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Dublin - Event Notice
Monday April 09 2007
01:00 AM

RSF Dublin Commemoration , Easter 2007 .

category dublin | history and heritage | event notice author Friday March 23, 2007 19:24author by Sharon . - Individual . Report this post to the editors

RSF Easter 2007 : New Arrangements .

RSF in Dublin has re-arranged its main Dublin Commemoration , from Easter Sunday (8th April) to Easter Monday (9th April) .

RSF Dublin Commemoration , Easter 2007 .
RSF Dublin Commemoration , Easter 2007 .

Apologises to those who had already made arrangements to travel to the main RSF Easter Commemoration in Dublin - the day on which that event will be held has been changed .

An Coiste Cuimhneacháin Náisiúnta (the National Commemoration Committee) has requested that the Dublin Republican Sinn Fein organisation change its main Easter Commemoration from Easter Sunday (8th April) to Easter Monday (9th April) and , after consultation , the Dublin Comhairle Ceantair (Executive) of RSF agreed to do so .

The new arrangements are as follows :

Easter Monday (9th April) - assemble outside the Garden Of Remembrance in Parnell Square at 12.45pm , for the parade to the GPO .

Easter Sunday (8th April) - Assemble at the gates of Deansgrange Cemetery at 1(one)pm .

Once again , apologises to anyone inconvenienced by this change of date .

Sharon .

Related Link: http://1169andcounting.blogspot.com
author by Sharon. - Individual .publication date Mon Apr 09, 2007 22:08Report this post to the editors

Hi All!

Over for another year !
Everything almost went to plan today at Dublin's GPO : the 'North Inner City Folklore Project' had teamed-up with Dublin Corporation to commemorate what they described as "...the forgotten women of the struggles for Irish Freedom between 1916 and 1923.." (a description I quibbled with as myself and other members/supporters of RSF have ensured that those women are not "forgotten") : both Commemorations were due to commence within 30 minutes of each other , from the same location , and both groups had work crews in place , at the same time , assembling the various pieces of equipment needed ie lecterns , sound-systems etc .
However - after a brief introduction between representatives of all involved , an agreement was reached and both Commemorations went ahead , almost as planned , with no major upset to those involved .

The second 'spanner' was the weather ! For what must have been the first time in at least a week - it rained ! A heavy drizzle , which lasted for about twenty minutes , then eased , then stopped !
Again - no major upset here either .
The usual 'attention' from uniformed and plain-clothed 'guardians of the peace' , who were particularly interested in whatever information they could gather regarding , especially , the young people present . However , the young people being questioned stood their ground and were not intimidated .
There were at least between 150 and 200 people present throughout the approximate 75 minutes that the Commemoration lasted , and the crowd were very attentive throughout the proceedings . All-in-all , a good day!

'Bye for now ,

Sharon .

Before the assembly....
Before the assembly....

....assembled unit in use.....
....assembled unit in use.....

....and waiting to be dis-assembled !
....and waiting to be dis-assembled !

Related Link: http://1169andcounting.blogspot.com
author by Impressedpublication date Mon Apr 09, 2007 22:24Report this post to the editors

150-200 people present - Jesus, you guys are really making progress and winning over the masses. At this rate of going, you should get rid of the 'Brits' in maybe another 800 years. Keep it up.

author by Sharon. - Individual .publication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 00:05Report this post to the editors

Hi 'Impressed' !

"150-200 people present - Jesus, you guys are really making progress and winning over the masses. At this rate of going, you should get rid of the 'Brits' in maybe another 800 years. Keep it up.2

Oh don't be such a sexist with that "you guys" business , 'Impressed' - we girls can handle muppets too , you know !

But you are , however , spot on with your main point : how dare a minority seek to commemorate the actions of a minority from a past generation .
You deep-thinker you.....

Sharon .

Related Link: http://1169andcounting.blogspot.com
author by people counterpublication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 01:57Report this post to the editors

It must mean something though, when a local folklore group can attract more people to their Easter commemoration than a political party which seeks to govern the country.

author by Sharon. - Individual .publication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 08:09Report this post to the editors

Hi 'People Counter' !

" It must mean something though, when a local folklore group can attract more people to their Easter commemoration than a political party which seeks to govern the country. "

It was indeed heartening to see the numbers that stood outside the GPO in support of the 'Folklore' Commemoration , some of whom stated afterwards that they thought it was the RSF Commemoration they were attending !
Likewise , at the end of the RSF Commemoration , some people approached the Organisers asking for 'Folklore' literature .
Rather than play the 'numbers game' with both events , I would commend both groups for their efforts : in short , praise those that were present instead of attempting to 'count and compare' them !

