Gaza starves as the world does a Pontius Pilate?

by TD - FPC Sun Apr 27, 2008 13:32

More!

Cartoon on back of t-shirt again by Latuff

by TD - FPC Sun Apr 27, 2008 13:34

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by Andy Sun Apr 27, 2008 16:24

Nice one Tommy,
Good to see the campaign back on the street. Cant keep a good man down!

by Mike Novack Sun Apr 27, 2008 17:57

The problem is that we seem unable to address the plight of the Palestinians properly because of POLITICAL considerations (can't afford to take a "wrong" stand on the broader issues of the conflict).

Let me try to explain that.

We can't seem to address the issue "the Palestinians don't have supplies" because unwilling to propose solutions to that which are neutral with regard to the right of Israel to exist. THUS .....

It is wrong (of Israel) to oppose the proposal that the UN or whoever is interested in making this happen that frieghters full of supplies arrive and offload onto Gaza beaches or proposals that supplies be allowed to come into the West Bank via Jordananian land routes or air space.

However it is wrong of us to insist that the culprit is Israel for not allowing supplies/people in and out THROUGH ISRAEL --- to argue in that way is to argue that Israel does not have the right of existence as an independent state. The fact that bringing in supplies through Israel would be much cheapr and more convenient does not give us the right to DEMAND that (unless we mean to be taking a position on the right of Israel to exist).

Understand what I am saying here? Nobody is willing to make proposals to solve the problem of the Palestinians in a way that recognizes Israel -- politically unacceptable. Look folks, Israel OWES to the Palestinians a full and total end of the occupation, owes it to them to let them organize a free and independent Palestinian state, to survive as best they can, and in peace with their more powerful neighbor if they choose to do so. BUT (very big but)

1) There would be no obligation, and no righteous demand on our part that Israel allow ANY crossing of its border with this free Palestinain state. Israel wouldNOT be surrounding either part. The fact that the only existing ECONOMIC routes for people and goods would be through Israel is not Israel's fault (other than by existing) and not WRONGDOING on Israel's part to either have access totally closed OR extract a price for a negoitated concession.

2) There would be no obligation, and no righteous demand on our part that Israel excersize restaint if people of this now free Palestinian state, bearing the responsibilities as well as the priveleges of statehood, chose to attack Israel across the border. It is accepted that in this situation it is the call of the attacked state whether it considers the state from which the attacks come to be doing an adequate job of trying to control "bandits" or whether a sate pof war now exists between the states. Again, Israel woudl be entitled to extract a price for negotiated restarint.

There's no bloody much the Palestinians have to bargain with that the Israelis might want EXCEPT conceeding their claim to Jerusalem. Sorry, but "peace" the Israelis don't need from them as the Israelis would crush them in battle (and only need take care not to OCCUPY to bear no responsibility for the survival of the civilian population).

by Yumiko - Parliament Square Peace Camp supporter Mon Apr 28, 2008 20:12

Following the recent solidarity visit of the Free Palestine Campaign to Brian Haw in Parliament Square, I'll post a new video which were made by We Are Change UK - they also support Brian Haw actively.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzMlFFQ2oqQ

Members of We Are Change UK interview ex BBC World presenter, Phil Hayton.
We Are Change UK website: http://www.wearechange.org.uk

by Mary Kelly Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:47

and solid solidarity, well done to all +Mr D.

by Irish citizen Tue Apr 29, 2008 14:18

The Hamas government who run Gaza do not recognise the right of the state of Israel to exist.
Palestinian schoolchildren are taught to hate Jews, are indoctrinated with the most extreme form of intolerant Islamic fundementalism and suicide bombings and the murder of innocent Jewish men women and children is glorified.
The Hamas organisation are firing shrapnel filled rockets at Israeli border towns.
Hamas terrorists have launched attacks over the Israeli border.
Israel does not occupy the Gaza strip and all Jewish settlements were removed in 2005.
Hamas is not interested in peace only the destruction of Israel and explusion and/or genocide of the Jewish people.
The Hamas organisation has the support of the majority of Gazans.
Why should Israel tolerate this situation?
Why would any nation on earth tolerate this situation?

