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Shell's Cops Focus Attention On Rossport Solidarity Camp.

category mayo | environment | news report author Wednesday October 18, 2006 19:05author by Niall Harnett - Rossport Solidarity Camp / Shell to Sea.author email rossportsolidaritycamp at gmail dot com Report this post to the editors

The Rossport Solidarity Camp is under threat from dangerous GardaÍ who are out of control.

Roadblocks / Checkpoints were set up by Gardaí a few hundred metres either side of Rossport Solidarity Camp, before dawn this morning, to intercept campers on their way to the picket at the Bellanaboy Refinery site. A similar roadblock happened last week also, though this morning's checkpoint was more aggressive with 8 police in two Garda vehicles, ‘quoting’ the Road Traffic Act and demanding names, addresses and dates of birth from drivers and all passengers not previously 'accounted for'. Video and still cameras were also used to film and photograph all involved. Sgt. Conor O'Reilly has been patrolling around the area all day accompanied by a number of Paddywagons, surveying campers and stopping other camp vehicles. Numbers of Gardaí have been seen by local residents today in Glengad and across the bay in Rossport with cameras looking for a view into the camp.
Sgt. Conor O'Reilly, a patrolling and violent instigator, and a real threat to the camp.
Sgt. Conor O'Reilly, a patrolling and violent instigator, and a real threat to the camp.

Local Shell to Sea campaigners have expressed concern for the safety and integrity of the camp, and expect that Shell's cops will try to 'plant' something on the camp to justify an aggressive raid. These anticipated attempts to criminalise the camp could also be seen as an effort to force the local Shell to Sea campaign to disown those who have worked so hard in solidarity with them and in cooperation with the national and international Shell to Sea campaign.

'Frontline', The International Foundation for the Protection of Human Rights Defenders, have been notified of our concerns and some legal support/advice has been requested from them. See http://www.frontlinedefenders.org/about/ .

The Rossport Solidarity Camp, has always functioned to the highest standards of political responsibility, environmental protection and non-violence. The camp has strict guidelines, which includes a policy of ‘NO DRUGS & NO ALCOHOL, a rule which has always been upheld without exception. The camp has been an inspiration to many people involved in social justice activism who have travelled from all around the world.

And … IT IS HOME to those who have given their all in support of this great campaign.

For those who are coming to Erris at any stage to support the campaign, you may wonder how to react or what to say if or when you are approached, questioned or harassed by Police who have shown over the last number of weeks their propensity to abuse their power to harass, assault and ‘gather intelligence’ under the ‘colour of law’. Opinion is slightly divided here. Should you stand up for your rights, question and challenge the Gardaí on every injustice, risking more attention from out of control police or should you ‘cooperate’ for ‘easy passage’ to wherever you’re going, jeopardising your privacy and constitutional rights. These are personal choices.

Below is some legal opinion from the Black Pope, given today. The Road Traffic Act is too large to publish here, but can be researched online. See RTA 1961-2004, 1961 and 1994 are the two major ones. Beware … the cops might just start ‘quoting’ another act. In that case … Ask Questions and look for ‘chapter and verse’. Use a dictaphone to record conversations, or phones and cameras etc. Do not let any cop steal your property ‘for evidence’.

BLACK POPE'S ADVICE.

GENERAL

Before insisting strongly on your rights as outlined below, it is a good idea to be 100% certain the vehicle is in reasonably good condition and you have valid licence + insurance to drive it. Tax disc, tyres, headlights and indicators are the first things will be checked. If all not in order, the best tactic might be to ‘play soft’.

If a purported garda is not in uniform (including hat on head) or producing a photo warrant card identifying himself (which you are entitled to read), you do not have any legal obligation to co-operate.

It is not the business of any Garda where you are driving from or to, or the purpose of your trip. These are merely nosey questions you are entitled to ignore.

Put the onus on the Garda to explain under what provision of law he
1. stopped you
2. makes any further demands

Use audio/video recording devices if you expect any dispute to arise.

No-one is obliged by ROAD TRAFFIC ACT (RTA) to exit or open a vehicle in any way. All doors locked and driver’s window down 6mm is enough to permit verbal communication and/or passage of licence etc. This handy physical barrier makes any ensuing discussion much more relaxed (for vehicle occupants) and difficult (for the garda).

Breath-testing is now permitted randomly, so that might have to become a 13mm window slit to get the nozzle in through. A garda’s fingers are generally believed to be about 25mm in diameter and covered in fur.

There is no provision for the searching OF a vehicle under the RTA – in the case of an accident involving an injury, gardai may ask a judge for a warrant to search a place or premises FOR a vehicle. Do not ‘voluntarily consent’ to any search. You are not obliged to wait while they go look for a search warrant.

PASSENGERS

Other people in the vehicle are not obliged by any provision of the Road Traffic Acts to give any information at all about themselves, except, in the case where the driver absolutely refuses to identify himself, his name, if they are asked for it.

If a garda is insisting, ask under what provision of law he makes such a demand. If he makes up some rubbish under the RTA refuse to co-operate and tell him he will be held personally liable at civil and criminal law for wrongful arrest and false imprisonment if he abuses his authority further.

LICENCE + INSURANCE – DRIVER(S)

This section applies equally to any DRIVER with a full licence in the vehicle for the purpose of ACCOMPANYING a LEARNER DRIVER on a provisional licence.

If your licence has a place where it should be signed by the holder in order to come into effect, then make sure to sign it, otherwise it may be technically invalid.

If you produce your licence and it is found to be unsigned, you may be lawfully required to sign a book for the purposes of verification.

The law does technically say you are ‘required’ to carry driving licence while driving vehicle.
The 1961.s40 law was controversially changed in 1994.s25 to give discretion to gardai to prosecute you ‘for failure to produce licence there and then’, or ask that you produce it within 10 days.
However, it appears that the requirement does not translate into any legal obligation which is actually enforced or enforcable - the practise after 1994 has remained the exact same and people are not prosecuted for failing to carry their licence at all times, just for failing to have one at all or produce it at a named garda station within 10 days.
Still, this is no guarantee you will not be the first ‘test case’, but does seem to indicate the provision might not withstand a robust legal challenge (on grounds of constitutional right to free movement, introduction of compulsory ID-card by stealth, etc), so the authorities would prefer not to put it to the test.