Sharon .

Related Link: http://1169andcounting.blogspot.com
author by impressedpublication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 08:54Report this post to the editors

i remain thoroughly impressed by Sharon's logic. she is absolutely right.
a minority indeed has the right to impose its will on a majority, and if we have to claim authority from events of 90 years ago to do so there is nothing wrong with that. after all the brits have done it for generations, so rsf are equally entitled to impose their views on others.
most irish peiople have no time for her organisation and are absolutely opposed to attempts to create irish unity by force. that is a small problem - why can't everyone else see this? the fools, the fools, the fools. they are deluded, and have drunk in too much brit propaganda. if only a small minority of far sighted people see The Truth that is enough - they are quite entitled to impose their views on a majority. like her, i stand by the general election results of 1918 - no other poll is valid, (the only poll that is valid is the one that tells me what i want to hear - i will continue to find fault with all others until that day dawns. it isn't hard - i've been doing it for decades). i will do this at least until we can impose our view of reality on ireland. after that, we'll have what we want, so who cares if further polls go our way or not?
it also follows that, since imposing your will is very difficult, a great deal of violence and perhaps even civil war will be required - this deluded majority might well resist. but that is also ok - it is quite clear that irish sovereignty is more important than the lives of irsh people, lives which are hardly wolrth living under british occupation anyway. it is better to be a dead freeman or woman, than alive on your knees.
on with the struggle. . the way forward is back to the past.i say: back to 1916

author by Sharon . - Individual .publication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 14:33Report this post to the editors

Hi again , 'Impressed' !

You seem to be extremely bitter towards those of us who remember , and have the 'cheek' to , commemorate our past ? To the point that you give the impression - to me , at least - that you regard it as a personal affront that the 'unfinished business' (as mentioned by at least two of the RSF speakers at the GPO yesterday) should still be referred to at all ?

The history forced on this isle by others has repeatedly brought 'unrepresented minorities' to the fore , has it not ? Do you suggest we 'gloss over/ignore' them , as well ?

Sharon .

Related Link: http://1169andcounting.blogspot.com
author by Impressedpublication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 14:59Report this post to the editors

I am sorry Sharon you seem to have misunderstood me. I am AGREEING with you. What happened in 1916 is absolutely important. We can tell for sure what those involved would think today - after all, I increasingly suspect that you and I are psychics, in touch with the dead. (I had my Ouija board out just last night, as I am sure did you. No contact yet, but I live and struggle in hope). Like me, I am sure you are not just commemorating the past. Although it is fun to march around in dark glasses and berets, we have more serious business to hand. We wish to repeat the past, not just celebrate it. If Pearse was right to assume that military action by a minority in 1916 was justified, it surely follows that we are right to do so today. What has changed, in 90 years? With you, I say damn all - and anybody who thinks otherwise is a dupe of the Brits. (In fact, I personally think they should be taken out and shot. That will teach them).

Moreover, I am sick of people yacking about the cost in lives of the troubles. I am sure you are too. They are whinging, ungrateful little bastards. 3500 plus people died and many thousands were maimed – but, hey, some sense of perspective is needed. They are better off dead or crippled than living under British rule. In fact, if 30,000 died it would still have been worth it, and once you and I get our next campaign up and running, if 300,000 die it matters not a jot, so long as we get a united Ireland. I would rather live in rubble than toil for another day under the Brits, and I would rather be dead anyway than live under their rule. Wouldn't you? It might be a helluva job to try politics and to convince people of our ideas, but I would rather keep doing what we have been doing for 800 years than compromise. It hasn’t worked so far, I grant you, but if we give it another heave maybe this time it will be different. (I haven’t yet worked out why we should do better this time, but I am just so goddam angry at the Brits that I can’t be bothered to worry about it. If it was good enough for Pearse, it is good enough for me, and I am sure for you too. It’s the sacrifice that counts – not the prospects for success. To paraphrase: the old heart of Ireland needs to be warmed by the red wine of the battlefield.)

Also: What is all this crap anyway that we don’t have a mandate? Who cares about that? The Brits never had a national mandate for their atrocities, so why should we be more concerned about that than them? The Irish people deserve their freedom and independence. If they don’t want it, I say stuff them – they are going to get it anyway, even if we end up having to kill half of them to deliver it.

Long live the Republic.

author by Sharon. - Individual .publication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 15:18Report this post to the editors

Hi once again , 'Impressed' !

You are agreeing with me , you say ?
Oh what a relief . I was beginning to fear the unwanted attention of an unbalanced stalker . But I am relaxed now that I know you to be a friend !

