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category national | miscellaneous | press release author Tuesday June 19, 2007 21:04author by Des Dalton - Republican Sinn Feinauthor email saoirse at iol dot ieauthor address 229 Parnell St Dublin 1author phone 01 8729747 Report this post to the editors

statement by RSF Vice President Des Dalton

Speaking on the Last Word programme on Today FM on June 19 Republican Sinn Féin Vice President Des Dalton said that Republicans would oppose any visit to the 26-Counties by the Queen of England.

“Irish Republicans will actively oppose any visit by the Queen of England to the 26-Counties, we view it as part of an orchestrated campaign by both the British and 26-County administrations to deny the reality of the continued British occupation and partition of Ireland.

“British occupation has always been and remains the cause of conflict in Ireland, whilst that occupation continues relations with England can never be normal. A visit to the 26-Counties by the Queen of England is part of the process of bedding down the institutions of partition and British rule in Ireland.

“Republican Sinn Féin will be calling on all who oppose partition and believe in a free and independent Ireland to come out and protest at such a visit. By doing so it will send a clear signal that continued British rule in Ireland is neither normal nor acceptable.” Des Dalton said

Ends.

author by black man raypublication date Tue Jun 19, 2007 21:37Report this post to the editors

Protesting wont achieve very much only give the Loyalists another excuse to paint all Northern catholoics with the same brush... and what about the culture of the protestant people in the six counties (and indeed the republic) a little harmony would be good for everyone and ultimately good for business this side of the border,. nobodys asking ye to bow to her or kiss her feet

author by Bikerpublication date Tue Jun 19, 2007 21:47Report this post to the editors

I don't remember you protesting against the visits of monarchs from Sweden, Belgium or the Netherlands when they came here, just the Brits. As a republican I oppose all monarchy, including a native Irish one should anyone ever seek to revive the line of Ruadhri Ó Conchubhair or Briain Boroimhe.

author by Jacqueline Fallonpublication date Tue Jun 19, 2007 23:43Report this post to the editors

Considering that the only members of the Irish general public who bothered to turn up to 'greet' her husband were those who turned up to protest vigorously at his visit (which included myself) - I’m not too worried, as I know for sure the British Queen will receive a very poor welcome indeed. In saying that, should somebody take 'a turn for the worst' and invite her (for example, the President of Ireland, ("she, the handmaid of Bertie"), then no doubt the British Queen can look forward to a far greater number of welcome protestors than her husband received and a much larger and varied protest (for clarity, for those 'special' among you, I would expect all true red/green socialists in Ireland to attend.

I have zero tolerance for royalty of any kind (not mad about Presidents or Taoisigh either), but I have a particular aversion to the British royals because of the crimes they have committed here since their invasion and the fact that they still occupy militarily the six counties of Ireland and are still, pathetically, hanging onto it and claming it as part of their ever decreasing British Empire. Anyone with a knowledge of Irish history cannot welcome such a visit from a British Queen knowing the brutality her ancestors and her current military inflicted on the Irish people and the utter misery that the Irish people endured since the British invasion of Ireland in 1169.

It would be a strange Republican, surely, who would welcome a member of the British royal family in the current circumstances.

author by Sharon . - Individual .publication date Wed Jun 20, 2007 00:02Report this post to the editors

Hi !

Well said , Jacqueline !

I would like to hear the Fine Gael argument for supporting such a visit , as Gay Mitchell refused to give same even before he was challenged to do so this afternoon on 'Today FM' radio - he brought proceedings to a swift finish when Mr Cooper informed him that a spokesperson from Republican Sinn Fein was about to challenge him on his pro-visit comments !
Mr Mitchell hung-up his telephone.

Also - would 'Biker' and 'ray' be prepared to stand on O' Connell Bridge in welcome of such a visit (waving Union Jack flags , perhaps?) on the afternoon of that occasion ? I know RSF have a long-standing arrangement to hold a protest on the Bridge at 5PM on the day it occurs . All Republicans welcome !

Sharon.