If a garda is being ratty and insisting on this point, ask “Are you prepared to break the standing orders from the DPP’s office that such prosecutions are not to be brought if the person from whom the licence is demanded is willing to produce it at a nominated garda station within 10 days for inspection?” Such a directive probably does (or will be understood by the garda to) exist. If you pre-empt any demand by volunteering production within 10 days, 95% chance that will short-circuit any dispute on the matter.

If you do not have licence with you, you may be asked for and are legally obliged to give your correct name and address. If you refuse this information, you may lawfully be arrested.

You nominate a station (anywhere in the country) where you undertake to produce licence (and/or insurance if requested) within 10 days. When you do go, always bring a witness, ask for the member in charge (MIC), let them read whatever you are producing, and ensure that a certificate of production be provided in return, according to RTA 1961.s40.1.D

Keep this cert document very carefully, it is your proof and defence against any later charges the gardai may decide to bring through sheer forgetfulness or spite. If the MIC refuses to issue the certificate, ask for the superintendant and make a written complaint co-signed by your witness. Then keep a copy of that instead.

Related Link: http://www.struggle.ws/rsc

Expect to be stopped in your cars and with this kind of attention.
Expect to be stopped in your cars and with this kind of attention.

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author by seanpublication date Wed Oct 18, 2006 22:49author address author phone Report this post to the editors

while the advice given is accurate accordin to the law we all know the cops may not act according to the law and can get stroppy when you question their authority. its everyone personal choice but some feel the best option is to give the police what they want as long you feel that its not too intrusive. it may speed up your trip and that of those with you to the protests

author by Ro55portpublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 00:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

It is my experience that police (in all countries) will attempt to gather information at any opportunity. They will continue to push their luck, so it is better, and easier, to start your interaction with them as you mean to go on. the police are trained to use dialogue often mixing hard and soft questions ie questions that you are obliged to answer with those that you are not.

It is my preferred choice to say nothing right from the start and ask lots of qualifying questions, why do I have to do that..... why have I been stopped, under what powers, officer in charge?

The police are not there to be your friend, and you are not there to be their enemy.

Remember whatever you decide you may wish to change your mind when surrounded by several aggressive police.

author by My Pseudonym - Nonepublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 00:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

It strikes me that Sgt Conor O'Reilly would have a good chance of a defamation case against Indymedia on the basis of what's written above.

And since when were popes qualified to give legal advice?

author by cool jpublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 03:21author address author phone Report this post to the editors

What has emerged from the Morris tribunal and other investigations of garda corruption throughout the country show that the planting of evidence by the gardai is certainly not out of the ordinary and given the level of intimidation, dodgy behaviour and and ill-dicipline by the guards at Bellanaboy over recent weeks, the denizens of the Solidarity camp need to be very wary of garda intrusion and attention!!!

author by Jimbopublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 09:32author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Good advice from the Black Pope on the Road Traffic Acts.

The cops are cheeky fuckers down there like everywhere, they presume you don't know the law and just ride roughshod over people's rights, with no reference to the law. A bit of knowledge can intimidate them a bit from intimidating us.

One of the things I experienced when down there and stopped in car was that they searched bags without the consent of people. I've done some research on this and they are not allowed to do it.

To search people or their stuff, they have to believe a crime has been committed. They will try to get you to open your bag and search through it for them - refuse to do this. Ask them what crime they think has been committed - get the names and details of the cops. They may claim drugs or something, but obviously they have no basis to do it. If they insist on searching, obviously don't forcibly resist but take details and you can go to solicitor later if you wish - you have a case against them.
The thing to cite is your constitutional right to bodily integrity. In reality this right has been curtailed by all the other laws allowing them to search you if they believe a crime has been committed, but this is the right you fall back upon when they can't reasonably believe a crime has been committed.

Public Order Act
It's the Public Order Act that they're likely to do people under at the protest if they do. There are three sections they can do this under:
Section 8 – disobeying direction of the Guards.
Section 9 – wilful obstruction of any person or vehicle on public road. (now we wouldn't be doing anything like that now would we)
Section 12 – riot – where 12 or more people gather “use or threaten to use unlawful violence for a common purpose” and “the conduct of those persons, taken together, is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at that place to fear for his or another person's safety”. – this is the serious one you don’t want to be done for – up to 10 years in jail.

Finally, if they ask for your name and address under the Public Order Act, give it to them - but you don't have to give them your date of birth even though they'll ask for it.

Good luck to everyone going down – don’t allow yourself to be intimidated by Shell’s cops.

author by Daftyweans@wha.iepublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:09author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Why do the garda bother standing out in the rain and the wind and the wet in Mayo photographing and recording the protesters? Why not just log onto indymedia and have a good goo at the photos that the protesters post here of themselves?

Who said 'overtime'?

author by Shells cops?publication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Shells cops??

Arent then just doing their job?? I'm sure none of them want to be there. They are simply enforcing the rule of law.

This sort of sensationalisation demonstrates the immaturity of the protestors.
They are the cops of the Ireland and unfortunatley we have to pay for them.

author by Paul O'Donnellpublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 13:10author address author phone Report this post to the editors

If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck and quacks like a duck, then there's a very good chance it is a duck. Yes the gardaí look like they're Shell's cops, they're acting like Shell's cops and their quacking like Shell's cops.

author by errisechospublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 13:18author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Agreed, this anal labelling of Gardai is childish, counterproductive and inaccurate. I personally know of members of the Guards whom are not happy with the way thier colleagues are being deployed and with the behaviour of certain members. You will get zealous idiots in every walk of life and profession. The Gardai whom were involved in brutish behaviour last week are, I believe in the minority in the force. What can the rest do? They cannot go on strike. To most, they have the same opinion as the rest of the country's population does. That is, they are really ambivalent towards the issue and the clowns whom use words like "shell cops" and personalising the attacks by naming members on duty at Bellanaboy are doing damage to the cause.
Let's face it , the buses heading down to the west tonight will have a large proportion of people whom dont even know where Rossport is and are looking for a bit of craic and a cheap weekend.

author by Starstruckpublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 13:49author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Let's face it , the buses heading down to the west tonight will have a large proportion of people
whom dont even know where Rossport is and are looking for a bit of craic and a cheap weekend."