However , a word of advice : next time you consult your "ouija board" please ensure you keep both hands on it . I suspect it is your failure to do so to date that has you in such a distressed state of mind , not to mention blind !

Sharon .

Related Link: http://1169andcounting.blogspot.com
author by Impressedpublication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 15:32Report this post to the editors

This is difficult - I am agreeing with Sharon, but she seems not to grasp it. I am not distressed at all Sharon - other than at British intererence in our country. I am with you in wanting to shoot at them, bomb places and make damn sure that the express wish of most Irish people for an end to all this tropuble and strife, and its replacement by politics, is ignored. The 1916 rebels had no need of dialogue and politics, so why should we? The Irish people are going to get their freedom, even if we have to impose it on them, even over their dead bodies. I hope this clear enough. Stuff the begrudgers!

author by Patrick Henrypublication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 16:25Report this post to the editors

It seems 'impressed' is more of a sarcastic bastard peddling the sarcasm that passes as propaganda from the lips of shamefaced $hinners trying to justify the fact that they've gone from sending people out to kill and in many cases die for an ideal cherished by generations to now telling them that to oppose the British presence in Ireland is a madness brought on by failure to see what personal gain one can achieve by joining those who wish to remain part of the UK.

Sure you only have to be sleekit about it all and claim to be pursuing an United Ireland from within the System, a 'Stepping Stones' sort of thing.

A blind man can see that people like 'impressed' are mindless lackeys who rant what their leadership tells them to rant about as we hear the same crap from Belfast to Derry while free thinkers like Sharon are scorned because they don't think as others tell them how to think, but to as how their heart dictates.

People like Sharon might be in the minority but they are a free minority, free to think and speak as they please and not afraid to draw displeasure from an unforgiving leadership.

author by Sharon. - Individual .publication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 16:40Report this post to the editors

Hi 'Impressed' !

It is only "difficult" for you , Sir , due to your inability to use an "ouija board" correctly : see pointers regarding same in one of my previous posts .
Also - on the related subject of board 'games' , may I suggest you learn how to use this board , too ; it could very well turn out to be a useful tool (pardon the pun) in your campaign for.....whatever it is you are campaigning for ...?

Sharon .

Related Link: http://1169andcounting.blogspot.com
author by Interestedpublication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 16:55Report this post to the editors

I am so sorry that Ph and Sharon think I am being sarcastic or taking the mick. I am only supporting their views. Like them, I believe that if 3500 people have to die, 30,000 or 300,000 to achieve a united Ireland, I think it will be worth it. As I said, better dead than alive under Brit rule. I think those that complain about this are whinging bastards. Fuck them. Many of them are collaborators, and should probably be shot. Like PH and Sharon I think I have the right to set aside what most Irish people think on the issue of military struggle, and take it upon myself to wage a war for their liberation, irrespectiev of how few people want it or support it. I cite Pearse as my precedent. If it was fine for him 90 years ago, why not now in 2007? Even if only one Irishman/woman wants to wage war, even if all the rest (many millions.....) are opposed, s/he can stand on the results of the 1918 election and set aside what the rest think. How does this in any way represent their views?

So I say: If most people oppose me, they can fuck off - their main duty is to either cheer my campaign, or die while I wage it. Certain collatoral damage is inevitable in any struggle for freedom: the Irish peopel should just take this on the chin. We need a blood sacrifice. Like PH and Sharon, I think that after 800 years of military struggle to achieve Irish freedom, with no success so far, another 800 years is nothing to worry about - why try something new, when Pearse etc have shown us the way? The idea of an alternative sounds too trendy to me - rather like thinking, and why do that when you can rant and rave (or at least parade around in dark glasses) instead?

Again, and sincerely, forward to the Republic.

author by Interestedpublication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 16:57Report this post to the editors

I am so sorry that Ph and Sharon think I am being sarcastic or taking the mick. I am only supporting their views. Like them, I believe that if 3500 people have to die, 30,000 or 300,000 to achieve a united Ireland, I think it will be worth it. As I said, better dead than alive under Brit rule. I think those that complain about this are whinging bastards. Fuck them. Many of them are collaborators, and should probably be shot. Like PH and Sharon I think I have the right to set aside what most Irish people think on the issue of military struggle, and take it upon myself to wage a war for their liberation, irrespectiev of how few people want it or support it. I cite Pearse as my precedent. If it was fine for him 90 years ago, why not now in 2007? Even if only one Irishman/woman wants to wage war, even if all the rest (many millions.....) are opposed, s/he can stand on the results of the 1918 election and set aside what the rest think. How does this in any way misrepresent their views?