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author by black man raypublication date Wed Jun 20, 2007 00:11Report this post to the editors

In answer to your comment Sharon I would not be prepared to welcome any ruling monarch British or not but I would certainly not stand in the way of it. she as figurehead monarch and leader of the protestant churches never personally committed any crime against myself, anybody I know or the Irish public.. her ancestors did and whose ancestors somewhere along the family line haven't committed heinous crimes. Let those among you with no sin cast the first stone. let the poor old woman be

author by Lindy - indepandentpublication date Wed Jun 20, 2007 02:40Report this post to the editors

When Princess Grace of Monaco visited Ireland and was received by De Valera there were no demonstrations. Irish nationalism has not been strongly opposed to monarchy as such (many European democracies get on well with their monarchs, such as Netherlands, Norway and Sweden) but to the British monarch as titular ruler of the UK & NI. Actually the founder of Sinn Fein in 1905, Arthur Griffith, envisioned a possible settlement of the Irish Question that would entail a dual monarchy system emulating what then prevailed in the Austro-Hungarian empire. It didn't work out that way in Ireland, as history records, but Canada and Australia settled their independence with a recognition of the British monarch, although there are strong anti-monarch trends in Aussie political circles. Monarchs in modern democracies don't have real power (except the British system of Orders in Council) and citizens get on with their lives without much bother.

author by Lawrence Toolepublication date Wed Jun 20, 2007 03:44Report this post to the editors

RSF have no credibility. A prominent member of their party-Professor O Bradaigh-, son of the RSF president, at Galway University is doing research for Raytheon and Lockheed. That is, pro-imperialism war research. Meanwhile the poor fools who listened to O'Bradaigh about the 'armed struggle' are doing hard time in prison. Enough!

author by Bikerpublication date Wed Jun 20, 2007 09:11Report this post to the editors

In response to Sharon's question if I would be prepared to stand on O'Connell Bridge and welcome the British queen (usurper), I stated I am a republican in the international (French revolutionary) sense and will indeed oppose Liz's visit here whenever it takes place. I protested against her son Charles' visit here too, her other son Edward's visit in 2001 and several of the other "royal" visits including non-British ones. She will get no welcome from me.

author by bdpublication date Wed Jun 20, 2007 09:35Report this post to the editors

If the irish state decides to welcome the queen then it will happen, amid massive security, regardless of who protests or objects.
Before any such visit the queen should offer a sincere and abject apology, from british soil, for the harm caused to ireland by herself and her predecessors.
I know you will say "what about the occupation of the six counties?". The people of the Irish Republic have agreed to this occupation as long as the majority there so wish. We had a referendum. That's democracy in Ireland.

author by bdpublication date Wed Jun 20, 2007 09:41Report this post to the editors

"a sincere and abject apology, from british soil"
sorry, I meant ENGLISH soil.

author by Some Guypublication date Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:16Report this post to the editors

The sooner you can allow members of the British royal family / armed services / police to walk around freely, treated equal to any other visitor, the sooner you strip them of the power that you have vested in them. Don't bow to them, don't ignore them.

author by Gan ainm - Personal capacitypublication date Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:27Report this post to the editors

Todays Irish royal watchers are flirting with a type of fetish based on self hatred, they clearly like the idea of being dominated. Indeed they may well need psychological help.
Better that Dublin burns than this parasitic halfwit be allowed to parade her sickening imperial status through the streets of a city that suffered so much to get rid of her and what she stands for. What status did the people of Dublin have the last time they welcomed a brit monarch to their streets?, how much confidence did they have in their own ability to run their lives?. Indeed she is only permitted to come here now by her own constitution that resented the banana republics useless territorial claim to the north. Of course not only are Dublins royal fetish community hostile to northern nationalists, they are jealous of the british status forced upon the north.
Its true, not all monarchs are opposed in Dublin (they should be) but this one definatley should be. Of course RSF policy is dripping with contradictory and stupid terminology 'no foreign sports' etc, i have no time for rory og, but on this they are right. We dont need to stand behind them but we should be beside them.
This visit should be 'marred', by every possible means.

author by Doirepublication date Wed Jun 20, 2007 17:25Report this post to the editors

Get over it and stop living in the past. In order to reach out and gain the trust of the Unionist Community we as Republicans must hold out the hand of friendship to those whom we've always regarded as our enemies. Former POW Martina Anderson has already made significant moves in this direction and perhaps the time is right for Martina or another member of Sinn Fein to be present and welcome the Queen to Ireland, After all this is our country although not yet United we can go some way to achieving that unity by showing the Unionist community that in a future United Ireland their culture would be as safe as ours.

author by opposerpublication date Wed Jun 20, 2007 19:55Report this post to the editors



I do not want her in my country, why should she come? Britain is a constitutional monarchy
without a constitution which opposes EHCR laws. She has in many ways defferred to the Bush
agenda, even visiting him in the US. Whilst the neo-colonial policies of the Brown/Blair regimes
underscore violent warfare. Bertie Ahern has brought us close to that and to losing our
neutrality. She is a symbol of war and imperialism. SF who aggred the GFA have no right to
oppose her, they too went to 'An teach ban'. Anyone who opposes the US/UK war machine should
have the principle to oppose this visit- not on the bais alone of our colonial history but the
illegal war that she has assented to by her silence and her support of the bush Regime. it
is disgraceful to witness and she was perceived as a unifying force in the wars of attrition
in the early part of the twentieth century!!

author by Doirepublication date Wed Jun 20, 2007 20:49Report this post to the editors

So we must not only continue to alienate the Unionist community but we must also alienate our friends in America who have helped us bring the two communities together? You are a relic of the past opposer if you must protest with your small minority then go ahead but I know where I stand behind a leadership that is taking us forward to a United Ireland.

author by an ex-patpublication date Wed Jun 20, 2007 21:50Report this post to the editors

Dunno about you lot but I wouldn't cross the road to spit on her shoes ! Further more there a lot of British folk living in the UK who feel the same way.