What the fuck do you even know about anyone who is going down?Answer-Nothing.
You are just being a judgemental,ignorant hack.
The people who have chosen to go to Rossport tonight and brave the intolerable weather
tomorrow morning,followed by the equally intolerable busride back to Dublin tomorrow afternoon,
are doing sso because they,unlike you,understand exactly whats going on down in Rossport.
They also prefer to act and show solidarity and care for those affected rather than merely sit by
a keyboard looking for people to criticise.
Most of those going have already been to rossport,some on many occasions,ALL of the
travellers know where it is-its in IRELAND-and they will be welcomed there by the local
community which finds itself under siege by the IRISH police force.
It is NOT craic getting up ealry in the morning/night and trudging through the driving rain
and wind to the protest.
It is NOT a weekend seeing as the buses are returning less than 24 hours after they departed the capital.
It is NOT cheap as most if not all of those going have had to purchase special waterproof gear and pay the busfare down,not to mention attaining other types of equipment necessary for the conditions.

In short your statement is absolute rubbish and I suggest if you have similar comments to make ,do so in an environment befitting them,such as the Daily Mail Letters sectiion and keep off Indymedia.

author by Con Carroll - class warpublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 14:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

my advice is keep calm
above all keep it peaceful
we who are opposed to shell are not breaking the law
we have many people supporting us
keep upthe protests in a dignified political manner
don't give our opponents any excuses i.e Kenny RTE Duffy Gerry Ryan

Frank Connolly has a good piece in Village magazine this week

I have read that there were people arrested last night

the garda have been seen in police state like fashion

author by Seán Ryanpublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 15:01author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Good article Niall and BP.

I think the idea about recording all and any conversations with Gardaí is not only a good idea but is essential.

If you are stopped by a Garda and he presumes to question you (not when you are in your car), make sure you are recording. Ask him why he has stopped you. You only have to give the Garda your name and your address. Tell him 'no comment' in answer to any other question he has for you.

If you feel the Garda is harassing you, make sure you are recording and ask a question along the lines of: "Under what reasonable suspicion are you stopping me and presuming to question me? I'm recording this interview/interrogation as evidence and anything you say or fail to say can and will be used against you should this issue end up in a court of law."

Most times the Garda will refuse to or be unable to answer this question, make an excuse and then fuck off as fast as their little legs will carry them. If this happens, hang onto the recording, note the Garda's ID number and file a complaint for harassment.

If the Garda answers your question (very unusual) keep the recording and compare notes with other protesters who've been harassed. If everyone gets the same answer, this is excellent evidence of harassment and of the Garda abusing his office. Prosecute!!

I've noted the idea that folks are saying that it's only a few bad apples in the Gardaí that misbehave. That's utter bollocks. If a member of the general public were to go around assaulting people, they'd be arrested very quickly. It might only be a few Gardaí that are assaulting folks. However why don't their upright and legally bound fellow Gardaí arrest them?

To witness an assault and then not arrest the person responsible, is to be complicit in the crime, if you're a garda.

Film things like this and put lots of questions to the Gardaí who witness this behaviour and do nothing. Then prosecute.

Some might see my methodology as confrontational. This is correct. Why be a re-activist when you have the right and the power to be an activist. Turn those who would stomp on your rights and dignity into re-activists.

Regards

author by DAFpublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 15:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors

As usual what started off as an interesting and informative article has fallen into the filthy quagmire of the comments section. It really is a shame that some people have nothing better to do than engage in such pointless bickering despite their claims to have mortgages to pay. The only thing in the more recent posts that is apparent or relevant is that errisechos does not personally know anybody involved in the campaign and has been hoodwinked by the way in whioch the mainstream media have portrayed the Shell to Sea campaign. That isn't necessarily his fault but we would be better off explaining the agenda of the mainstream press than attacking those who have been taken in by it.

author by guydebordisdeadpublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 15:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Sean while i'm sure you have a good knowledge of the law (perhaps gathered from wikipedia or some other source) you express a naivity in thinking the garda ever follow the law or will play by the rules when dealing with dissent. You can't beat the system at it's own game.

Free Rossport

author by Con Carroll - Class warpublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 15:54author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I have sent e mail message to our well informed journalist in RTE Duffy Ryan. Kenny
Williams Sunday World about their media coverage
towards people involved in the campaign

author by S2Spublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 16:01author address author phone Report this post to the editors

We've been referring to the Gardaí as "Shell's Cops" since we heard Willie Corduff say that to them at the blockade a few weeks ago. The full quote was "You're Shell's Cops. You're not neutral now". None of the police present answered him.

They certianly don't seem to me to be behaving impartially.

Most interested observers say that the the tactics used recently in Mayo are not usual at all for Gardaí policing trade disputes, political demonstrations, sit-ins etc.

It would seem to imply that the police have been told to be a disruptive as possible to the protesters, while facilitating Shell in every way. Hence "Shell's Cops"...

author by Behaving impartiallypublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 16:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The Gardai are not there to behave impartially. They are there to apply the law, and of course will have to side with the people upholding the law.

author by krossie - wsm personal capacitypublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 16:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

unlike some of the people on this thread I AM'T paid to spout shit anyways a couple of quickies

"the Gardai whom were involved in brutish behaviour last week are, I believe in the minority in the force. What can the rest do?"

Feckers had no problems getting the flu' when the cash in their pockets was threatened !!

- Last time I looked nobody was being "forced" to join the guards and very few join the guards without knowing which side they will be required to be on.

starstruck:" It is NOT craic getting up ealry in the morning/night and trudging through the driving rain
and wind to the protest."