So I say: If most people oppose me, they can fuck off - their main duty is to either cheer my campaign, or die while I wage it. Certain collatoral damage is inevitable in any struggle for freedom: the Irish peopel should just take this on the chin. We need a blood sacrifice. Like PH and Sharon, I think that after 800 years of military struggle to achieve Irish freedom, with no success so far, another 800 years is nothing to worry about - why try something new, when Pearse etc have shown us the way? The idea of an alternative sounds too trendy to me - rather like thinking, and why do that when you can rant and rave (or at least parade around in dark glasses) instead?

Again, and sincerely, forward to the Republic.

author by Patrick Henrypublication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 18:02Report this post to the editors

Try something new, mmm, right! Does that something new mean that after years of bloodshed and hatred that the leadership decides to grab the best, for them, deal and fob the rest off with "the Republics in the post "? It's been done before, whatever your name is,the old 'stepping stones to a United Ireland' crap and we're still here.

The fact is many different leaders have led us down the path of violence, some have given their lives like Pearse and Tone while others like De Valera and Adams have decided after sending countless followers to their deaths and insisting that war was the only way forward then decide that peaceful means is the only way forward. There is nothing new about this, both leaders have used violence to build their parties and then when they had the following of a majority of a section of the people they decided to pursue peaceful means, which meant that they eventually become a part of the corruption that is Irish Politics.

So Hume's way was right from the every beginning?No one died in the formation of his party except those killed by British and pro British forces. After almost 40 years we are left with what was achievable from the 70s on. Therefore, whatever your Interesting name is, who is the greater statesman, Hume or Adams?

By the way while being a former member of the IRA I am now of the opinion that violence isn't the way forward because in the end Leaderships are proven to be corruptible and it will only be them who will benefit from years of violence.

author by interestedpublication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 18:21Report this post to the editors

my apologies to ph - I thought he was with Sharon in myself in believing that a unjited ireland is so important (more important, self evidently, than global warming, world hunger, poverty, unemployment etc) that he advocated a blood sacrifice, war, insurrection and thousands of dead to achieve it. Only Sharon and I are left in holding this view then. I am appalled - PH is a traitor, and should be shot. But PH points out that political struggle hasn;' achieved his goals either - some cretins might argue that had the IRA campaign not been launched in 69, or ended soon after, political progress might have been possible. They are dolts. I think it is best to go back to tactics which have been tried and failed over hundreds of years than risk the corruption of politics. It is regrettable that PH does not agree. May I ask what he then thinks is the way forward?

Some other idiots might argue, actually, that a united Ireland isn't worth one death let alone thousands, and that we have better things to preoccupy ourselves with. The idiots. They also should be shot. Irish sovereignty is worth mass murder, thousands of people imprisoned, and whatever else it takes. Let us bomb the place to bits - the rubble left will at least be free. The unemployed it creates will be freely unemploiyed rather than oppressively employed. Let us all die in a war - the grayeards that are left will at least be inhabited by the bodies of free Irisnhmen and women.

Back to the past., And on to the Republic.

author by Patrick Henrypublication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 19:26Report this post to the editors

I considered long and hard whether I should respond to the ramblings of someone who doesn't know whether they're coming or going. That someone however is typical of present day $hinner thinking that the violence of the past was necessary in order to bring us to the point where we now as an 'acceptable' political party can condemn anyone who would advocate violence as a way forward.

The fact is I can't stand the hypocrites who once encouraged us to burn out the likes of Gerry Fitt for advocating what they now claim to be the way forward. I asked the question who is the greater statesman, Hume or Adams? I got no answer.

My way forward has to be led by politicians incorruptible and with the interests of the common people at heart. I know that I live in cloud cuckoo land in that regards because as yet we have to be blessed with incorruptible politicians as eventually they all become party to self interest and the corruption of multinationals as has $inn Fein.

People had to die to put Adams and McGuinness where they are today and we have to listen to the rants of mindless lackeys like 'interested' or whatever churning out a rehash of what they have written previously and before that echoing their master's voice.

I am not interested in trying to further decipher such ramblings from people who back u-turns with all the eagerness of clapping seals.

SLAN.

author by non SF observerpublication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 20:03Report this post to the editors

well, ph, you are long on the invective there but rather a phrase or two short of a strategy, as you yourself appear to concede. I personally couldn't give a bollocks about a united ireland, and am rather in the 'interested' camp on these issues. It might just be that your apoproach was always doomed to failure, and that we should now get a life and move on.

author by Patrick Henrypublication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 20:34Report this post to the editors

Get a life and move on! Where? Stay apart of the UK where children are killing each other day and daily or go into a United Ireland where drug dealers kill each other and our children?

