When saints collide

by the wall with a ladder Sat Oct 18, 2003 04:14

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by iosaf Sat Oct 18, 2003 13:24

anarchists accept no leaders but are peer responsive. Saints are an odd business, we mostly think of Xian Saints, as those are the most familiar to us. We grow up with vague acceptance of the canon of semi-divinities that occupy one of the most important places of the continuing relationship between Secular and Clerical authority. Thus the national days of the western nations are deemed to be saints' day, yet the origins of saints such as Patrick, Jordi, Jorge, George are as dubious any ritualised memorial of snakes and dragons. & then on the other hand we see more Saints officially created by the supreme Clerical authority in the last 25 years. And those canonisations of JP2 would indeed prompt many to think ..."when saints collide".
I wonder where do the founders of Opus Dei collide with Mother Theresa with Maximillian Kolby, with those of a secular tradition alluded to in Phuqhead's beautiful thought provoking title; Mumia, Moore and if I may suggest- all the glorious dead.

The re-assuring thing about Saints is that one generally must be long dead before they give you a day, a statue, a hymn, a school, relics and mythology.

Mumia it is not generally thought bowled.
Moore it is not generally thought batted.
Baseball is really just like Cricket and Rounders, except at different speeds where the potential for collision is concentrated in a smaller area than other school taught games.

As an anarchist and libertarian of good conscience, I know my saints.

by a brother Sat Oct 18, 2003 19:06

Moore views are really no mystery. He is representing the views of the left liberal, social democratic sector of the White Nation. That is a lonely task since there is no social democrtic tradition in the US to speak of. It is only natural that the racism and chauvinism(his support of the General Wes Clark) inherent in the sector he is from would eventually show themselves.

He is a 'saint of the Left?' Perhaps a fallen saint of the WHITE US left.

by Lone Gunman Sat Oct 18, 2003 20:15

is only representing himself and his bank account.The man is a hyprocrite.He has the aduacity to stand on a platform with terrorists and their PR lackeys in Belfast and say that it is OK for the IRA to keep their illeagal weapons yet he then bleats and lies about the gun issue in America.His new book Dude where is my country?[original title,playing on somone elses work]Is more of the same anti Bush ,republican crap.Does the man ever come up with anything original?

by Sean Walsh Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:26

Theres a big difference between a society where guns are readily available like the US and the situation in the North. People in the US have guns to protect themselves against greedy fellow citizens. This is the core ideal of American society. Strong survive-- feck the weak.
Whereas in Northern Ireland guns were brought in to protect a nationalist community that was under siege by loyalists in the late 60s and got no help from the 'Republican Party' in power down south ( Fianna Fail in case you were wondering).
Big difference in these situations. Obviously we want a world where no guns are needed but with 'republican politiacl parties' both sides of the Atlantic, thats not going to happen in the near future. The Capitalist world we live in is like an incubator helping the violence in the world to escalate.

by Lone gunman Tue Oct 21, 2003 12:02

That firearms are and were available to buy for the poor oppressed [,at the time]republicans in the good ol gun lovin USA?Well ,maybe if the I Ran Away[as it was known at the time hadn't sold off its guns to the Welsh National Liberation Army].You would have been wiped out.But that is the problem of NI,neither side is right.What was justified in the sixties,the human rights abuses and the fight against it by any means,became a Frankenstein monster in the shape of the conflict of the last 30 years.
My gripe was Lard ass Moore,came over here with the usual Hollyweird liberal ideas of old Ireland.[The idea that we are all running around in trenchcoats,fedoras carrying Tommy guns,and liberating old mother Ireland from the Tans.] Espoused to a now criminal and terrorist group that it is OK to hold on to your AK47s,yet the fat fuck was over bitching and lying in a shite movie about a subject he obvisouly knew diddly squat about in his own country.[which BTW he has disowned,yet still claims all its benefits]].That is blatant hypocrisy Bet you wouldnt hear ol tubbaguts M[H]ooer espousing to the Bloods or Cripps to hold on to their firepower,as they are oppessed.But then he is so damn stupid he proably would.BTW The strong survive ,the weak perish.Is the basic law of survival on this planet.Its not a natural American law.Only the deluded think they can change nature.

by Mr Disco - SA (Strictly Authoritarian) Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:57

M Moore ~ M teresa
R B Barrett ~ C Dessy Connell
Marx ~ Jesus
Socialist Worker ~ Alive
Voice ~ Voice
Rally ~ Mass
Direct action ~ rosary
Chomsky ~ Dessy 2-2
Sparts ~ opus dei
Stalin ~ St Paul
Indymedia ~ stopsatan.com
weekly worker ~ weekly newsletter
trotsky ~ Luther
Labour ~ Labour
Iosaf ~ ?
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