Here here I could think of far far more enjoyable ways of spending a week end! - See some of yeese down there.

krossie

Related Link: http://www.shelltosea.com
author by Con Carroll - Class warpublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 17:41author address author phone Report this post to the editors

quarter master of intelligence
Paul Williams of the Sunday World should be known as.

author by WrongInfopublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 19:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors

A Garda does not have to have his hat on his head to question/arrest you.

He does have to be in uniform or produce an id card if in plain clothes.

The Gardai have to be there as if they were not a breach of the peace or offences under the public order act would occur every morning. Most dpnt want to be there but are obliged by law to uphold the law.

There is nothing wrong with a peaceful protest but blocking roads (and people going to work) is an offence, the gardai have no option but to act on it.

author by JMpublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 21:38author address Rossportauthor phone Report this post to the editors

The Guards have an obligation to uphold the law, and do so in an impartial manner. This is not happening in Erris.

Last summer, a few days after the jailing of the Rossport Five, two Roadbridge vehicles blocked the public highway at Bellanaboy to facilitate Shell traffic from the refinery site. Neither vehicle displayed tax or insurance, and the vehicles were aggressively driven at protestors, one of whom made a citizens arrest. The whole thing was witnessed by dozens of people, including a number of Guards. Details were only taken with great reluctance and no further action was subsequently taken.

The rule of law does not apply equally at Bellanaboy, and this is just one of many examples of injustice that are occuring daily in the area.

Shell's cops all the way!

Related Link: http://www.shelltosea.com/
author by Dobbarpublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 21:56author address Rossport, Mayoauthor phone Report this post to the editors

(People should contact their local politicians about Garda malpractice and ask them to bring this to Noel Conroy's attention.)

I agree, it is unbelieveable how the Gardai were allowed butt a camera into peoples faces, take names,addresses and confront protesters in a sinister and an intimidatory manner. I already contacted my local politicians and they have brought this to the attention of Michael McDowell and Noel Conroy.

Do the Gardai really think that, by intimidation, they will succeed in deterring protesters? Not a chance. The Shell to Sea protesters are standing their ground and just to say (to any Garda/detective reading this archive) that if your cops continue like that at Rossport, further legal action will be taken.

author by roisin morpublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 22:10author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I hear the people of conamara showed their support to this terrible injustice in erris today.I would like to see a report and photos if it is possible would someone please report it on this.
many thanks

roisin a supporter na furbacha galway

author by number 6 - legalise freedom campaignpublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 23:08author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Michael Staines statement dating from 1922. Staines was the first ever Garda commissioner. He didn't last long. He was replaced by Owen O'Duffy a rampant blueshirt.

This plaque is mounted outside a door in Dublin Castle.

I suppose O'Duffy changed the methodology to its current format.

Staines using the force
Staines using the force

author by ken - supporterpublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 23:41author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I am reluctant to comment or complain about anybody posting their comments on indymedia, but, to Behaving badly, do you think that by SH HELL putting ordinary peoples lives in danger by putting pipes with GAS? pumping through them across peoples lands near to where they live with their families not against the law?. Is that not too, putting lives in danger? Also to Wrong info, if it is against the law and an offence to block the roads, then why aren't ALL the protesters arrested. I also do not think or believe that there would be a breach of the peace every morning like you stated because at all time these peacefull protests have been peacefull and will continue to be so.
I would also like to applaud ALL the other ordinary people with jobs to look after also, that are on their way to Ballinaboy. I am sure it will not be an easy journey and our prayers and thoughts will be with them and hope that they arrive in safety as i know that the gaurds that are 'not' being forced to Ballinaboy will be protecting our roads. I know a couple of people that are traveling tommorrow and all I can say to them is be careful, take advice from the experts that know what they are talking about and most importantley, come home safe.

Good luck to you all from PALLASKENRY. CO.LIMERICK.

author by Joepublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 09:29author address author phone Report this post to the editors

As a person who worked in Rossport last year with Roadbridge and Shell and has now moved to another company, for resons totally unconnected to these happenings, I would just like to point out that all this talk of Garda intimidation with cameras and questions and demanding to know peoples names sounds very familiar.

Last year when my collegues and I were going to work, most mornings we were faced with an anti-gas protestor standing at the gate taking photos of our vehicle reg, our tax and insurance discs, our faces. If we stopped, there were the questions...who are you,?who do you work for? And if we dared go outside the compound or head up the road, there again was someone with a camera. Look back through your archives, I'm sure you have numerous photos of both me and my collegues in the compound.

If what you say the guards are doing to you up there is intimidation, just have a quick think back 15 months or so to when it all took off in Rossport.....a number of anti-gas protestors were just as snap happy and inquizative as this current batch of gardai. Maybe some of you should try for the Garda Reserve?

author by spinnerpublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Joe shows acomplete lack of knowledge about the issue. The protesters are not anti-gas, they are anti an onshore terminal.

author by Shellstruckpublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:29author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Not alone have you got Shell's cops, but don't forget Shell's Media beginning with Mr. J.Fahy and his rubbish on Morning Ireland.

author by Johnny Jump Uppublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:46author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Well Spinner,

Black Pope has penty of "useful" advice to protestors referring heavily to their legal rights and entitlements. It refers to laws to substantiate his claims.

I am simply trying to point out, within context of his post, that by following the advice of Black Pope, and by referring to the statute books, you cannot be selective. You cannot pick what suits and disregard what doesn't. Law doesn't work like that.

I didn't grab my post from another thread, I took it from source (www.irishstatutebook.ie), a thoroughly useful resource for any citizen.

author by spinnerpublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 13:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Would you also criticise the unlawful peaceful resisitance employed by Gandhi in South Africa and India?

author by Johnny Jump Uppublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 13:09author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Spinner, your pedanticism towards Joe is insulting. His point is not about whether the plant is on or off-shore. His point is about the apparent double-standards of posters who complain that the Gardaí are "intimidating" them by taking photos, etc. He has personal experience of civilians behaving in a similar intimidatory manner and he found it hypocritical. That's all.

By the way, it is a role of the Gardaí to collate intelligence gathered, such as participants in this protest, etc. They would not be doing their job if they did any less.