She has got about the same amount of love in her heart as a sod of turf.... look how she treated Princess Diana? then go further back and see how kind and sisterly she was to Margaret her own sister? Then go further still and see how much compassion, she had for her two cousins who were shut away in a Mental Hospital for thirty years or more.... there was no royal visit for them!

And you want to entertain a moron like that? get a grip!

author by Gan Ainm - Personal capacitypublication date Thu Jun 21, 2007 15:19Report this post to the editors

"We as republicans", am i missing something here?. As a "republican" you are advocating that the worlds best known unelected head of state is welcomed to Ireland still you tell ME to wise up. I dont claim to be a republican having abandoned statist politics as a POW, but i was one for long enough to know that the whole point of reaching out to protestants was to win them away from monarchy worshiping and bring them into the enlightenment (see page one of how to be a republican). You are advocating the opposite, welcoming the queen in order to gain the confidence of monarchists. With respect i dont even know many SFers who would go along with your strange reasoning.
In all seriousness, are you taking the mick?

author by iosafpublication date Thu Jun 21, 2007 15:39Report this post to the editors

I suppose it depends on how wide or busy a road is before you see how much effort it is to cross it and spit. The widest road in the world is a hotly disputed title between a few interstate highways in the USA, a road into Toronto and 2 humongous carriageways in Brazil and Argentina. (nterstate 75 north of Atlanta with 15 lanes - Monumental Axis in Brazil (160 cars can travel side by side but not in lanes).

You'd be lucky to cross any of them safely to spit on the shoes of someone you just spotted. Which I suppose takes the passion out of the insult. But some of us wouldn't need to cross the road to spit on her britannic majesty.

the longest spit in the world was recorded, witnessed and certified by three official tournament judges: U.S. Congressman Fred Upton, State Representative Charles LaSata and Berrien County Circuit Judge John Hammond and came from the mouth of Brian "Young Gun" Krause. His spittle landed 110 foot and 4 inches from his mouth in 2003 which is just 50 foot short of the width of O Connell street at its widest part. Mr Krause indeed if given a suitable central vantage point (Jim Larkin's statue) could spit on both sides of O Connell Street with ease.

I saw the queen of Engurland a few times whilst living in London where she routinely came to visit my place of work. She's very small and her entourage precede and follow her in quite a memorable way. About fifteen minutes before arrival of "her presence" a squad of sniffer dogs and men with wires in their ear arrive. I remember on one occassion I was caught out by the dogs because I had a four ounce bag of skunk in my pocket. As I sweat and shook the dogs sniffed me, wagged their tails and carried on - the spook handler nodded at me and said "I can smell it too". They left me alone though. I remember the gawkers. You can't really use the word "fan" or "loyal subject" when talking about the gawkers who line up to either handle the paw or just catch a glimpse of the near dwarf in sparkling jewels. One time I determined to look her directly in the eye as the wave of nods and obseqious fawning rippled towards me. & so I did! [my republican chums] sending her a telepathic message all the time..... She looked back at me just for a moment during which their was a slight creepy reptilian feeling & then off she trot. I got the distinct impression that she has no idea where she is going half the time. There's always a flunky just behind her who seems to tap her handbag elbow and steer her subtely in the planned direction. One time they led her into a lfit by mistake and she shared a three floor journey with a pair of stunned Finnish tourists who asked her for her autograph and then spent six hours in "post-incident" interrogation afterwards.

I'm sure you could hire Mr Krause for the gobbing.
;-)

author by 1483publication date Thu Jun 21, 2007 19:19Report this post to the editors

and she wanted the roses painted red................................

