregnant!!!
REAL Vets are the ones who came back with no legs,balls,Gulf war syndrome,etc,that sort of shit and then have to go thru the shity Vet admin programme,that is stripped of money ,for such great WELFARE programmes of supporting,crack smoking,brood sow,welfare parasites.Courtsey of the shitty left wing run liberal asshole public school system.[Having a Irish aunt who teaches over there in a public school is a good source.]

You got to be really DUMB to think that there is somthing for free in an army.You enforce my point it is the ROTOC kids that become officers and REMFs[go figure].
The rest of us on the GI bill are lower class and surprisingly middle class American. Just shows how expensive college education is over there. You would want to be Rockerfella to pay it outright.
I'm chuffed that you are including me in the working classes[whoever the Hell they are]. I didnt have the luxury of a free[as paid by parents,student grants ,etc]education in a self smug,self important little rock of a country.Not good enough for the elitist snobby colleges of Ireland ,[1980s Ireland ,when most of you were proably still a dirty glint in your mothers eyes as they spotted the dole officer more likely.]
I went to the US and got my qualifications over there,via the GI bill.Some of us just dont have the choice over here or there.Unlike some of the "workers" that you claim to repersent comrade phuqhead?

Where were you educated?Geography was not too hot a subject was it?
Texas is in the SW of the USA not the East coast!Far as I know Dubya was never a Rhodes or Ivy leauge canditate.At least he did own up to his drug habit,drinking,and womanising. "I smoked pot,but I never inhaled" "I did not have sex with Ms Lewinsinky"[sic]etc ,etc,etc? Does that sound familiar?NEITHER of them were a great credit to the armed forces.
Nope! A green card is not the same as citzenship,it can be revoked at any time and you must stay within the CONUS for the now five years.
Really must go back and find that recruitment officer.I was told US citzenship or nothin.

author by :)publication date Fri Nov 21, 2003 17:12Report this post to the editors

A green card is not the same as citizenship - you are not entitled to vote as a green card holder for starters....

author by sniper at workpublication date Fri Nov 21, 2003 20:52Report this post to the editors

You're keeping me real busy there boy ....

George W. Bush not Ivy League ...... ?

Well elite American Universities are not my strong point but I thought that Yale might qualify as Ivy League ?

Didn't you know that Georgie Porgie was a Yale boy ... but don't take my word for it ... use a good old reliable US corporate media source - CNN

"If our President had the slightest sense of irony, he might have paused to ask himself, "Wait a minute. How did I get into Yale?" It wasn't because of any academic achievement: his high school record was ordinary. It wasn't because of his life experience--prosperous family, fancy prep school--which was all too familiar at Yale. It wasn't his SAT scores: 566 verbal and 640 math.

They may not have had an explicit point system at Yale in 1964, but Bush clearly got in because of affirmative action. Affirmative action for the son and grandson of alumni. Affirmative action for a member of a politically influential family. Affirmative action for a boy from a fancy prep school. These forms of affirmative action still go on."

SOURCE:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/20/timep.affirm.action.tm/

And I do note that dear old George Walker Bush - the current pres. - appears to have his lickle name on the Skull & Bones membership list ...
http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/3/skullroster.htm

Well now, I think you may need to do a little more research into the Bush family history ...
Could do worse than starting with Webster Tarpley's unauthorised biography of George Bush Sr.
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

No disgrace in having served in the US army especially if you were forced to do so by circumstances ... but just do be aware WHAT it was you were serving .....

Related Link: http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
author by sniper at workpublication date Sat Nov 22, 2003 21:12author address http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/19991110.htmlReport this post to the editors

Well Gunman you're a wee bit slow to respond but I managed to check it for myself:
Yale IS an Ivy League University ....
http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/19991110.html

Therefore, according to my reckoning George Walker Bush is a Yale Alumnus ...

Ahem ... (clears his throat) can you see where this is leading .... ?

It means that although Dubya was not Rhodes Scholar material (you my actually need a brain for that), he most certainly was an "Ivy League candidate" ......

Might help if you would do a bit of research about the guy before believing blindly in your own media-fed perception of who George W. Bush is ...