The protestors have no such excuse and should cease and desist immediately.

author by spinner - sock puppet spotterpublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 13:14author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Througout his post Joe purposely misrepresents those in Shell To Sea as anti-gas. This is factually inaccurate not pedanticism.

author by R. Isiblepublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 14:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The Indo reports on a poll of 400 people across Mayo that shows only 15% support the development. It's an Other Press media report so I posted it there. Fianna Fail look like their going to take a hammering over this electorally, but for some reason the Fianna Gael sleeveens are getting away with not being in opposition. Take a look:

Related Link: http://www.indymedia.ie/article/79158
author by Harrypublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 14:54author address author phone Report this post to the editors

....but just as interesting is the fact that 40% of those polled had no opinion on the matter. This supports the point that i have seen people make that the protest has lost its way and people have moved on.

author by R. Isiblepublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 15:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

But what's always interesting in these things are the percentages in the polar extremes. On most issues people will in general express "no opinion" and its the decideds that make the running. The fact that 45% of people were in favour of ShellToSea's proposal to move the development offshore as is normal and only 15% wanted an abnormal highpressure pipeline and the refinery onshore in Rossport is significant.

I would like to see the specific questions that were asked though as opinion polls are hard to evaluate unless one sees the questions.

The last published poll (which was taken by Nuacht/RTE on Sept. 2006) showed a similar marked belief that the refinery should be sited offshore. They published all the questions they used and I'd like to see that with this new poll.

The Nuacht/RTE poll conducted by TNS/mrbi is readable here

Related Link: http://www.corribsos.com/uploads/nuachtmayopollrossport%5B1%5D.pdf
author by jackpublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 15:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

talk polls and discuss design till the cows come home, but is it not apparent that the garda presence in mayo is going to be retained if not increased for as long as is necessary, the government has clearly signalled its intention for the project to proceed, as they will always have greater resources at their disposal its hard to see where exacttly this protest is going

author by Miriam Cottonpublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 18:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Decent people should be ashamed to associate themselves with the fascist tactics being used against peaceful protestors, regardless of whether you care whether the refinery is sited inland or not. It is Shell and the government who are in breach of the law for proceeding with work on the refinery site before the legal challenges have been concluded. Looking at the Gardai at Bellanaboy on Monday morning it was clear that many of them were none to happy to be there. The state is using them too - although some of them are clealry only too happy to allow themselves to be used and have thrown themselves into the violence on the protestors with enthusiasm. Protestors say there are about six who are responsible for the worst of the violence.

author by Jimpublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 19:12author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Of course the government has signalled its support for the project.

It has gone through Plan of Development Approval, Mayo Co Co, An Bord Planala, and various pipeline consents and Independant safety reviews and is now with the EPA.

It is a vital piece of infrastructure for Irelands own indeginous energy supply. (allbeit given away too cheaply but on the other hand very difficult and expensive to prospect for with no guarantee of sucesss which is why the government offered such incentives to the oils companies)

The sad fact about Ireland is that it is even difficult to build a Windfarm or upgrade our waste infastructure beit landfill or inceneration, all of which are more environmentally friendly than people imagine, either recovering leacate and methane (used for power generation), or using refuse for heat recovery and off-setting the use of virgin fossil fuels and associated CO2.

There is a big 'Not in my Back Yard' syndrom in Ireland.

As an environmental engineer i have followed this project with interest and reviewed much of its details and believe with correct the monitoring and control this will be a viable project.

I sympathise with the people of Mayo as this protest has taken on a life of its own and is consuming peoples lives. and I respect the determination displayed by the genuine protestors (not the anarcists, anti globalisationist, who seems to be latching on to this now) people definatly need to come together to resolve this and each give concesions.

There have been some concessions made on Shells part ie pipeline rerouting and pressure reduction. There needs to be a little give on the other side.

If the gas was to be refined at sea it will bring its own environmental problems and it will still require and on shore pipeline and a terminal, so I dont see how this will solve the problem? and is likely to be more dangerous (to workers) and less environmentally friendly

Anyway
I know a lot of people wont like my views, they are however my own views and would appriciate it if I didnt get abuse for my opinion as i've seen else where on this site.

author by A Very Very Big Expert Indeed -- My Real Namepublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 19:25author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Jim, you say that
As an environmental engineer i have followed this project with interest and reviewed much of its details and believe with correct the monitoring and control this will be a viable project.
That sounds like great research and I think you should publish this detailed study here so that we can examine the quality of your work and determine its validity. I'm afraid that just saying "my name is Jim and I'm an expert" doesn't really cut much weight on the internet, especially on a topic like this.

I look forward to reading your detailed review (naturally with references) here. A PDF or plaintext format will suffice.

While you're getting that up I'll just point out to you that saying that Shell has "made a compromise" might be perceived as being disingenuous. If the pipeline still passes within blast radius of people's homes and frequently trafficed public spots then it's not really a compromise. A compromise would involved Shell moving the refinery offshore, which is what the protestors are reasonably asking them to do.

author by spinnerpublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 20:00author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Independant safety reviews " - Neither the Advantica or the British Pipeline Agency saftey revews were independent.
"indeginous energy supply" - feck all in taxes, paying for it at full market value. The gas may as well be coming from Russia, it makes no difference.
"NIMBYism" - The Mayo community are willing to have the project, offshore.
"genuine protesters" - baseless attempt to split the campaign. The problem was republicans now apparently its anarchists.
If the Gas was processed at a shallow offshore terminal the pipeline itself would be safer.

author by honest coppublication date Sun Oct 22, 2006 20:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

just to comment on the mention of shells cops.

i am a member of an garda siochana,and a very proud one at that.

i am not here to say that excessive force was or was not used in the last number of days. i was not there to either support or refute such allegations..

one thing i can say is this.
the purpose of the gardai in rossport is to maintain public order and also to ensure the safe passage to and from work of the employees of shell.
it is every man and womans right to attend their place of work whether we like it or not.

like it or not this is fact.

shell employees are breaking no law going to their place of work. those who obstruct them are.

the constitution identifies the right of people to protest. peacefuly and lawfully.