Walter Disney's Queen of Hearts
Walter Disney's Queen of Hearts

author by Doirepublication date Thu Jun 21, 2007 19:27Report this post to the editors

Don't you know what Green, White and Orange is? Yes the flag we fought for during the war. Wasn't Tone a Protestant and wasn't Emmet too? I'm not saying to pledge allegiance to the Queen but to respect the right of the protestant people to do so. Many in Sinn Fein realise that times have changed and I'm sure that they would agree with me. I personally would like to see Gerry Adams greet the Queen as a visiting head of State like George Bush or the President of Australia.

author by 1483publication date Thu Jun 21, 2007 19:40Report this post to the editors

The Green, White and Orange is beside the point in my tradition. The wilful and unambigious
abuse of Nationalism and Protestantism to perpetuate the stereotypes of Irish and British
in a time of global crisis (sponsored it seems by the dregs of the Dutch colonisers of
Africa and New England) and self evident in the puritanical streak of both the British Crown
and the Bush tub-thumpers is reprehensible to me. She is a monarch, a symbol and her
overt and unquestioning support of both the Bush and Blair illegalities is badly timed and
quite amazing. Indeed if they were to be impeached for war crime ,as they should be, then
it would reflect incredibly badly on her last years in the monarchy and on the sucession.
Delineating her relation to the global agenda of war and terror by having her visit a
'neutral' state uninvolved in the war, save for the weakness of the leadership is just bad
taste, quite frankly. and no- the Bush regime have done nothing in the cause of peace
in Ireland save re-iterate the tired old lines and aid in the quashing of political dissent.
I do not know anyone who subscribes to the outworn and idiotic stereotypes of Ulster
Protestantism to the point of the truly risible comments of Ian Paisley junior on homosexual
rights. No-one asked these men to imagine anyone in bed. So the black and white of
the craven and insolent parties of terror and violence may welcome a monarch to ireland.
And yet none of them looks at the problems of poverty and talk crap about GDP/house prices
and personal wealth.

author by Sharon. - Individual .publication date Thu Jun 21, 2007 19:45Report this post to the editors

Hi Doire !

" Yes the flag we fought for during the war. "
Past tense ?
Is your fight over , Doire ?
Was your struggle to obtain places in Stormont and Leinster House and 'visiting rights' for foreign 'royality' ?
If so - Congratulations !

" I personally would like to see Gerry Adams greet the Queen as a visiting head of State like George Bush or the President of Australia."

Yes , indeed . Martin should not be allowed to hog the limelight in regards to being pictured with 'dignitaries' -

Sharon .

It should've been Gerry !
It should've been Gerry !

Related Link: http://1169andcounting.blogspot.com
author by Doirepublication date Thu Jun 21, 2007 20:04Report this post to the editors

1483, I couldn't understand a word you typed, it didn't even sound good. Intellectual crap, talk for the trendy lefty types over a sip of cheap wine or should that be whine, as you lot seem to do a lot of whining and dining. Anyway I disagree with everything you say even though I couldn't understand what you were saying.
As for Sharon, our fight isn't over it's just beginning, but instead of taking over the GPO we'll be taking over Stormont, this time peacefully. We see Stormont and Leinster House as a spring board to a United Ireland. By the way, Sharon thats not the president of Australia with Martin thats Henry Kissinger.

author by black man raypublication date Thu Jun 21, 2007 21:14Report this post to the editors

yes Kissinger another celebrated war criminal! Queen Liz pales in comparison compared to what this man is guilty of

author by Sharon . - Individual .publication date Thu Jun 21, 2007 21:26Report this post to the editors

Hi Doire !

"The war is over the fights just begun"
A variation of that slogan (...think it went - 'We've won the war , now lets win the peace!!!') was last used by Provisional supporters in 1994 on the Falls Road .
It was meaningless then , too . Obviously Head Office has left you scriptless since then.
By the way - why fight if the war is over ?

"As for Sharon, our fight isn't over it's just beginning, but instead of taking over the GPO we'll be taking over Stormont, this time peacefully."
"...this time peacefully.." ?
So the last time you and/or yours 'took over' Stormont it was not peacefull ?
When was that ?

" We see Stormont and Leinster House as a spring board to a United Ireland."
" The one thing I have to emphasise , that all republicans are united on , is that electoral politics will not remove the British from Ireland . Only armed struggle will do that ."
- whom , from amongst the Provisional leadership , said that , and when , Doire ?

" By the way, Sharon thats not the president of Australia with Martin thats Henry Kissinger."
....and the fact that's it's Henry Kissinger doesn't ring alarm bells for you , no ...?

You have a lot of Head Office scripts to catch-up on , haven't you ....

Finally - I just love the innocent way you "disagree" with what a previous poster wrote even though you admitted that you "didn't understand" the comments .
Sums you up nicely , that does !

Sharon.

Related Link: http://1169andcounting.blogspot.com
author by Brennypublication date Thu Jun 21, 2007 21:54Report this post to the editors

Yes indeed, courtesy of Alphonse de Lamartine, the Green, White and Orange is a symbol of peace between the Catholic and Protestant traditions on this island.