It is truly bizarre that Socialists and the Left would be willfully blind to the fanatical religious psychopathology of Hamas, an ideological bedfellow of Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Hamas organisation seek not just the destruction of Israel but the establishement of a global caliphate.

They are opposed to women's rights, homosexual rights, they advocate the stoning of adulterers, cutting off the hands of thieves, beheading infidels (who include everyone who is nonMuslim) the support democracy only as long as Islamists like themselves are elected and they support the murder of men women and children to achieve their ends.

Hamas are terrorist murderers and killers.

They are Nazis and you twits who care not a jot about the consequences for Israelis who live thousands of miles away are the cheerleaders of terrorists.

by Frank Tue Apr 29, 2008 16:16

The Israeli government who run the occupied territories do not recognise the right of the state of Palestine to exist.
Israeli schoolchildren are taught to hate Arabs, are indoctrinated with the most extreme form of intolerant Zionist fundementalism and through army service involving the murder of innocent Palestinian men women and children is glorified.
The Israeli regimeare firing shrapnel filled rockets at Reurters reporters and unarmed women and kids.
Zionist terrorists have launched attacks over the Israeli border.
Israel does still occupy the Gaza strip and all Jewish settlements were removed in 2005 to make that easier when firing indiscriminately.
Israel is not interested in peace only the destruction ofPalestinian Nationalism and explusion and/or genocide of the people.
The Hamas organisation has the support of the majority of Gazans.
Why should Hamas tolerate this occupation ?
Why would any nation on earth tolerate this situation?

It is truly bizarre that anybody would be willfully blind to the fanatical religious psychopathology of Israel, an ideological bedfellow of South African Apartheid.

The Israeli regime seek not just the destruction of Gazan society but the establishement of a racist apartheid state on all of mandate Palestine.

They are opposed to Human rights, internaitonal law, they advocate the torture of innocent people kidnappin children, oppressing its own citizens( include everyone who is non-Jewish) they support democracy only as long as Zionist Jews like themselves are elected and they support the murder of men women and children to achieve their ends.

The Israeli regime are terrorist murderers and killers.

They are Nazis and you twits who care not a jot about the consequences for International Human rights are the cheerleaders of terrorists.

by Latuff Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:33 latuff at uninet dot com dot br

For me as an artist, advocate for Palestine and human being, is a great honour to have my cartoons reproduced by activists like those ones. Without them, my art wouldn't be alive today.

Thank you very much, all of you.

by Yousuf Loughnane - NUIG Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:26 uniteblasian at gmail dot com

Well done Tommy, without you a lot of Irish would fall into the faeces-filled trap that that gobshite calling himself "Irish citizen" has slipped into.
Frank, fair play to you, I think that put the bastard on the straight and narrow.

by E.Fox - LY Wed Apr 30, 2008 20:02

Great to see TD back on the streets. Keep it up!

by Daniel Ha Cohen - private citizen Thu May 08, 2008 16:04 Prestwich, Greater Manchester, UK

First, I am old enough to remember as a witness, the world before 1967. The Arab states and PLO guerillas did not leave Israel alone then, when she was in the Green Line which the Arabs did not recognise as a border for two decades - and the current war was on then as a vicious exchange of patrols along the borders. The Arab War on Israel is not caused by 1967, but was caused by Arab refusal to accept UN 181 in 1947 which the Palestinians still refuse, or they would not have rocketed Israel after her withdrawal from Gaza - a splendid piece of political incompetence because if the Arabs had kept quiet Israel would have left most of the West Bank too. Now that is unlikely, "in the foreseeable future."