once a person steps outside this, for example blocking a car, truck or pedestrian in a public space, shouting abuse at people attending their place of work, threatening those going to their place of work they are no longer protesting within their rights but are in contravention of a number of laws, not just the public order act.

it is as simple as this. by continuing to do what you are doing, blocking traffic, shouting abuse at workers etc. you are breaking the law. as much force as is necessary can be used to stop you from committing an offence and will be. the only persons breaking the law are those protesting. shell are legally there whether we like it or not and will be.

if you wish to make a stand and lawfully do so you, the protestors must change your tactics. by being arrested in rossport you are not a martyr, you have achieved nothing. you will be brought to court, not shell. you will have a conviction, not shell.

i do not belive shell should have gone in with their bully boy tactics when the came to rossport. they're there now and will be there.

those who heckle and jeer and abuse the employees should be ashamed of themselves. these are people trying to do a days work.. nothing more. how dare anyone criticise them, regardless who their employer is.

i am not a shell enforcer, i am a law enforcer. simple as that.

last point.. this site named me and pasted my numbers on its site. accused me of assaulting a protester. dangerous game to be playing at. no complaint was made against me. in doing this you, referring to "indymedia" leave yourselves wide open to civil action for defemation of my good character!
if i make an allegation against a person in my capacity as a garda i must follow through with evidence and have the matter investigated and submitted to the dpp. indymedia, as a socalled responsible media organistion have an obligation to print the truth, not anti police ranting..

start being responsible, if dialogue could be used to bring about peace in northern ireland surely it might be an idea for protestors to consider dialogue too???

author by M Cottonpublication date Sun Oct 22, 2006 21:25author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"one thing i can say is this.
the purpose of the gardai in rossport is to maintain public order and also to ensure the safe passage to and from work of the employees of shell.
it is every man and womans right to attend their place of work whether we like it or not.

like it or not this is fact.

shell employees are breaking no law going to their place of work. "

Actually, I think you'll find that they are breaking the law when the work is the subject of as yet undecided legal proceedings. Your proper role in the circumstances should be to prevent the workers and Shell from commencing work on the site, not phsyically assaulting peaceful protestors who protecting their community from law breakers. Funny old world.

author by curiouspublication date Sun Oct 22, 2006 22:32author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Dear honest, no doubt hard working cop,

If the protesters are breaking the law, why didn't you arrest them? All of them?

author by c.publication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 00:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Indymedia operates on a set of guidelines which are implemented as a voluntary donation. allegations which are contested, or other content you believe is in contravention of the guidlines, should be reported to the editorial lists - either by using the report post button, the contact form or the editorial list itself. It is also good to put a link to the relevant post (this will automatically be done from the report post button) so that anybody who reads your report can easily follow up, and details on the guideline you believe it contavenes.

author by JMpublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 01:05author address Rossportauthor phone Report this post to the editors

In a true democracy (if there is such a thing) the people have their say and it is implemented by those elected to represent the masses. If they fail to carry out the wishes of the people, other, more honest representatives are voted in to take their place and provide just governance.

Unfortunately for us in Ireland, and in this particular case Erris, the express wishes of the people are being completely ignored. Ignored by Mayo County Council, ignored by An Bord Pleanala, ignored by government, ignored by the opposition, ignored by the "popular" media, and consequently ignored by large sections of the mis-informed public.

The protests at Bellanaboy are a damning indictment of our failed democracy. If the rule of law (as applied by the State) is adhered to, then the Corrib Gas Project will proceed against the wishes of the communities affected. Eventually, decades down the line, some of the arguments against the development will be proven valid, but the environmental and health costs will have already been incurred by the communities. Much too little, far too late.

The project must be stopped, in the here and now, by the people who live in and care for the place in which we live, and hold in trust for the generations to come.

Related Link: http://www.shelltosea.com/
author by W. Finnerty.publication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Dear Honest Cop,

I wonder if you have ever considered the fact that the Republic of Ireland Government is breaking the law in really major ways regarding a whole string of environmental issues, and that it has been doing so for several years now - and all with the tacit approval and support of the legal profession?

For example, the Republic of Ireland signed the United Nation Aarhus Convention Agreement in 1998, and has been COMPLETELY, and unlawfully, ignoring it ever since.

The following piece of text is from the United Nations web site, and I wonder how you think it fits in with events over the past several years relating to Shell issues in the Rossport area? And, you might also ask yourself where are the lawyers who could be using the kind of information quoted below to help the people of Rossport to defend themselves - in the courts of law and elsewhere?

"The Aarhus Convention is a new kind of environmental agreement. It links environmental rights and human rights. It acknowledges that we owe an obligation to future generations. It establishes that sustainable development can be achieved only through the involvement of all stakeholders. It links government accountability and environmental protection. It focuses on interactions between the public and public authorities in a democratic context and it is forging a new process for public participation in the negotiation and implementation of international agreements." (As you see for yourself, this piece of text has been taken from the following United Nations Internet location: http://www.unece.org/env/pp/ )

Please note also that it is not a question of the politicians, lawyers, and senior members of the Garda Siochana not knowing about the lawless and bizarre activities Republic of Ireland public officials and bodies are indulging themselves in (relating to the Aarhus Convention Agreement), because they have been reminded and asked questions about it on a number of occasions by myself. One (of many) examples of my efforts - over a period of several years - can be found at the following address:
http://www.finnachta.com/Hotmail24Oct2004/Euro52billion.htm

You may wish to take particular note of the fact that among those listed at the above address is Garda Commissioner Noel Conroy (Chief Commissioner of Police, Republic of Ireland) - who I understand actually comes from County Mayo.

More general information on the Aarhus Convention Agreement can be found at:
http://www.finnachta.com/TheAarhusConvention.htm

William Finnerty.

Related Link: http://www.europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.com/
author by Seán Ryanpublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 20:30author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Anyone remember the third Ploughshares trial?

The term 'Lawful excuse' springs to mind. So, not only do the people of Rossport have the right to peaceful protest, they have the right to defend themselves using non violent direct action. I'm saying 'non violent direct action' even though I believe they are fighting for their right to exist. I don't believe the situation merits violent direct action yet.