Protestant, however, does not equal Unionist or Loyalist.

As you point out, Wolfe Tone was a Protestant, coming from the Orange and not the Green tradition on this island.

So what on earth has the flag of the Irish Republic have anything to do with justifying a visit from Mrs. Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg?

In terms of her religious office, as Supreme Governor of the Church of England (in the Anglican community) and Sworn Protector of the Church of Scotland (Presbyterian), Mrs. Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg has no official business in Ireland either. (Quite strange how Mrs. Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg can be both Anglican and Presbyterian. Abnormal contradictions aside, Republicans wouldn't really hold truck with Head of States being Heads of Churches aswell - or Head of Churches being Heads of States as well, depending on which way you look at it.) Both the PCI, or Presbyterian Church in Ireland, and the Church of Ireland are autonomous bodies.

Let's face it, as far as the Orange colour in the Republican flag is concerned and its' representing the Protestant faith, Mrs. Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg has no business here. That is unless you want to go down the road of colouring all Protestants as Brits. (Provisonal Sinn Fein aside, something Republicans take a dim view of.)

And in terms of the right due to a head of a sovereign state visiting, well, most heads of sovereign states don't have 8,000 troops in Ireland (more than Mrs. Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg has in either Iraq or Afghanistan).

author by Doirepublication date Thu Jun 21, 2007 21:57Report this post to the editors

Our fight will be a democratic war, we have cast aside the armalite for the ballot box.
Sharon I wasn't referring to Stormont I was referring to the GPO. Our path to freedom began violently at the GPO and continued through to the present time when we will tread the peaceful path to freedom.
At one time a lot of Republicans believed that armed struggle was the only way forward, I included, but times change as do tactics.
Henry Kissinger might not be another great Irish American President like JF Kennedy but he is a friend of Republicanism as I'm sure is evident from your photo.
By the way Sharon I don't have to catch up on anything, it is people like you who has to catch up on Sinn Fein.
Let the previous poster speak for themselves, even if no one can understand him or her.

author by Brennypublication date Thu Jun 21, 2007 22:24Report this post to the editors

Doire: "Let the previous poster speak for themselves, even if no one can understand him or her."

Apologies if you find it hard to undestand what I said. I thought it was fairly clear. I was responding to your comment:
"Don't you know what Green, White and Orange is? Yes the flag we fought for during the war. Wasn't Tone a Protestant and wasn't Emmet too? I'm not saying to pledge allegiance to the Queen but to respect the right of the protestant people to do so."

Basically, I'm saying
a) Your views of Protestant's political views both lack logic and are prejudiced. Not all Irish Protestants want to "pledge allegiance to the Queen" and Catholics are surely not excluded from pledging their allegiance if they so wish.
b) Mrs. Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, (pr, if one prefers, the Queen of England) despite your religious prejudices has no reason on religious grounds to be here, e.g. tending to her flock (I mention religion since you decided to bring religion into the matter; see your above quoted post)
c) Regardless of your "arguments" on the Republican flag, any foreign head of state with 8,000 troops in Ireland should not be given a friendly welcome here.

Clear enough?

author by Sharon . - Individual.publication date Thu Jun 21, 2007 23:41Report this post to the editors

Hi Doire !

" Our fight will be a democratic war, we have cast aside the armalite for the ballot box. "
Your 'war' , Doire - as you have already stated (above) - is "over" . What you refer to as 'democracy' is gifted to you and yours by Westminster which , by the way , has not itself 'cast aside the armalite for the ballot box' .

"Sharon I wasn't referring to Stormont I was referring to the GPO. Our path to freedom began violently at the GPO and continued through to the present time when we will tread the peaceful path to freedom."
So , in your opinion , "our path to freedom" began in 1916 ?
Christ ! I hope you have no other involvement other than making a complete fool of yourself on 'Indymedia' . You are politically gormless .

"At one time a lot of Republicans believed that armed struggle was the only way forward, I included, but times change as do tactics."
You are an ex-SDLP/Fianna Fail nationalist , Doire - you were never a republican , as is blatantly evident from your posts on this thread . A 'band-wagon jumper' , when you realised that the 'band-wagon' had taken a different direction on an easier route .

"Henry Kissinger might not be another great Irish American President like JF Kennedy but he is a friend of Republicanism as I'm sure is evident from your photo."
LOL! 'Henry Kissinger is a friend of (Irish) Republicanism' !

"By the way Sharon I don't have to catch up on anything, it is people like you who has to catch up on Sinn Fein."
I 'caught-up' (copped-on!) to the Provisionals long ago , Doire . I hope you get the job they promised you , Sir , in which case all of you will be 'gainfully' employed . Instead of just your nose .