Yes Israel owes recognition to an Arab state in Palestine under 181 but all Arabs owe Israel recognition that she is self determinedly independent from the Arab World in the same way that Pakistan - an equally religious foundation with refugees - is independent from Hindu India. Why an Irish discussion of all platforms, can not understand that Arab imperialism is as out of order as British imperialism is a nice puzzle. An even odder behaviour is that the Irish are justifiably proud - with Israelis - that they succeeded in establishing their state sub rosa despite British presence so that it stood up when the British left. Perhaps some Palestinista could explain why the PLO / PA / Hamas cannot make its state stand up effectively as a responsible state? I suggest they do not wish to be a state because that would involve accepting the World status quo for states of being responsible and peaceful with the neighbours' states and having to do some serious economics.

So much for "high" theory of statehood. Gaza is not starving. I have taught in British industrial towns long enough to recognise undernourished faces and all the Arabs on TV are plump faced and well girthed. Second Hamas has to explain why and where it has sequestered all the fuel and much of the food already supplied? and why it attacks fuel tanker lorries? Third when is the PLO, & PA minions going to disgorge the embezzled aid €U aid money? Most important: all the entries to Gaza are not to Israel; so when is Egypt going to do anything for its Moslem Arab "brothers"???

Finally look again at the pictures Hamas supplied of fuel and power shortages in Gaza. Behind the children holding candles are street lights and neon adverts around the edges of the cliché. In the background of the picture of the Hamas cabinet of incompetents there are streaks of daylight in the curtains. You have been had! Not only on elementary PR. If the Arabs get rid of Israel because you go under to their petroleum bribery you will find them insisting you dump your Irish for Islam . For everybody's sake the sooner the world goes into alternative energy and makes the Arabs put up or shut up - the better for all including Gaza. Britiain aided Germany AFTER the war NOT during it.

by Outraged Reader Thu May 08, 2008 18:18

The Pipes are definitely calling for Danny Boy,

The World Food program has included Gaza in its list of hunger Hot spots' but we are all supposed to beilieve you ????? that they are all well fed and plump ?

Get lost , Daniel Ha ha ha Cohen !

http://www.wfp.org/english/?ModuleID=137&Key=2767 ..........

" Occupied Palestinian territories
• In January 2008 Israel escalated its blockade of Gaza, leading to severe power cuts, disruption of water supplies and sewage treatment, and a suspension of commercial imports. This has in turn led to severe food shortages and price increases.

• WFP CO is meeting with Israeli authorities to find a workable solution for the delivery of humanitarian food supplies into Gaza, which is hampered by new security measures.

As a result of additional security procedures being imposed at border crossings, since 17 January, only 20 WFP trucks have been able to deliver food supplies. The new procedures have drastically slowed WFP's ability to deliver supplies, resulting in a loss of 2 percent of cargo and additional logistics costs. WFP has been forced to suspend deliveries until a solution - promised within the next few days - can be found.

• Egyptian authorities have closed the Gaza/Egypt border, and are now urging the few remaining Palestinians at the border to return to Gaza.

• WFP has stopped distributions to 2,501 social hardship beneficiaries due to lack of wheat flour. In some parts of Gaza City and Northern Gaza social hardship case families are currently receiving a partial ration due to shortage of sugar and salt. "

by Yousuf Loughnane - NUIG Sat May 10, 2008 20:17

Looking at your last sentence Daniel, it is obvious you are implying that the Western World are at war with Islam,whats that got to do with Palestine and Israel, or is that how you justify a pirate state depriving a people of its rightful belongings.

Lastly, and by no means least, don't you FUCKING dare compare the bastard-zionist nation of Isr-oil to Pakistan, India are not impeding on Pakistan's development, Israel is a coffe-stain on any map of the world.

by Al Freeman - self Wed Jan 07, 2009 22:31

The density of people in Israel is 350 per kmsq.

The density of people in Ireland is about 70 per kmsq.

Where should the Palestinians go, really?