Just to put the record straight:
He is not Mr. Ordinary Guy, man of the people, and plain simple Texan Redneck - although he may try to project that image. No Sir, George Walker Bush is a scion of a wealthy US patrician banking and oil family (although admittedly a rather degenerated specimen) which is a fully paid-up member of the gilded elite that calls the shots in the US ... and sends the likes of yourself off to die in hot dusty climates for a few dollars more ....... (though looks like you got out in time) .....

Whether Georgie-Porgie is better or worse than your favorite bugbear "Klintoon" is I think largely a matter of taste ... I would say that Rhodes Scholar Klintoon was a bit brighter but no doubt every bit as devious as any other high profile politico, he had a brain but he couldn't keep his dick under control ..... Georgie on the other hand *is* a dick and seems to have difficulty in keeping his brain under control .....
But that's just my opinion ..... feel free to enjoy your own ....

author by Lone Gunmanpublication date Sun Nov 23, 2003 00:36Report this post to the editors

OK so he went to Yale,[didnt know that.thought it was some Texas cow college]by dubious means and belongs to some weird Frat house with alot of power.I belive the Brits have one as well called the Masons..oh yes they are in the US too.
BTW do you know how many other people were members of the Skulls and the Masons? From George Washington[mason] to Samuel Colt[mason] to Gen Douglas Mac Authur [skull]to Henry Ford,to name a few of both. So does this all go to where....?A conspiricy theory that Geo sen and jnr are starting a New World Order that goes back to JFK getting blown away? Righhhht...Cue X files music...
For your Info there has not been a man of the people as US prez since proably... Teddy Rosevelt?
KNOWN FACT in the Western World.One is as bad as the other,you just got to make the best choice that is on offer.Yes All the presidents ,senators etc are in somones pockets....well whats new?? At least they are open about it..Unlike our lot who are total hyprocrites on this matter.Who was Klintoon whoring for? Check out the Dixie mafia that was behind him.I dont doubt that he would have sent me off as well if he had felt the need.[If he could have got around to working as the president instead of a sex starved college kid. Might have been able to nip old Bin liner back then,and prervented some major clusterfucks like Mogadishu from happening]
I know what I served my country,not some jerk in the White house. I, and thousand others took the deal and knew the consequences,[or should have]
I personally dont vote for any two party system in Ireland or the USA. you casts your vote and takes your chances.What was the choice ? Al "Robot" Gore ? If he was in charge now I think the world would be in a worse mess,after reading his book.I had to conclude [a] he is a nut [b]He hasnt a clue about what is happening in the real world.[c] Both.The man was denser than Bush snr[seeing that Snr was a fighter jock and spook might explain it.]
To finish I think why Klintoon was forgiven is ;he was a lawyer,[says enough], was good looking to women and knew what buttons to push to get people to like him[see lawyer training 101].
So he had two things that Hitler had in favour as well able to talk his way around the masses and was attractive to women. 60% of women asked after the elections of Klintoon voted because they "liked his looks".Dubya on the other hand is about as pretty as a warthog wearing a top hat,and he has a Texas attiude which unfortuneatly doesnt translate well into world politics.Once you can understand a Texas mindset you can see what he is thinking.

author by sniper at work ...publication date Sun Nov 23, 2003 02:58Report this post to the editors

I think you've successfully identified the problem ... I do believe that I am unable to understand the Texan mindset .... but to be perfectly honest with you, I'm not sure I really want to ......

PS: I read that while in London as part of a PR exercise Bushy-Wushy met with relatives of soldiers who had been killed in Iraq.
To the best of my information he has not accorded US families in a similar position the same treatment or attended any funeral ceremonies for those who have died in ......

Of course following your logic it doesn't really matter, those poor f**kers who are dying out there are of course serving their country, not some jerk in the White House ... which is probably why he feels justified in ignoring their relatives ....

Thank God that America still produces people idealistic enough to believe that signing up for the armed forces means that you are serving your country and not the interests of a bunch of plutocratic gangsters .....

Wonder what Smedley Butler would have made of it all .....

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

Related Link: http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
author by sniper at workpublication date Sun Nov 23, 2003 03:25Report this post to the editors

Hey Gunman sorry to keep correcting you but didn't you know that Teddy Roosevelt was a Harvard boy ?
http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/trh1.jpg

That is to say: Ivy League material ...