"Let the previous poster speak for themselves, even if no one can understand him or her."
It is only yourself that has that 'problem' , no-one else . Makes you wonder why , doesn't it ?

Sharon.

Related Link: http://1169andcounting.blogspot.com
author by Sharon. - Individual .publication date Fri Jun 22, 2007 09:24Report this post to the editors

Hi Doire !

Mr Kissinger may very well be on your Christmas card list , but....

' In anticipation of the insult about to make its presence felt in the city, Cork Sinn Fein councillor Jonathan O'Brien at a council meeting called on University College Cork to cancel its invitation to the former US Secretary of State and one time National Security Advisor.....' - http://www.phoblacht.net/serialcork.html

' Henry Kissinger is wanted for questioning on human rights abuses by courts in France, Spain, Belgium, Argentina and Chile. Through his support for genocidal regimes such as those of Pol Pot of Cambodia and General Suharto of Indonesia, he has responsibility for the deaths of millions of people, far more than the regime of Milosevic in Yugoslavia. He is directly responsible for the assassination of General René Shneider, the Commander of the Chilean Army in 1970, and the subsequent torture and death of thousands of civilians in that country. Democracy held little appeal for him if it got in the way of his plans....'
- http://www.republican-news.org/archive/2002/February28/....html

'During this same period our Chief Negotiator while in the US was at a meeting and was photographed with none other than the US war criminal Henry Kissinger.....'
- http://www.etan.org/et2005/december/17/00kissinger.htm

(The Irish Times , February 28, 2002 -) ' Cork Sinn Fein councillor Mr Jonathan O'Brien told a recent council meeting that Dr Kissinger was not welcome in the city, and called on UCC to cancel his invitation.....'
- http://www.etan.org/news/kissinger/cork.htm

'Henry Kissinger is not known for shying away from tough problems the Middle East dispute, the Vietnam War, nuclear disarmament. Nonetheless, he said he never tried to intervene in the problems of Northern Ireland when he was U.S. secretary of state because he always figured it was a hopeless cause....'
- http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4196/is_2005080...68935

But , of course , Doire ,all of the above commentators are 'living in the past' , aren't they......

Sharon.

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author by gan ainmpublication date Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:36Report this post to the editors

Seriously 'Doire' you are taking the Mick, for a start "gan thingy-ma-jig" suggests a basic disrespect for irish that only Unionists and sticks posess. However on the off chance that you are just the most sickeningly reformist SFer to emerge yet, let me just say that both Tone and Emmet died unimaginably brutal deaths to refute what you are saying. The war you speak of spat in the face of monarchy and for all it matters the green white and orange combination was a sopp to loyalism and a bad idea. I know many POWs and ex republican combatants still loyal to SF, none share your analysis.

author by Sharon. - Individual .publication date Fri Jun 22, 2007 16:58Report this post to the editors

......than to defend his political 'heros' at every turn!

Hi gan anim !

I think Doire's political 'strength' can be gauged by his reaction to seeing the photograph (above) of Martin McGuinness and Henry Kissinger sharing a political platform ie Doire stated -
" Henry Kissinger might not be another great Irish American President like JF Kennedy but he is a friend of Republicanism as I'm sure is evident from your photo."
Translation - 'If the leadership have no problem with it then that's good enough for me' .

In other words , the fact that one of Doire's political leaders allowed himself not only share a political platform with , in this case , Henry Kissinger , but practically posed for a photograph of the occasion , was interpreted by Doire as a 'green light' to confer on the subject concerned the tag 'friend of republicanism' .

If the word 'cult' is entered into Google it will become clearer to you , gan anim !

Sharon.

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author by Doirepublication date Fri Jun 22, 2007 17:45Report this post to the editors

Who are you calling a cult, Sharon? I don't have to revert to name calling and I apologise to Gan Aimn for having insulted him/her over his/her lack of a name.
I don't accept what you say about Kissenger, because I know Martin McGuinness all of my Republican life and I know that he wouldn't associate with a known war criminal.
I feel if you must revert to insults then you have lost the argument.

author by Sharon. - Individual .publication date Fri Jun 22, 2007 18:04Report this post to the editors

Hi Doire !

" Please dont insult my intellegents "
That's on a plate , but I'll ignore it ....

" Who are you calling a cult, Sharon? I don't have to revert to name calling and I apologise to Gan Aimn for having insulted him/her over his/her lack of a name."
You "don't have to revert (ie 'return to...') to name calling" but then apologise for having done so . You referred to a named poster as having no name .
Sweet Jesus....