Life limb and property are in danger in Mayo (and elsewhere) and in addition to the right to protest, the peoples there have a right and indeed an obligation to protect themselves.

Let me give an extreme example of how this right to protect life limb and property works: Say you see a man hold a woman in a choke hold and point a gun to her head. You believe this man is about to kill this woman, so you rush over and clock him with your hurley. What law have you broken?

Answer: none.

So speaking of public order, what actions are the Gardaí taking to ensure that nobody is endangered by the actions of Shell? What action are they taking to ensure that their fellow Gardaí are not abusing the rights of those they are sworn to protect (when they swore an oath to the Constitution - hint: the Constitution does not refer to the rights of a multi-national scumbag to ride roughshot over the rights of citizens).

author by cool jpublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 22:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I would just like to ask that guard does he approve of his collegues assualting peacefull protesters? This a civil despute between Shell and local objectors who have only sought to block the entrance to the proposed refinery and not public roads. It is the guards who have been blocking public roads over the last few weeks to suit Shell and their contractors - very much a case of SHell' s cops I'm afraid!!!!!!!

PS - Just like to point out too for the umpteenth time that Shell do not have planning for a number of elements of the refinery and much of its infrastructure quiet apart form the issue of the raw gas pipe!!

author by Niall Harnett. - Rossport Solidarity Camp.publication date Wed Oct 25, 2006 00:48author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Hi 'Honest Cop'.

You know that excessive force was used and you are being dishonest when you use excuses to avoid commenting on that.

The purpose of the Gardaí in Bellanaboy is the same as any cop anywhere - to uphold and enforce the law. Ensuring safe passage to a place of work is not your function if that place of work is illegal. Even if Shell were operating legally on that site, which they are not, then it is your job to uphold the law in ensuring safe passage of workers. So ... why are you and the other Shell Cops breaking the law by violently asaulting people instead of ... eh ... arresting them according to the law.

Apart from all this, Honest Cop, don't you know that laws were specifically changed by Fianna Fáil's Frank Fahey, to suit Shell. Laws were re-written to give Shell a license to 'compulsorily acquire' land in Rossport and for the first time in the history of this State, a foreign and private company were granted powers under legislation originally designed for projects 'in the national interest'. As you may know, another man - Ray Burke, who spent time in prison for corruption, signed away the Corrib Gas, a natural resource which belongs to you and me, to Shell ... in their interest only ... for nothing. And now you and I will have to buy it back from them at whatever price they choose. By the way, Frank Fahey's conduct as minister for the marine at the time is now being investigated by the Ombudswoman Emily O'Reilly along with other matters. See http://www.villagemagazine.ie/article.asp?aid=2134&iid=...ud=40 .

So Honest Cop, can't you see that Shell can even make the law in this country when we have corrupt poiticians like Fahey & Burke in 'public service'. And I'll tell you this ... we at Bellanaboy will NOT abide by those laws, we will break them in the same way as we will break Shell & An Garda Síochána, democratically and non-violently.

And as another writer put it: Let there be no doubt concerning this matter: the Government has granted State powers to a foreign corporation, one which has funded and equipped death squads in the Niger Delta.

So now Honest Cop, can you see now how you are, in fact, enforcing Shell law.

You are a Shell law enforcer ... a Shell Cop.

Shell Law Maker, Frank Fahey - under investigation for corruption.
Shell Law Maker, Frank Fahey - under investigation for corruption.

Related Link: http://www.struggle.ws/rsc
author by Mossiepublication date Wed Oct 25, 2006 08:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Niall, may I call you Niall?

Please tell me how Shell's activity at the terminla site is illegal? To save you time, I am only asking about the statement you make that the work being undertaken at the terminal is illegal>

Thanks

Mossie

author by Seamuseenpublication date Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:11author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Mossie - for part of the reason why the whole Shell operation in Rossport is illegal please see at:
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/79125?comment_limit=0&c...72758

It only appears lawful to many because of rampant corruption, corruption, and yet more corruption: which is being sustained by Minister for Justice McDowell for the benefit of himself and his associates in elitist cliques such as the "Bilderberg Group".

And, the Government & Shell only appear to be succeeding at Rossport because of unlawful bullying, bullying, and yet more bullying, which they have tricked the Garda Siochana into delivering on their behalf - and which, thanks to the media barons and the state broadcasters, the vast majority of the voters have been duped and hoodwinked into believing is "strong government" acting in the best interests of the "common good" of all Republic of Ireland citizens.

In reality, it is a lawless and corrupt Government acting in the best interests of some of the world's richest, most ruthless, most powerful, and most dangerous thugs.

Related Link: http://www.google.com/search?q=McDowell%2C+Bilderberg%2C+Corruption&btnG=Google+Search
author by Small bruvpublication date Wed Oct 25, 2006 14:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Mossie asked a perfectly simple question....how are Shells activities illegal?

As usual not much factual evidence was put forward by Seamuseen other than the United Nation Aarhus Convention Agreement (1998). I’m no lawyer but a case could be argued that Shell and the Government did talk with all stakeholders extensively. It was just a case of a minority disagreed with the project.

Are we to then consign large projects of national importance to the scrap heap because a small minority object? If we did then I dare say there would not be a new road; new rail link or new house built in this country. Thats democracy right?

Planning and Consent has been given, indeed planning condition are freely available for all to see.

Its easy say its unlawful or in this instance say everyone is corrupt or that some global conspiracy is underway with multinationals, government, media and the guards all in it together. They are not that clever.

You could also be forgiven for thinking that there are malevolent powers at work that’s sole purpose is to suck this planet dry. Get real.

I for one think we should do all in our power to protect the environment. I conceed the point fossil fuels are not the answer. As a stop gap, gas powered turbines and gas home central heating systems are a cleaner alternative from an environmental stand point than coal, oil and especially turf.

author by M'asal beag dubhpublication date Wed Oct 25, 2006 14:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Mossie, further information regarding illegality of refinery in Bellanaboy to be found on page 16 of today's Irish Times. Excellent, if very techical, article by Leo Corcoran and Brian Coyle, both engineers. Some excerpts below:

"The minister's consents for the onshore and offshore pipelines are in breach of EU Directive 98/30 because he failed to include a requirement that the pipeline comply with a code of practice."

