No to Lisbon

by Kay Thu Sep 03, 2009 18:17

Do the exact opposite to what our ruling elites (here in Ireland and elsewhere) are now pleading and begging us to do: and vote "NO".

Otherwise, the ruling elites really will shit down on us all: and from an ALMIGHTY height -- if by any chance they somehow manage to get the Lisbon Treaty through.

A further advantage in voting "NO" is that it will put the Republic of Ireland right at the very centre of Europe (and the whole world in fact): the HEALTHY centre that is, where, among other things, genuine democracy is vigorously and thoughtfully supported by decent people on behalf of all the many millions of Europeans who have not been given a chance to vote on this core issue, and who are all SHAMELESSLY being denied their right to democracy by the thoughtless ruling elites who are apparently without conscience, as they prove over and over, again and again -- as with the billions of Euros bail-outs for bankers (plus impunity!!) for instance.

by Monnet - No to Lisbon Thu Sep 03, 2009 15:32

NO Again

The sentiment is high at present in Ireland. FF ratings are lower than ever and people are beginning to think, for the first time in a long time, about our country and where we stand in relation to the EU and the world in general.

They have told us that we are moving forward towards a 'Knowledge Economy' so let us embrace the notion and set up the necessary think tanks to secure our basic needs. We need to look to Broadband first, we need to look the speed of broadband and the coverage we were promised and which now is an if and a maybe. Broadband is part of Ireland's 'Finery' of the present, it is the marketing of our Knowledge economy, with a worldwide audience to be tapped into. It is the language of our young people but more importantly of our life long learners. This is where we have arrived at in Ireland. We have moved to the new brigade of life long learners and the time has come to promote it. We also need to take account of the input of people with disabilities to our Society. No longer can we stereotype people, we just have to listen to programmes on RTE like Outside the Box or Mind Matters to see how we have penetrated new sources of ideas and direction.

There is another group of people we need to note. If you read the EU literature you will find the group called the intergenerational people. Yes, people are living longer, people are having children later in life but demographics have identified a problem of a sandwich group of people caught in the middle of both minding parents and minding children. Gerontology studies are now being carried out in the leading Universities worldwide and even here in Ireland (between Trinity College and St. James's Hospital. All of this leads to a generative group of people staving off old age and promotion of greater activity between generations.

No Again.....We must look to the advantages also of EU membership and a lot of work has been done for socially excluded groups of people as above. However, this does not take away from 'the gravy train mentality' and the masses of ineffective and wasteful bureaucracy that has built up at the EC over the last 40 years.

EU as with other bodies are highly focused on the word standardisation. Perhaps now, more than ever, after the hectic Celtic Tiger, we need to become more aware of those who wish to impose 'standards'. We have a banking crisis but we also must acknowledge that inspite of deregulation we in Southern Ireland have benefited for nearly two decades from the incentivised banking that was part of the Tax break system. Ok I agree, that the problem is that rather than lessen the social divide, we may have deepened it but then the answer to this will only come from future research.

What we have is NOW and what we need to do is to embrace the knowledge economy and read books recently recommended by say Vincent Browne and others (e.g. The Spirit Level, or Putnam Bowling Alone). There are answers.

by NoAgain - The Anti-Organisation Wed Sep 02, 2009 20:41

Cowam was really poor on Six-One tonight, Micheal Martin is not up to it at the moment - and, best news of all, there is no sign of any canvass at all by the Fianna Failers. No way will they go out and canvass because the Party is sick, tired and fed up , and afraid of their revolting grass roots all over the country > I see a miserable Letter To The Editor Again for a Yes Vote from Liam Aylward MEP in his local newspaper, but people are so bored stiff off it all that nobody ever bothers to reply.