Lets move on I can't wait to live in a Ghetto ruled by drug lords while our politicans live the good life.

author by Sharon . - Individualpublication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 22:21Report this post to the editors

Hi Patrick Henry !

" I considered long and hard whether I should respond to the ramblings of someone who doesn't know whether they're coming or going. "
Which is why I will not engage in a proper discussion with that poster - from experience , I know such people are incapable of same .

" Lets move on I can't wait to live in a Ghetto ruled by drug lords while our politicans live the good life."
....aided and abetted by those who have no 'interest' in attempting to correct a corrupt system least they themselves lose their 'place' within same . But , like 'Interested' , they may be sarcastic enough to appreciate the irony should their paymasters ever turn on them .

Sharon.

Related Link: http://1169andcounting.blogspot.com
author by Interestedpublication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 23:16Report this post to the editors

I am shocked that Sharon has taken umbridge at my offers of support. She and RSF thinks that they are entitled to impose their will on the Irish people, forcing them to accept a military conflict they want no part of. . i wholeheartedly agree: The Irish people overwhelmingly want peace, but they have no right to this, because we know better: partition means everything, and certainly means more than life itself. Even if only one lunely lunatic wants an armed uprising, basing ourselves on the election of 1918, they have every right to do so: if tens of thousands have to die, so be it. The cause is just, and, like Sharon, I am certain we are right.. The conscience of even one Republican means more than the thought through choices of the Irish people - they will have freedom, whether they want it or not, even if I have to force it on them, with Sharon riding backup. Sharon, like Pearse, thinks that any number of dead is worth it to get Irish freedom - I say hooray, and roll on the bloodshed. Isn't this the logic of her position - one I fully support? I say that even if we all die at least we will be free. what have i said that she disagrees with? I know we have tried all this before, over 100s of years, and I know we had a really big go from 1969 until ten years ago - all without a glimmer of success. But, like Sharon, I am up for another charge - we are like the Light Brigade, against all odds into the machine guns. death or glory - and preferably death. I can't see anything in this against RSF principles. I am very, very hurt. Those ungrateful bastards who complain because they have to die for my principles are just whingers and begrudgers. They should be happy! I am. And so, it appears, is Sharon - and PH.

author by Sharon. - Individual .publication date Tue Apr 10, 2007 23:36Report this post to the editors

.........because 'the other side' would only use you against us !

Slán go fóill anois ,

Sharon .

A monkey shows 'Interest' !
A monkey shows 'Interest' !

Related Link: http://1169andcounting.blogspot.com
author by interestedpublication date Wed Apr 11, 2007 09:20Report this post to the editors

i am glad that sharon now recognises my support for the sincere gesture that it is. I would add only this: she and i want to wage war in support of our beliefds. we don't care how many will have to die, nor that we have no support. we stand on the 1918 general election and on tyhe example of 1916 - that means much more than the present day opinions of irish people. it also follows, and i am glad that sharon has made this clear, that we have no obligation whatsoever to justify ourselves to those whinging bastards and begrudgers who criticise us. they are all brit agents and can fuck off.

on to the republic. see many of you at your own funerals!

author by Dubpublication date Sat May 05, 2007 20:38Report this post to the editors

While reading this I was just thinking about when i was a Provisional SF member in the 70s and 80s!
I remember standing on meny a wet,soggy picket line with people spitting at you and calling you scum (and this was in Dublin!).
Its amazing to me that the present day provos laugh at the small numbers of the so called 'dissidents' (meny of whom were the best activists and organisers we ever had!).
They attack RSF for only having a hundred people on their protests.
I remember in the days of section 31 and the heavy gang when we would have been thanking God if a hundred people showed up to our events!
Its all very funny really!

author by bpmpublication date Sat Jun 23, 2007 01:21Report this post to the editors

Well said Dub

author by RPMpublication date Sat Jun 23, 2007 01:37Report this post to the editors

Yes it was much better in the old days when no one supported us and the prospect of us ever making any difference was remote, when there were thousands of Brit troops stationed in Ireland and you couldn't even talk about Republican politics.

God be with the days when the whole RTÉ board was sacked for not being draconian enough against us, and when Sinn Féin members were spat at, abused and even shot.

I for one think it would be better if returned to such a situation, and when we get there we should stay there, forever, never evolving, never changing, a totally static view of irish politics derived from events in the first half of the last century.

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