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US/NATO backed Kiev Neo-Nazi regime intended target Putin's plane but hit Malaysian Airline MH17 instead?
Did Putin's presidential jet fly same route about 30 minutes earlier?
Yesterday afternoon tragically 295 people lost their lives. What we do know is that if the Kiev fascist regime had any sort of tenuous proof that the separatists had shot it down the Western media would be screaming bloody murder. Instead they are quite coy and initially qualified it with the word accident. And accident of sorts it may well have been because it looks like this may have been more than yet another provocation by US/NATO via their neo-Nazi puppets in Kiev to widen the conflict but in fact may have been a direct attempt to assassinate president Putin because it has been reported his presidential plane flew over the same region approximately 30 minutes earlier. More on this later. But first some details on the lead up to this.
The plane was flying at 10,000 metres (33,000 ft) which is very high and could only have been shot down by a missile and not reachable by a shoulder launched type of heat seeking missile. It came down in Ukraine 60 km from the Russia border.
The ITAR-Tass news agency reported that:
A competent source cited objective control data as indicating that the Ukrainian army’s (i.e. the Kiev Nazis) Buk air defense battalion had been moved to the Donetsk area on Wednesday, July 16. Another such battalion is getting ready for redeployment in Kharkov.
The source said aircraft flying at altitudes higher than 10,000 meters could be reached only by weapons like S-300 or
Buk systems. The militia does not have and cannot have such weapons, the source said.
And From RT: The Donetsk People's Republic PM Aleksandr Boroday has called the incident a "provocation by the Ukrainian military".
"We confirm that the plane crashed not far from Donetsk," Boroday said. "Representatives of Donetsk People's Republic have headed to the scene of the plane search."
"Self-defense forces have no air-defense, which could target transport aircraft at that height," he told Interfax.
"We have only MANPADs (portable anti-aircraft missile complex) which hit targets at 3-4 kilometers," Sergey Kavtaradze, representative for Donetsk People’s Republic PM, also told journalists.
It is reported that the black box recorders have been found by the local anti-Kiev militia and intend to hand them over to Russia authorities as they don't trust the Kiev regime to properly investigate the incident.
The context to the conflict so far is that the Kiev neo-Nazi forces have been suffering badly in their clashes over the past few months with the separatists because much of the real Ukrainian army melted away as there are not many people in Ukraine who actually want to fight for these thugs who are in power so that the country can be stripped clean by the IMF and Western capital as very severe austerity is in the works.
The Kiev regime has already imposed widespread repression, had banned the Russia language, attacked and killed civilians in the Eastern cities with bombings, airstrikes and shootings and murdered protestors in Odessa back in May by locking them into House of Trade Unions building and burning the building down. Those who tried to escape were beaten to death. The regime is very outwardly neo Nazi and racist and are one of the most regressive groups to seize power in a long time. And all losing sides need an injection in the arm. In the case of Syria we have seen time and time again the foreign Jihadists fighters who have run a bombing and murder campaign for several years now in Syria and financed and backed by Saudi, Qatar and USA/UK intelligence with considerable Turkish support, have been pushed back and defeated many times and there have been multiple provocations to escale the conflict to the point where the use of 'humanitarian' bombing can be justified. The extremism went as far as Middle Eastern and Western backed terrorists carrying out a chemical weapons attack and then trying but failing to pin it on the Assad regime. The situation in Ukraine is in many respects very similar.
However returning to the possibility raised earlier, perhaps the key to this tragic affair hinges on whether Putin's plane flew the same route shortly before the attack because he was returning from Brazil (where the creation of a BRICS development bank with $50 billion capital was setup and is designed as an alternative to the IMF for BRICS countries). To give some credence to this, the dimensions and colourings of the Russian presidential plane and the Malaysian plane were very alike as seen in the image below and if his was the intended target then it would put the whole incident in a completely different and far more dangerous sphere and plugs directly into the financial war taking place where the US dollar is struggling to retain its status as global reserve currency, manipulation of the gold market and the recent announcement of a huge $800 billion deal between Russia and China for trade in energy which would use their own currencies and NOT use the dollar. Currently all international trade, including oil is done in dollars creating a huge artificial demand for the currency of a country that no longer produces much except military hardware and propaganda out of Hollywood. Official Russian government reports deny that he flew over the conflict region but it is difficult to ascertain whether this is true or not and they are covering up the embarrassment and security lapse of such a near miss.
Quoting from RT
Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 295, Interfax news agency reports citing sources.
"I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time," a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity.
"The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical", the source added.
Another compelling fact of this case is this is the second Malaysian airline to reach a tragic end. Flight MH370 disappeared over the Indian Ocean in March and it is widely believed it was some sort of hijack. It had completely changed course. Despite all of the coverage around the incident, there was little mention of the massive US military airbase on the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean which is within 500 miles of where it allegedly went down. Given the massive ramp up and spending on the Cyber attack capabilities of the US in recent years which has rapidly developed, hijack may have been a form of cyber hijack in which control of the plane was taken over and it is unclear what happened after that but certainly in the development of such these new offensive capabilities one can conclude that a real life test of these systems is bound to ocur and there was no better candidate for Washington than Malaysia because their outright refusal to follow the Washington consensus. In the late 1990s during the Asian crisis Malaysia threw out the IMF and Washington has forgotten that disobedience. Beside cosying up to China in recent years and thereby breaking ranks with the US-Anglo global dominance has also displeased the US. After all in light of the Snowden leaks about the NSA in the past year or so, the level, capabilities and extent of spying and disruption carried out by the intelligence agencies is far beyond what even most people and activists could conceive of a few short years ago. And the pervasiveness is staggering. Combine this with the technology and capabilities demonstrated by drones and the utter contempt for human life where already thousands of people, mainly in Afghanistan and Pakistan have been killed in these drone attacks, it is not very hard to imagine that the lives of civilians of the 'disobedient' nation of Malaysia don't count for much either.