"The ground for proper planning was narrowed even further when, in October 2000, before the developer applied for planning permission, the Taoiseach and the minister attended a public meeting to witness the signing by the developer and Bord Gáis of a deal whereby Bord Gáis built a pipeline from Bellanaboy to the national grid at Galway and the announcing of a purchase by Bord Gáis of 26 per cent of the promised production"

"An Bord Pleanála inspector stated that..'the developer . . . ignored the board's request that it provide information about alternatives' and that the minister's consent for the pipeline 'could reasonably be determined as being premature' and had 'emphasised a perception to some degree that the granting of planning permission for the . . . processing terminal at the Ballanaboy site is a fait accompli'. As the connecting downstream pipeline from Bellanaboy to Galway was already decided and announced, this conclusion is unavoidable."

"..When An Bord Pleanála granted permission for the site, it was unaware that the consents for the connecting upstream pipelines were essentially void, since the minister failed to include a requirement in his consents that the pipelines comply with a code of practice."

"In the case of the Corrib pipeline, the developer claimed to comply with BS 8010. However, this document was not specified by the minister in his consents for both sections of the upstream pipeline, and he issued his approvals without an obligation in law for the pipeline to comply with a code of practice. This was a very serious omission, as it could allow the developer to legally operate the facility in breach of the code.

"..Also by issuing both authorisations without any requirement for compliance with a code of practice, the minister failed to ensure that natural gas undertakings were treated consistently with regard to their rights and obligations as per Article 3 of the directive."

author by Remove Noel Dempsey TDpublication date Wed Oct 25, 2006 14:50author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Corruption on a national scale.

If they won't go- vote them out, run candidates against them.

author by W. Finnerty.publication date Wed Oct 25, 2006 19:15author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Allowing for the way Minister for Justice McDowell TD is being publicly accused (in writing) of corruption, why is it that he not issuing any injunctions - as would normally be the case if the accusations were false?

This point has been raised in an e-mail sent earlier today to a number of people, including 17 MEPs (Members of the European Parliament).

As some will already know, one of the 17 MEPs included in the above mentioned "Group of 17", Mr Ashley Mote, has been asking some VERY awkward questions about rampant, totally out-of-control corruption in the European Union: which is thought to involve the so called "Illuminati's global slush fund", allegedly managed from Brussels, and according to one report estimated to be in the region of "65 Trillion Dollars" (please see http://www.arcticbeacon.com/23-Mar-2006.html ).

So far, Mr Mote does not appear to be getting any useful answers to the questions he and his highly experience associate, "forensic accountant" Mr Christopher Story FRSA of "International Currency Review", have been seeking.

For future reference purposes, full details of today's e-mail to 17 MEPs can be viewed at the following address:
http://www.europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.co...l.htm

How many brown envelopes would it take to hold "65 Trillion Dollars" (in used notes) I wonder?

Related Link: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Ashley+Mote%2C+Corruption%2C+Christopher+Story&btnG=Search
author by Mossiepublication date Thu Oct 26, 2006 08:50author address author phone Report this post to the editors

If (and it still appears a big if to me) the project is in breach of these EU directives etc then the project should be challenged through the normal channels and the EU provides options for citizens to use in order to seek legal clarification. These channels should be used rather than blocking people going about the work.

There is no point quoting a Bord Pleanala inspector whose opinion was considered by the Bord before granting planning permission. This guys opinions were taken into consideration - and some of his opinions most liely are reflested in the conditions attached to the planning permission. If they werent it merely reflects the Bord's collective view that his argumenst were not persuasive.

author by Plannerpublication date Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:00author address author phone Report this post to the editors

At this stage, when you've seen the state stand by and let Shell force ordinary citizens to spend three months in prison; when the courts have connived in the most appalling record of bullying against the local community, and when the planning system has shown itself to be seriously at fault, if you think trying to resolve this situation any way other than by people power you are deluded.

Many people believe that An Bord Pleanala was leaned on by the Taoiseach when the original applications were rejected. It is said that Ahern told them he would wind up the Bord and bring in a more compliant body if they didn't make things easier foor Shell. No proof of this of course, but ask a journalist what they heard about the sudden shiift in the way An Bord Pleanala treated this project and that's what they'll tell you... Makes a lot of sense doesn't it?

author by W. Finnerty.publication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

To "Planner" (please see above):

I would be very much inclined to agree with you - "people power" and "Almighty God" (Article 44.1 of Bunreacht na hEireann) are the only things likely to bring the "Tin Gods" (i.e. the bullies and the thugs) down off their "high horses", at this late stage of the game.

Related Link: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Tin+Gods%2C+Public+Officials%2C+Corruption&btnG=Search
author by cool jpublication date Sat Oct 28, 2006 04:56author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You keep asking why Shell's actions are illegal, people here have already pointed out why this is the case - Do you have a problem reading simple English???

author by fear bolgpublication date Fri Nov 10, 2006 23:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

After the disgraceful scenes in Ballinaboy today isn't it amazing how clear Bertie was in his comments afterwards. He is normally dithering over every issue and to come out with a clear statement like this shows he is terrified of an enquiry into the whole history of the corrib gas issue. This man obviously is hoping that the whole issue will just go away. If Burke and Fahy end up in the dock over this in years to come Bertie will just mumble that things were different then and he knew nothing about it. WELL THIS ISSUE WILL NOT GO AWAY AS MUCH AS F.F, THE PDs , RTE AND Indo PAPERS WOULD WISH IT TO DO SO.THIS STRUGGLE WILL GO ON.

author by Garda reportpublication date Sun Nov 12, 2006 17:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Shell 2 Sea should do soem intellegence of their own. Supporters should be asked to supply any personal info known about the cops in Rossport and elsewhere. Names, ages, addresses, phone numbers etc. If the cops are happy in how they conduct themselves in their day to day jobs then they should have no problems in having this information publicised.

Who is this conor O'Reilly? where does he live? What's his station?

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