Yep, another wealthy patrician I'm afraid ....
"a Knickerbocker aristocrat, a New Yorker of inherited wealth and social status" ....
http://www.trthegreatnewyorker.com/writer/theodore_roosevelt.htm

May have to dig a little deeper back to find a man of the people in the White House .....

Related Link: http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/trh1.jpg
author by sniper at workpublication date Sun Nov 23, 2003 03:28Report this post to the editors

Theodore Roosevelt was born on October 27, 1858, in a brownstone house on Twentieth Street in New York City. ... His father, Theodore Roosevelt Sr., was a prosperous glassware merchant, and was one of the wealthy old Knickerbocker class, whose Dutch ancestors had been living on Manhattan Island since the 1640s.

Related Link: http://www.npg.si.edu/exh/roosevelt/maver.htm
author by Choosenottopublication date Sun Nov 23, 2003 06:45Report this post to the editors

He was from a dirt poor family. He got to be President.

Abraham Lincoln was from a humble background too.

Related Link: http://www.just_look_it
author by Phuq Heddpublication date Sun Nov 23, 2003 09:23Report this post to the editors

QUOTE: Dear oh dear. I read the article. Yeah what a bitch!What the fuck did he expect?It is called combat.A dirty ,disagreeable nasty thing.Everybody who has been in any armed forces will give you a story like that.
ANSWER: Yes, most veterans will tell you that the army is a boring con job and that you get slapped on the back and praised in the press by people that have never and will never experience what you do. Something tells me that you're one of those barstool warriors.

QUOTE: REAL Vets are the ones who came back with no legs,balls,Gulf war syndrome,etc,that sort of shit
ANSWER: No REAL Vets are the ones that swam to Iraq, eating only sharks and depleted uranium and then formed human bridges so that tanks could cross the Tigris. And they were the lucky ones.

QUOTE: and then have to go thru the shity Vet admin programme,that is stripped of money ,for such great WELFARE programmes of supporting,crack smoking,brood sow,welfare parasites.
ANSWER: actually the money mostly goes towards buying more weapons so that the next generation of kids without welfare produced by the current generation of "crack smoking,brood sow,welfare parasites" have something with which to kill foreigners. Another large part of the tax take (from the working classes, not the rich plain-talkin' "Texan mindset" downhome, ordinary rich fellers) goes towards prisons and cops.

QUOTE: You got to be really DUMB to think that there is somthing for free in an army.
ANSWER: And where did anyone claim that? They merely claimed that it was a bad risk and they're helping others make the right evaluation of the risk when the recruiting officer turns up.

QUOTE:You enforce my point it is the ROTOC kids that become officers and REMFs[go figure].
The rest of us on the GI bill are lower class and surprisingly middle class American.
ANSWER: Gosh, what a lot of classes there are in your world. Is it them as wot talks posh that get to be middle class as opposed to lower class or are they the ones that wear loafers instead of work boots?

QUOTE: I'm chuffed that you are including me in the working classes[whoever the Hell they are].
ANSWER: I have no idea what you're talking about. I have no idea what class you are. I am torn between the idea that you are a genuine idiot, rampantly unaware of your cretinous nature or else the creation of a very gifted troll. If the latter then I salute you. If the former then I can only suggest that you and Drbinoche get together and have children.

QUOTE: Unlike some of the "workers" that you claim to repersent comrade phuqhead?
ANSWER: I don't claim to represent anyone except myself. Let me explain the class system to you so that you have no longer the excuse of ignorance: there are two classes:
1. People that own the means of production in the sense that they have significant control over how it is used (either outright or in concert with others). This excludes the holders of non-voting stock in companies (as the vast majority of the new share owners are).
2. People that are dependent upon a wage garnered from the rent of the mental or physical labour in those means of production.

Very few people are class 1. Most of us are class 2. That class 2 are what I mean by "workers". There are grades and distinctions at the seems where there are small anomalistic cases that don't fit neatly into one or the other class, but in general it's an accurate division. As a member of class 2 my interests are implacably opposed to those of class 1.

