Irish Government / British Intelligence

by they never left. Thu Jul 24, 2003 12:43

From September 1st 2003.
all those entering the USA from Spain, Italy and Portugal will be expected to present "new improved" passports.
& All dogs and cats who travel legally in the €U, Australia and NAFTA already carry microchips in the neck.

by Richard Ashcroft Thu Jul 24, 2003 14:25

if you have done nothing wrong what do you need privacy for???

by my life not theirs Thu Jul 24, 2003 18:14

Privacy is a right

by Richard Ashcroft Thu Jul 24, 2003 18:46

Not everyone who exterminated Jews were members of the Nazi party or anti-semites. Therefore if the neutral structural system was in place allowed them to be prosecuted, they must have been guilty.

by Seáinín Fri Jul 25, 2003 03:54

If you've got nothing to hide, who cares? I'm quite happy to be filmed in public areas and I feel a lot safer as a rsult.

It's only criminal scum who fear this.

by iosaf Fri Jul 25, 2003 16:00

was piloted in London by Brent Council in 2000.
It led to a sharp decline in suicides on the London Underground. It was found that intending suicides behave almost the same way, walking up and down the platform from wall to edge and miss on average three trains before they jump close to the tunnel opening.
Anyone living in London is CCTV'd 5000 times on average a day.
CCTV analysis failed to trace and catch the Brixton bomber before he had also bombed Compton St, and the East end. Despite the much vaunted inclusion of MI5 in the investigation.
CCTV coverage infringes privacy and is a serious threat to civil liberty. At the link you will see a photograph of the camera which since 2001 has stood on Plaça George Orwell in Barcelona. It was placed to discourage drug dealing and petty crime on the square which is euphemistically called "plaza trippi". I lived on the adjoining street at number 23 C/Codols for years. I remember that the drug dealers and muggers just moved around the corner out of CCTV sight.
All the residents in that area protested for these and personal libertarian reasons (that type of neighbourhood), but the key motivation in CCTV is the tendering of security contracts. There are employees executives whose mortages are paid by daily labour selling more security systems to shops, cities and local authorities. They sell fear of crime and the warped solution which is CCTV.

As on plaza Orwell "1984" as in London as in Dublin as anywhere.

Analysis of body movement, gait, swagger, is the thin edge of a very worrying body facism. Are we to really believe that the innocent citizen moves in an "innocent" way?

oh and bonus link to photo of me on that square enjoying a coffee with the gifted photographer of the X-files. {I miss you :-) we all do}
http://www.nodo50.org/x-files/bcn01/x_files_160.htm

by - Fri Jul 25, 2003 16:06

http://www.nodo50.org/x-files/bcn01/x_files_061.htm

by io Fri Jul 25, 2003 16:08

animated map of Brussels Bruxells
westvlandeeran land!

CCTV.
http://www.constantvzw.com/survcam/

i think these things ought be bagged.
of the direct action demonstrations on J18 1999
the only that did not provoke criminal charges and witchhunts and blacklisting and torture and exile were the "bagging" of the CCTV.
what you need:
a ladder
a big black bin bag.
a CCTV camera.

by robby Sat Jul 26, 2003 02:18

CCTV analysis failed to trace and catch the Brixton bomber before he had also bombed Compton St, and the East end. Despite the much vaunted inclusion of MI5 in the investigation.

But he was caught after all was'nt he? So we were sucessful?


I remember that the drug dealers and muggers just moved around the corner out of CCTV sight.

So the presence of CCTV did influence their movements?
Does'nt this suggest that CCTV should be covert and therefore invisible to the populace, if they don't know where the cameras are they will not be able to modify their behaviour?

by robby Sat Jul 26, 2003 02:32

behaviour