But the people are up in arms, now is the time, through all the wind and the rain, to descend upon the doorsteps and offer them leadership, not just a No Vote to Lisbon but actual leadership against the cuts, against the Billions Bail Out of the Bankers, against the NAMA that would reduce us to Famine, these are all the issues with which to hit the doorsteps now - we can have a revolution in this country in a month, the people are up for it , hit the doorsteps and lead them now, a No Vote now can change Irish history !

by NoAgain - The Anti-Organisation Wed Sep 02, 2009 20:20

Yes, Bono & U2 shifted about 70 millions of theirs out of the country fast, to Holland and further afield - after all the arsing up to Aherne they did to get planning permission to destroy the Quay. These guys take your money and run, they'll be voting Yes as well, but they'll never allow their millions next or near Ireland again.

by Monnet - No to Lisbon Wed Sep 02, 2009 13:34

What do all of our Economists suggest....i.e. in excess of 40 of them to avoid the forebodings of doom that the media portrays?

The freebie newspaper, the Metro has a neat little piece today by Sarah Stack.

'Emigrants return to boost recovery'.......

Now here is a thought. This is our diaspora. Is it possible that certain wealthy Irish people will move their tax affairs back to their home country?

Apparently, our Taoiseach has issued an invitation to some of our 'successful' people to return home and help pull the country out of recession. This is not a first, I would suggest. Something similar happened in the times of Sean Lemass with the exclusive elite group called TACA aligned.

Some 180 deemed influential people have been asked to attend an economic forum in Dublin. The aim is some head banging and ideas generation with the objective to beef up economic recovery.

People include: Sir Bob Geldof, Quantas Chief Executive Alan Joyce and billionaire tax exile Dermot Desmond.

Look out for this Global Irish Economic Forum which is to be held in Farmleigh towards the end of September. What a venue - the Phoenix Park in all the autumnal shades ought to invoke a sense of patriotism in some of those Irish diaspora and in particular those tax exiles of choice.

by NoAgain - The Anti-Organisation Wed Sep 02, 2009 03:35

Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi last night ranted and raved and told the E.U. just where to get off.

He told the E.U. that he expects every member of the Council of Ministers to keep their mouths shut !

It was all a row over the latest tragedy of Libyan asylum seekers being turned back in the mediteranean by the Italian Navy.

The E.U. has not, at the time of posting, issued any reply to Berlusconi's challenge to them - they're too busy tring to pry his jackboot out of their posteriors .

Surely E.U. Treaties and protocols don't mean much if this is how a member state Prime Minister can treat the E.U. and all its protocols - with total contempt :-)

While our pathetic Irish Government + Fine Gael, Labour etc tell us to cravenly cringe to the E.U. by voting Yes when we already voted No.

Silvia Belusconi has threatened to " put a spoke into the E.U." unless they give into him.

He demanded that the Council of Ministers be gagged, and that any of them who talks about Italy's affairs be fired if they dare question Italy's treatment of asylum seekers !

Where now the Lisbon Treaty, looks like that along with all the other EU Treaties and Protocols t doesn't matter a damn .

We are being conned here in Ireland, on all the so-called guarantees, if a powerful Member State Prime Minister can blast and demand what he likes !

by Saoirse Wed Sep 02, 2009 00:57

So now the ultra-right wing, anti-immigrant, anti-abortion Cóir group are part of the united front? My, my...

by Neil Mon Aug 31, 2009 15:53

Hard to believe an 'individual' had to take this step, it should have been organised a LONG time ago.

Good stuff

by We the People Mon Aug 31, 2009 14:03

We the people will be there.

Our Constitution will be made inferior to the new Union.

It requires us to do the following..............Par. 6: "No provision of this (Irish) Constitution invalidates Laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the state that are necessitated by the obligations of membership of the European Union...,or prevents laws enacted,acts done or measures adopted by the said European Union or by institutions therof,or by bodies competent under the treaties referred to in this section,from having the force of law in the state."

To put it simply. The Irish Constitution will be essentially REDUNDANT and will be overruled by the EU Constitution/Lisbon Treaty if it is ratified...and after 800 years of tyranny this would be an insult to the People who gave their lives for the freedom we have today and so flippantly ignore.

by Rage against Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:22

ANGER IS A GIFT

your braindead, youve got a f**kin bullet in yer head

by NoToLiSbOn Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:19

The NAMA demonstration is also on this day, but its 2 hours later... almost, but not quite a clash!

I presume all the anti lisbon peeps will just go to the NAMA demo afterwards!

No to NAMA - No to Lisbon - No to Capitalism!