In my opinion any of the divisions into "lower" or "middle" or "lower middle" or whatever ignore the fundamentally important difference and the commonality held by all mmembers of class 2. That's not to say that there are members of class 2 who are sufficiently greedy, unambitious and inhumane that they attempt to scramble for the crumbs of bread at the expense of others.

QUOTE: Where were you educated?Geography was not too hot a subject was it?
Texas is in the SW of the USA not the East coast!
ANSWER: G.W.Bush is _not_ a Texan. That was the point of my comment. His family is an old East Coast family -- in sharp contrast to the image that he puts about of being a good ol' boy. It's complete crap and a large number of republican voters that think they're getting a downhome little feller and like to complain about Hollywood being run by rich East Coasters that ran the banks and did their grandpappy out of the farm in the 30s don't (as you didn't) realise that they've just elected another of the fuckers to screw up their country again.

QUOTE: Far as I know Dubya was never a Rhodes or Ivy leauge canditate.
ANSWER: SniperAtWork has answered this I see. Now at least you've learnt something.

QUOTE: At least he did own up to his drug habit,drinking,and womanising.
ANSWER: Where did he own up to his drug habit? A quote from a reputable newspaper will do please.

QUOTE: "I smoked pot,but I never inhaled" "I did not have sex with Ms Lewinsinky"[sic]etc ,etc,etc? Does that sound familiar?NEITHER of them were a great credit to the armed forces.
ANSWER: Why are you so obsessed with Clinton? None of us here give a damn about him. His policies were essentially the same as Bush. Given your hatred for "welfare" you ought to be a big Clinton/Gore booster because they slashed the hell out of it. Obviously you haven't taken my advice to see Bowling For Columbine. I'm not joking: shut your piehole until you've actually watched it.

QUOTE: Nope! A green card is not the same as citzenship,
ANSWER: So why did you claim otherwise? Or is this a bizarre way of admitting that you're totally wrong again?

SUMMARY: Your trolling has fallen to an unbelievably low level. No one could be as confused and opinionated as your character. I shall not bother replying to you again.

author by Ciara Kpublication date Sun Nov 23, 2003 12:03Report this post to the editors

You're asking LG for a "quote from a reputable newspaper".

Which newspapers do you consider reputable?

I'd be interested because I find I come away from Indymedia with an even more Right Wing bias than I started with.

author by Lone Gunmanpublication date Sun Nov 23, 2003 15:20Report this post to the editors

Old phuqhead is now going back to his working class roots and has run out of arguements and is trying to insult his opponent.Typical gutter leftist tactic.Old and boring like the silly little man that you are. yes I did watch fat boy Moores propaganda piece blowing for columbine.If you belived anything in that propaganda piece,you are dumber than i thought you were.As for classes and all your other irrevalant arguements,i suppose they never existed in your workers paradise either?
your purile comment on veterans makes me sick.it is the typical comment i would expect from a somone like you ,who obvisouly has never done, will never do, and is proably too much of a coward to do anything worthwhile with their lives apart from idoliseing a system that doesnt exist anymore.May I suggest you move to N Korea and become Kim Jongs Butt boy? I never claimed the green card was the same as citzenship,read the post again.Thank you very much BTW for your unintresting class distinction lecture.about as important to anyone as what toilet paper to use.
You wont respond to my further posts.?THANK GOD!!!
You are a self concieted,self inflated with his own opinion and importance,little wannabe Communist of unknown brand,who cant see a different opinion ,and is blindly in hate of the western world,and the only place where you think you matter is on a left chat group.You are a SAD little boy!
I bid you good day sir!

author by Lone Gunmanpublication date Sun Nov 23, 2003 17:24Report this post to the editors

