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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23who is asking?
Because it is obviously from An Phoblacht and I am curious who it was whose view we are reading. Is that such a crime, it is ok with you, Mr ... to ask for articles to be attributed ? May I have your permission to ask McMean to source his posts ? Please ?
McMean's posts are 99% from An Poblacht.
I respectfully suggest you source articles and maybe do a digest for this site if the above commentee is indeed correct about the 99% An Phoblacht source for your posts.
I mean this in the context of days where you publish a string of articles.
I will keep that in mind
The newswire should not be a clearing house for articles you find interesting in on phoblaucht. We'd ask you if you are to does, post one article to the newswire containing just the links to the articles elsewhere on the web.
Anyone?????
because you want the label to have more weight than the words of the article.
I suggest you take the meaning of the article from the words of the article.
Why is the author of this article such a big secret? Hello? What is the problem here?
ok I hope you are happy now
This isn't just about the source and author.
We're asking instead of posting three or four posts to the newsire at a go. You post the summary and the author, and links to all the articles, in one post.
As you can gather there is a great deal of frustration brewing from users of this site over your behaviour. This would help matters greatly
McMean, is that Jim Gibney of Sinn Fein?
It seems to me very important that you're passing off an article written by a SF activist as objective journalism. If you didn't write the article yourself, you should at least tell the readers that it was written by somebody who is closely involved in politics and somebody whose views are republican, not objective...
If it is already published elsewhere on the Internet, you should also just write a summary and post a link to the full article...
There are a lot of newsworthy events happening throughout Ireland and spamming this newswire with stuff about two bunches of street thugs fighting over territory is off-putting to a lot of people...
PS: I believe in a united Ireland and have nothing against Sinn Fein. I just don't like the way you have posted SF propaganda and tried to hide its real source... It reminds me of the way so-called "indepedent" journalists use the mainstream press to spread the views of Bush and Blair while claiming to be objective.
objectivity is impossible, but as linguist and media theorist Noam Chomsky has said it is an ideal for journalists like me to strive for despite the impossibility of it being achieved. Language (choice of words, structure, inferences etc) is subjective.
MrMG why do you want the label to have more weight than the words of the article.
Are you not capable enough to judge the words of this article on there own merit?
Or are you pathetic propagandists with an agenda of discrediting thoughts and ideas?
Because that is how you words strike me.
Because the fact is anyone can post an article to the wire McMean is not keeping them from that.
What is it you do not like about the article Mr?
Thank you for FINALLY posting the name of the author of the article. To the idiot who keeps insisting to know who the author of a piece is to "label" something and not take the ideas it is presenting into account, get real. It helps to know who the author is/where they are coming from in order to critically analyse what they are saying. That it was Jim Gibney who wrote it puts things into perspective; Jim Gibney is a good writer and I take him far more seriously than some other writers that have been presented on this site (including others who write for An Phoblacht, not exactly an objective/agendaless source!). Of course thinking for ones' self doesn't seem to be a strong point for many of the posters here.
I do not want to read things posted by shinners.
If I had my way I'd have them all censored, or even better locked up (preferably without trial).
The objection to this article is not the article, but the fact that Mc Mean has posted dozens of articles on the newswire over a long period of time, without quoting a source (which is obvious).
It's an abuse of the principles of Indymedia and wearing a little thin. This site was not set up as a clearing house for an phoblacht.
If Donald Rumsfeld or Paul Wolfowitz or any of the Pentagon war-mongers were writing articles under a psuedonym, pretending to be a journalist, it would be disgraceful. I'm simply applying the same standards to Sinn Fein...
I actually enjoyed the article, although I read a much better one about the Robert Fisk lecture in the Irish Times yesterday...
The problem with McMean is that he is posting articles written by somebody else without posting any byline. This is an age-old propaganda tactic and is used to hide one-sided arguments under the guise of "objective" journalism...
I also agree with Mr Working Journalist, objectivity is impossible. (Hunter S Thompson said: "The phrase itself is a pompous contradiction in terms.") When I used the word, I meant that the author should be non-aligned (i.e. not a member of a political party). The fact remains that Jim Gibney is a member of Sinn Fein and is not, therefore, an objective journalist.
I would not have had any problem with the article if the person who posted it was upfront from the beginning. When I read articles by Robert Fisk, John Pilger, George Monbiot, etc, I like to know whose work I'm reading. When I see those names, I know that the article was written by people who have a history of telling things like they are and who have won internationally recognised awards for their journalism, not by politicians trying to force their views down people's throats...
At least when SWP/GR post stuff to this newswire, they make it clear that they are SWP or GR. (The same goes for any other political or lobby group)This gives the reader context before he/she reads the article.
basicly you are saying people can not trust their judgement of an story from the words in the story but must have a lable on the story to know what the story is about.
I feel you are wrong and your argument is at excuse to pass judgement on a story even before one reads it.
You're not reading MG's point.
If this was a once off, fair enough, but Mc Mean consistently republishs stuff on the newswire and not giving the source or author.
MGs argument is that (if i have this right) is that by consistently reposting and without giving the authors name, or orginal publisher the work can be misconstruted as the work of somebody else. Also using Indymedia as a clearing house of other people's work is an abuse of the principles of IMC.
I'm tired of McMean ramming his viewpoint down our throats and people are asking him politely to stop.
Mr ??,
I'm getting sick of making my point clearly only to have it misinterpreted. My objection to McMean's articles is that they are written by a Sinn Fein activist whose only interest is the promotion of Sinn Fein. If McMean had made this clear from the outset, there wouldn't be any problem. But he tried to hide the fact that the article was written by Jim Gibney, and that smacks of propaganda...
Imagine if I started bombarding this site with pro-Nice Treaty stories written by Bertie Ahern and Mary Harney, except instead of signing the article as Bertie or Mary, I decided to call myself McNice...
Would this be acceptable? I think not...