" I don't accept what you say about Kissenger, because I know Martin McGuinness all of my Republican life and I know that he wouldn't associate with a known war criminal."
LOL !
Your own party colleagues have called Kissinger a "war criminal" , and worse .
Kissingers record is available , publicly , for all to see . Use a search engine to confirm his record and for God's sake use your own judgement instead of depending on others to tell you where you stand politically .

"I feel if you must revert to insults then you have lost the argument."
That from a poster who has already admitted to using insults .
You are priceless , Doire .
Seriously .

Sharon.

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author by Doirepublication date Fri Jun 22, 2007 18:22Report this post to the editors

So I insult myself now, do I Sharon? I've never been so self-insulted in all my life.
If you are so politically aware why don't you stand for RSF in the next election? I'm afraid the real politically aware politicians would wipe the floor with your Political analysis. In Sinn Fein we have people who have cut their teeth politically over 30 years of war and peace, these are the people destined to bring about change in Ireland, not someone arguing behind a keyboard.

author by Sharon. - Individual .publication date Fri Jun 22, 2007 19:05Report this post to the editors

.....who considers Henry Kissinger a "friend of republicanism" simply because he posed with Martin McGuinness in a photograph !

Hi Doire !

"Sharon the keyboard warrior"
....only in between paper-sales , raffle-ticket sales , pickets , protests , meetings , rallies etc . I do the whole gambit , Doire , in between being a mother , (which also entails being a nurse , a councillor , a mediator etc!) a daughter , a sister , a friend (many times over , thankfully!) a neighbour , a colleague and a comrade !
Ask Martin if he considers my having left anything out , won't you .... ;-)

"So I insult myself now, do I Sharon? I've never been so self-insulted in all my life. "
Oh I wouldn't go that far , Doire . I'd say you have been there many times before ....

"If you are so politically aware why don't you stand for RSF in the next election?"
So those that stand for election are "politically aware" , are they ?

"I'm afraid the real politically aware politicians would wipe the floor with your Political analysis. In Sinn Fein we have people who have cut their teeth politically over 30 years of war and peace, "
"Over 30 years..." , you say ? That 'Sinn Fein' you refer to didn't exist before then , no.... ?

"these are the people destined to bring about change in Ireland, not someone arguing behind a keyboard."
If the choice is to use my keyboard when I get the chance or pose with war-criminals-who-are-not-war-criminals-because-Martin-says-so ' , then I'll carry-on with what I'm doing , thanks anyway !

I am torn between believing you to be someone who fell off their Bebo page and accidentally landed here or ..... no , that's about it , really .

Sharon.

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author by Sharon . - Individual .publication date Fri Jun 22, 2007 20:04Report this post to the editors

.....you can't answer questions of a political nature.....
.....you'll go far with your present cult !


Hi Doire !

Thank You for your contribution to this thread (...it was getting all serious 'till you came along!) - you are truly a fantastic Ambassador for the Provisional organisation , some of whom will no doubt shortly be posting here to apologise to the rest of us for the embarrassing posts you have associated them with and/or to completely disown you .
Either that or your Provisional colleagues will stay silent altogether and hope that this thread will fade from the 'front page' (and the archives) quicker than they can say 'Henry Kissinger Is Our Friend' .
I , for one , will miss you , Doire . You made my job so much easier ....

Sharon.

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author by iosafpublication date Fri Jun 22, 2007 20:26Report this post to the editors

I don't understand how he came into the thread at all. Carry on Sharon! stop getting all hot & bothered. If I could look into her eyes and send her telepathic messages & live to write the comment - you can surely do your thing too. & fair play to you. & all honour. Though a colour party with sunglasses might spoil the "symbol of militarism" angle-. Maybe it has to do with UTV and what happened in our country in the 20th century... Everynight the telly would go off. Our mammies and daddies would have expected us to be in bed long before that unless it was Friday night and Gay Byrne was going to do his instruction thing and unroll a condom on a dildo, or Sinead OConnor was expected to blaspheme.
My da used to mutter about the Swords road and stand us all up for amhran na bfhiann and the pictures of waterfalls and powerscourt and the blaskets where Haughey lived which RTE put up as visual focuses to say "goodnight". Of course we were glued to the box in those days and many of us wouldn't switch the thing off and just look at the epileptic fuzzy stuff for hours after. Not my house though. Suitably fortified by the sacrament of standing to attention to the national anthem we could squeeze a bit more telly watching out of the British channels. But we had to beware of the late night film on UTV. For there the pernicious loyalists and love ulster crew would catch us unawares & slap a static picture of the queen of engurland getting out of a brightly painted red helicopter.
That's how I got into the open university broadcasts in cheap black & white and equations of beautiful simplicity. ;-) big beards too. Not that you read anything into the beards back then. There were no tellytubbies then.