I'm sure we could go back to George Washington and find some obscure point to disqualify each and every president from being a man of the people. So lots of presidents went to Harvard and Yale and belonged to a peculiar Frat house and had wealthy backers. Some didnt.So your point being??? I used TR as a point to describe american politics started to be openly big busisness.No doubt you can nit pick that choice and provide very intresting links to prove me wrong.But could we stay on the point of the arguement which I belive was about idiots thinking they were going to drive the US army out of Ennis by gobbing at them?
On the point of not wanting to know Bushs mindset;let me quote you what a wise Chinaman called Sun Tzu had to say on this
Know your enemy and yourself .Your victory is assured. Know only yourself and not your enemy.Victory is not certain. Know neither your enemy nor yourself.Defeat is inevitaible.[paraphrased from the Art of War.Mandatory study material in the Chinese officer corps].
I have a funny feeling that going from your comment the whole anti US Irish movement is starting to fit sentence three.Maybe that is why noone in power takes it seriously?Dont go suggesting that because Baabaa Bertie cancelled out the Eu summits that it has anything to do with the anti war/globalization/etc movement. It has dawned on him that we are defenceless and couldnt deal with anything major.Realism for once in a politico

author by sniper at workpublication date Sun Nov 23, 2003 19:07Report this post to the editors

... for the small lesson from Sun Tzu ....

But you know upon further reflection I have decided that George Bush isn't really my enemy ... I now humbly acknowledge him as my lord and master ... I have understood the error of my ways and bow before his august majesty as a humble and obedient serf ...

I do not delude myself for one moment into believing that I could "defeat" him when two hundred and fifty odd million Americans can't do it .....

All hail the great American Caesar !
(Bring on the cheergirls ...)

Somebody give me a uniform that I may don it and shed my blood for the greater glory of the American Empire and its mighty Caesar !

author by Lone Gunmanpublication date Mon Nov 24, 2003 13:29Report this post to the editors

Sarcasm befits you ill :}

author by No Sarcasm Intendedpublication date Wed Nov 26, 2003 02:30Report this post to the editors

Let me begin by asking you all a simple question - Would a Brit imperialist soldier in uniform survive a 'shopping trip' to Ennis? Why then can Yank imperialist soldiers hope to manage the feat?

We really have to be fair but firm - to remedy the discrepancy, how's about just knee-capping all and any 'military tourists' caught parading around this country, and letting them crawl back to their hotels pissing blood?

This will admittedly be a fairly steep learning curve, but even the famously muttonheaded yankie army will eventually get the message to go occupy someone else's country, or better still, just their own.

Also, it will save the lives of a few thousand Arabs for each one thusly processed.

This equitable solution seems to be a win-win scenario - think carefully about it, post some feedback and we can then advance to the feasability study stage.

author by Patrick Carrollpublication date Mon Dec 29, 2003 03:39author email PocArBuile at livininamerica dot comauthor address http://www.livininamerica.comReport this post to the editors

Sorry, but they couldn't have been wearing babykiller uniforms. I know for sure that the USAF removed the babykiller uniform (BKU, as the troops called it) from AFR35-10 in 1975, just after the fall of Saigon. The Army followed suit (as it were) soon thereafter.

A lot of people thought the armed services were bowing to civilian pressure; worry that the BKU was a politically incorrect, or insensitive uniform. Actually, it was discarded because it didn't have the cold weather capabilities the troops would need to keep up with the Russians in any slugfest across the North German Plain.

After dropping the uniform, babykilling was dropped from Advanced Infantry Training as well. I mean, lacking the uniform, why teach the course?

So, as of 1975, the armed services had the Mess Dress Uniform - a sort of military tuxedo, class A's - a sort of military business suit, ordinary fatigues - a sort of jeans setup, and Battle Dress Uniforms (BDUs) - a sort of loose assemblage of camouflage clothing generally worn when opening cans of whoop-ass.

It's probably the similarity of "BDU" and "BKU" that got you. An easy enough mistake, if you're not aware of the history. However, were you to see the uniforms, you could never make the mistake.

You see, the BKU was essentially the Mess Dress Uniform, but with the addition of a pith helmet adorned with ostrich feathers, and a short stabbing weapon - a sort of assegai - affectionately known as the "baby sticker."

The BDU, by comparison, doesn't look terribly attractive. It's pretty comfortable to wear however. And you can barely see spit on it. Actually, the yellow-green of a really good loogie really adds to the desert-pattern camouflage.

Anyway, I hope this clears things up. Any time you have a question about the proper application of spit to a given DoD uniform, just drop me a line.


Patrick Carroll (Capt, USAF, 1985 - 1991)
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