Therefore whatever happened to MH370 in March, it seems rather odd and coincidental that another Malaysian airliner is hit. If this was a random missile that went wrong or was intended for another plane, it still seems odd that it was a Malaysian plane. A more logical explanation is that the attack was some kind of pretext to cause worldwide outrage and blame it on the separatists & Russia and in this way turn public opinion against Russia and justify new attacks and broadening of the conflict. The game plan afterall in installing the neo Nazi puppets in Ukraine was to plunder the country and bring in NATO and provoking civil war along the Russia border which is exactly what is happening. The next stage of the plan is to push these disturbances further East making use of the many different ethnic groups inside Russia to bring chaos and a series of rolling Color Revolutions and hopefully to the breakup of Russia thereby removing one of only two powers that can pose any serious challenge to Washington. With Yeltsin they nearly succeeded in destroying the country.
Where things went wrong for the attackers and their handlers is that the plane was not full of Malaysians and instead there were 154 Dutch people on board. The European countries have so far allowed themselves and some willingly, to be bullied by the US into publicaly supporting the neo Nazis in Kiev and imposing sanctions on Russia but now that so many Dutch have been killed it may not be so easy to turn this into a stick to bash the separatists and Russians and there will be many high up in Dutch government, military and intelligence circles who know exactly what the bigger game is and will not be so enthusiastic to go along with it anymore.
Already in the press the Western media have utilised social media to plant stories of tapped telephone calls from the leader of the separatists claiming that had shot down the plane. Such false stories have to be put into the context of what makes sense, is logical and the wider agenda. On the other hand reproduce here is a set of tweets from a Spanish air traffic controller working in Kiev who strongly suggests this was carried out by Ukraine.
Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing #MH17
Eyewitness Accounts July 18, 2014 Comments: 11
Translated from Spanish by Luis Lopez
Source: Tweets by Spanish Air Controller - @spainbuca
CHRONOLOGY OF @spainbuca’s TWITTER FEED
10:21 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos
“Kiev Authorities, trying to make looks like an attack by pro-Russian”
10:24 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Ojo! Que puede ser un derribo B777 Malaysia Airlines en ukraine, 280 pasajeros
“warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers”
10:25 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba
“Warning! Kiev have what they wanted”
10:25 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en Kiev
“[Miitary] has taken control of ATC in Kiev”
10:27 - 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado
“The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed”
10:30 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Avión derribado, derribados, derribado no accidente
“Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident”
10:31 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT
“Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT”
10:35 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de kiev,
“An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport”
10:35 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro
“they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment”
10:38 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev
“Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev”
11:12 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Nosotros tenemos la confirmación. Avión derribado, la autoridad de kiev, ya tiene la información, derribado, estamos tranquilos ahora
“We have confirmation. Plane downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now”
11:13 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información
“What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information”
11:15 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuando sea posible sigo escribiendo
“When possible I´ll keep writing”
11:48 - 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,
The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar,
11:54 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza
“If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter”
12:00 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?
“Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?”
12:00 - 17 de jul. de 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí
“7:00 minutes after [plane dissapeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here ”
12:01 - 17 de jul. de 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también
“all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also”
13:15 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos
“Here the military commanders manage and support it could be military following other orders , but no, the pro-Russian”
13:29 - 17 de jul. de 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, .
“Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.”
13:31 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden
“Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from”
13:36 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko
“Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way, ordered by timoshenko [following timishenko orders]”
13:38 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos
“The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes”
13:43 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo
13:45 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos
“Airspace is closed, more downings feared”
15:17 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil
“military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile”
15:23 - 17 de jul. de 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno,,,, , derribado
“Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot down”
15:26 - 17 de jul. de 2014 En el informe se indica de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes
“The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas”
15:34 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no
“Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t”
15:36 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, ,,alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine
“military high command did not gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of ukraine”
15:38 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Para el que no lo sepa, digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior
“For those who do not know, Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister”
15:38 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, .
“The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .”
16:06 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine,
“Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,”
16:07 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares que si lo sabían y otros mandos que no,
“military commanders that knew it and others didn´t ,”
16:08 - 17 de jul. de 2014 290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero
“290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money”
16:09 - 17 de jul. de 2014 La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos
“Thw way the control tower was taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made ??us think that they [made it]”
16:10 - 17 de jul. de 2014 La cara de los militares que llegaron más tarde diciendo pero que habéis echo, no dejo dudas
“The face of the soldiers who came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts”
16:12 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Es tal la decadencia que los militares acompañados de extranjeros que llegaron primero nos llegaron a pedir que dijéramos su versión
“Such is the decline that military who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell their version”
16:13 - 17 de jul. de 2014 Nuestra respuesta, fue, estos radares no recogen el lanzamiento de misiles, los militares si, ya no quedaban dudas
“Our response was, these radars do not collect the launching of missiles, the military ones does, there were no doubts”