Come on you men and women of Mayo!
you're under the tap and surveillance.
Let them know the British Queen isn't welcome..........you're very own codeword can be "windsor".

author by Sharon. - Individual .publication date Fri Jun 22, 2007 21:05Report this post to the editors

...or even hot and bothered !

Hi iosaf !

I introduced Mr Kissinger into this thread in response to suggested despots that Doire wanted to see his leadership pose beside ....

By the way , my 'You can't post,you can't sing..' reply was in response to a 'Good Bye' post made by Doire [post since removed] in which he 'sang' his goodbyes to me .
Naturally , he forgot the words half-way through the 'song' !
;-)

Sharon.

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author by iosafpublication date Fri Jun 22, 2007 21:34Report this post to the editors

A spin broke about 21 hours ago & by now in global internet media land is being sourced to both Downing street & the Vatican that Blair is about to convert to catholicism. http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/22/europe/EU-GEN...c.php http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article269247...8.ece http://www.elpais.com/articulo/gente/seduccion/catolica...7/Tes He's just done his last cabinet meetings as her majesty's prime minister & in between being tipped as middle east envoy, tellytubbyesque doctor who incarnation, or the chief of staff of eta in his near future apparantly it seems he may just accept the transubstantiated host & become a roman catholic (kathurlick) wen he meets Ratzinger. I suppose now that limbo has been abolished and as well as all the aborted foetuses ancient philosophers who though decent chaps never knew the good news can be properly judged regardless or not of them accepting the court has a lot to do with it. Or else it's just very evil spin a bit like suggesting mrs windsor iis about to visit Eire.

So will it be a big day out of counter Queen of Engurland marching and maybe a speech by Ruari o Bradaigh (or a letter handed into the RDS) or will it be more alternative queen of ireland gigs? It's very important to keep the message centre stage.

Many Irish people reject a proposed visit by the Queen of Engurland.

author by Sharon . - Individual.publication date Fri Jun 22, 2007 22:02Report this post to the editors

- ...would be more concerned with his political intentions .

Hi iosaf !

Besides - Mr Blair has apparently been on the road to Damascus before -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/20...5.xml

In regards to a Lady that one might meet on some other road (or street!), a few of us will be on the isle in the middle of that road - near the bridge - at 5pm on the day , to offer some suggestions regarding her immediate travel arrangements ...

Sharon.

Party outfit for the modern upper-class young man...
Party outfit for the modern upper-class young man...

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author by Realitypublication date Fri May 28, 2010 23:00Report this post to the editors

Jaqueline fallon writes a load of bull, if things were as she states, when the outbreak of hooliganism occured in 1916, the entire population would have supported them , in reality? far less than 1/2 %.
We are in a far worse mess today than we ever were under british rule. Look at the state of southern ireland today, in virtually every department. garbage. Thank to england's benevolence millions of irish people have a far better life than they ever would have if they had sat around the camp fire listening to bull shit that passes for history in southern ireland. Our historical records? destroyed by hooligans.Crime? Drugs? Can she name one country in the world that has never been invaded. The sooner we rejoin Great Britain the better, then we would at least have a PM with integrity.
Our President? is a waste of space otherwise she would have resigned over our clown of a PM failing to call elections in three seats.
Ireland is rotten to the core,

author by The O'Kennedy.publication date Sat May 29, 2010 12:08Report this post to the editors

English nobility have been visiting Ireland for longer than most people realise.
The Venerable Bede was a Saxon monk in the 7th (note 7th not 17th) century.
To this day he is regarded as one of England's greatest scholars.

This is what he tells us about English Nobility visiting Ireland:

"Many of the nobles of the English nation and lesser men also had set out thither,forsaking their native island for the grace of sacred learning.
All these the Irish willingly received,and saw to it to provide them with food day by day without cost,and books for their studies,and teaching,free of charge."

Queen Elizabeth is welcome here as far as I am concerned.

author by The O'Kennedy.publication date Sat May 29, 2010 14:15Report this post to the editors

"Thank to england's benevolence millions of irish people have a far better life than they ever would have if they had sat around the camp fire listening to bull shit that passes for history in southern ireland."

Oh Yeah?

In his celebrated television series "Civilisation" the British Aristocrat Kenneth Clarke said this:

"Looking back from the great civilisations of 12th century France or 17th century Rome, it is hard to believe that for quite a while-almost a hundred years- Western Cicilisation survived by clinging to places like Skellig Michael,a pinnacle of rock eighteen miles from the Irish coast, rising seven hundred feet out of the sea."

That other Englishman The Venerable Bede would agree.

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