Wolfe Tone Commemoration , Bodenstown.

by Sharon. - Individual. Wed Jun 01, 2011 16:43

The main oration at this Wolfe Tone Commemoration will be delivered by Galway Councillor Tomás Ó Curraoin , and a bus for same will leave from Aston Quay in Dublin at 12.45PM , táille ten Euro per seat (return) .
Thanks,
Sharon.

Wolfe Tone Commemoration , Sunday 12th June 2011.

by W. Finnerty Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:10

I wonder if there will be any mention of the very clinically "air brushed from history" United Irishman Peter Finnerty (1766-1822)?

Related links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Finnerty and http://www.indymedia.ie/article/98076#comment274942

by Damien M - PW Thu Jun 02, 2011 15:09

I wonder what Tone, Ireland's most famous Church of Ireland member, would make of the reciting of De Rosaree at RSF commemorations around the country....

by W. Finnerty Thu Jun 02, 2011 17:00

"Thomas Paine and his Rights of Man were extremely influential in promoting this ideal in Ireland. In September, 1791, Irishman Theobald Wolfe Tone published 'Argument on Behalf of the Catholics of Ireland' which maintained that religious division was a tool of the elite to…(balance) the one party by the other, plunder and laugh at the defeat of both' and put forward the case for unity between Catholic, Protestant and Dissenter. Tone's pamphlet was hugely influential. Tone and friend Thomas Russell became passionate fighters for Catholic Rights. A group of nine Belfast Presbyterians interested in reforming Irish Parliament read Tone's pamphlet and liked his ideas. They invited Tone and Russell to Belfast where the group met on October 14, 1791. At this first meeting, the group, which became known as the United Irishmen, passed the following three resolutions:

1.That the weight of English influence in the Government of this country is so great as to require a cordial union among all the people of Ireland, to maintain that balance which is essential to the preservation of our liberties and the extension of our commerce;

2.That the sole constitutional mode by which this influence can be opposed is by a complete and radical reform of the people in Parliament;

3.That no reform is just which does not include Irishmen of every religious persuasion."

The above excerpt, which would not be to the liking of our present set of "Ruling Elites" I suspect, anymore than it was to those of Wolf Tone's time, has been copied from the following location:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_United_Irishmen

by Sharon. - Individual. Thu Jun 02, 2011 23:57

Hi Damien !

" I wonder what Tone, Ireland's most famous Church of Ireland member, would make of the reciting of De Rosaree at RSF commemorations around the country...."

"...around the country.." or on selective occasions , when the family concerned request same ?
For instance - the Rosary , or any other prayer , is not recited at the GPO in Dublin before , during or after any RSF Easter Commemoration , nor is it recited at the RSF-organised Annual Eve of All Ireland Rally or the Annual RSF 'Bloody Sunday' Commemoration etc etc.
Where are you getting your 'information' from , Damien - a 'higher' source , perhaps.....
Thanks,
Sharon.

by Fearbolg - S2S Fri Jun 03, 2011 00:54

would spell The Rosary like that has no respect for the hundreds of thousand of people in this country who still go to Mass and

the Sacraments, in other words the ordinary people of Ireland. Showing contempt for the majority of Irish citizens won't score any

points against RSF, it only shows the author to be a bigot and an idiot. And yes we have seen The Omen. A lousy movie.

by W. Finnerty Fri Jun 03, 2011 09:48

How have we ended up with such narrow views on republican forms of government, and the wide range of people and groups who have supported them since the days of Ancient Greece at least?

"The word 'republic' is derived from the Latin phrase 'res publica', which can be translated as 'a public affair', and often used to describe a state using this form of government."

The above excerpt has been copied from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic

Basically, there seems to me to be just two main forms of government:

"Government of the people, by the people, for the people" and "Government of the ruling elites, by the ruling elites, for the ruling elites".

Although I believe I know which form of government Wolf Tone and his fellow United Irishmen supported, I'm genuinely unsure about which side RSF and many other political groups and parties are really on? It often appears to me that political groups who claim to be "republican" are (in reality) little more than "ruling elites" of one kind (at heart) trying to replace some other group of virtually identical "ruling elites": often through the ballot box, and under the pretence of genuine democracy.

What choice did "Republic (so called) of Ireland" voters have at the general election earlier this year: "six" of one type of "ruling elites", or "half a dozen" of the other?

And where, especially with regard to current issues such as "bankers bailouts" and the "giveaway" of the our oil and gas resources for example, do all of our present set of "elected representatives" (so called) stand at the present time -- in reality -- regarding their support for the basic set of republican principles expressed in the following piece of text:

"All powers of government, legislative, executive and judicial, derive, under God, from the people, whose right it is to designate the rulers of the State and, in final appeal, to decide all questions of national policy, according to the requirements of the common good": which, as some will already know, is the full text of Article 6.1 of Bunreacht na hEireann, the Basic Law of the Republic of Ireland?

by Sharon. - Individual. Fri Jun 03, 2011 16:39

Hi W. Finnerty !

"Although I believe I know which form of government Wolf Tone and his fellow United Irishmen supported, I'm genuinely unsure about which side RSF and many other political groups and parties are really on....?"

This - "We declare in the words of the Irish Republican Proclamation the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies to be indefeasible, and in the language of our first President. Pádraíg Mac Phiarais, we declare that the Nation's sovereignty extends not only to all men and women of the Nation, but to all its material possessions..."
- and other pointers re your query about 'which side RSF are on' can be viewed at the 'Related Link' below.
Thanks,
Sharon.

by W. Finnerty Sun Jun 05, 2011 09:23

"We prate and babble, and write books, and publish them, filled with sentiments of freedom, and abhorrence of tyranny, and lofty praises of the Rights of Man! Yet we are content to hold three millions of our fellow creatures, and fellow subjects, in degradation and in infamy, and contempt, or to sum up all in one word, in Slavery!" (This statement was made by Wolfe Tone.)

"Dept Slavery" comes next for the present "three millions" plus Republic of Ireland citizens: if we're not all very vigilant, and very cautious?

Using the e-mail at the address provided just below, the above Wolfe Tone comment has been sent to 83 Republic of Ireland TDs (half of the total 166):
http://www.humanrightsireland.com/Dail31TDs/Group1of2/3...l.htm

A very similar e-mail has been sent to the Group which makes up the second half of our TDs, and it can be viewed at:
http://www.humanrightsireland.com/Dail31TDs/Group2of2/3...l.htm