EU Housing ministers' Summit Cancelled.

by &c.., Thu Oct 12, 2006 19:11

no tindrás una casa en la puta vida
no vas a tener una casa en la puta vida
you're not getting a house in your fucking life

leaves you with limited choices -

* make friends with your parents & have your kids under their roof.
* get a vocation for religious orders & go on the missions.
* falsify your birthcert & join the army & go to Lebanon where no-one has a house anyway.

"the ministers of housing were going to meet in BCN" - no matter you're still never getting a house in your fucking life.

some of the 15,000 ordinary working or middle class young people mobilised to protest peacefully on September 30th.

by Christopher Columbus Thu Oct 12, 2006 20:31

Did the US Army march today?

It was publicised as a Rapprochement between Spain and the US, members of the US
Army were suppoused to March in Madrid today which is both Christopher Columbus
Day - the discovery of the 'New World' (slavery/abuse) and Spainish day.

by iosaf Fri Oct 13, 2006 15:12

It has nothing to do with Housing or the fact that according to all opinion polls & commercial press the agenda of the Housing Movement have moved to centre stage for the Catalan Elections of November 1st. (which is quite newsworthy - imagine if Shell or Hospital Beds or Bin Tax went from being a marginal lefty young person issue to 4 pages of debate and analysis every single day. The Catalan political parties are fielding questions now on only one thing - how many houses will you build? what assistance will you give young people to move out of their parents' home? what can you do to stop mortgage & thus rent costs increase now that their value has left salaries and wages behind? What can you offer a young couple at 30 years of age "with not so much money" who have just had a kid (like each of their siblings living in their parents' home) for their future - instead of a 50 year mortgage?

Anyway - you have affordable housing in Ireland which is why you don't have a government department for such things.

the 12th of October saw :-

* Spanish army and NATO allies (including the USA) march together in Madrid. As usual family members of the Spanish armed forces in the guest seating area boo-ed and cat-called Zapatero as he took his seat. (This is because he is a rojo who wouldn't keep their kids in Iraq & he speaks to Basques.)

* Falange march in Pamplona Navarra to say "Navarra is Spain not Basque" speeches end with the wonderful line "there is little more problematic in life than being a spaniard".

* Basque independence supporters march in Pamplona to say "Navarra is the Basque not Spain". (against the backdrop of most of Navarra saying it's neither Spanish nor Basque - which is helpful)

* Veterans of the 1936 Spanish Civil War Republican forces march in Barcelona to say "it was a legitimate republic" & they're still alive to be saluted. I saw them. Fine body of geriatrics.

* Fascist sentimentalists march somewhere else in Barcelona to say "it was our coup d'etat and if Luis Carrero Blanco hadn't been killed in 1973 they'd still be in charge and everyone would give their style of salute" & have moustaches & sunglasses.

* A group of 400 young people of "squatter appearance" march in Barcelona to say "there's nothing to celebrate on Oct 12". Just in case they had bazookas (consult article above) each youngster was accompanied by one police man. Though the police say that's exagerration - "there were only 1.3 police agents per youngster".


Anyway - you have affordable housing in Ireland which is why you don't have a government department for such things. & you only have one military parade a year at Easter to celebrate your FF regime.
So this is probably difficult to understand.

by flatulence Fri Oct 13, 2006 16:28

Time ye came back and saw the 'property market', thats why we don't have a government
but a regime. Millionaires are made out of land and property and the ones who fall
out of the vicious circle spend 18-24 months in homeless hostels, then get crappy little houses
unsuited to their needs. Average for single parents on the 'list'- 5-9 years.The socialists are
too busy masturbating over theory to help, because there is no currency in individual struggle.

BUT ye cannot direct the Irish Revolution from Spain
can ye-now?

yep- we have a wonderful society, who gave Mr Ahern +8% in the opinion polls today.

by Michelle Clarke Fri Oct 13, 2006 21:43

The Celtic Tiger or the The Celtic Pussycat or even maybe a potential cess pool

One man's gain is another man's loss.!!!!

Tree lined roads and Georgian houses that once were referred to as Pre 1963 properties and housed tenants in flats, are now sought after as family homes and cost millions.

But there are secret victims. People who have been loyal tenants for near 30 and 40 years and in the prosperity they face harassment.

Has anyone heard of these people? These 'so called affluent' who are faced with subtle moves to oust them from their homes and who ultimately have to defend the right to stay in their home or face 'Ejectment' and the Sherriff. What an awful word Ejectment is - no illusions here?

How smug are we? Why can people not listen to others? Why are these elderly gentility subject to ejection because others see the crest of the wave in market prices, for houses they own. Houses that over time, will make them serious money and consolidate their cash in the meantime.

Baggot Street, Dublin 4, always appealed to me. Now that one can have coffee 'a la pavement', you can meet others from diverse walks of life with that diversity we in Ireland need so much.

A la pavement is thanks to Minister McDowell, a D4 being, and has grown from his idea of the French Cafe Culture, but typical of Ireland, it has taken on its own traditional form of culture.....Dogs too are allowed convene and befriend their own daily pedestrians who have a penchant for dogs.

Back to this point. Let me say that this D4 that is so associated with wealth, is also associated with true hidden hardship of some elderly people who face eviction orders. I would ask people to consider this. Do you know anybody who may be to shy or ashamed to mention anything say Living in Ranelagh or Rathmines.......Phibsboro?

Where do these hidden and secret people go when evicted from their homes say after 40 years.....? Do we really care?

Are the health services vigilent enough to know about their real live insecurities. Personal experience of mental health services says most definitely not.

I will go so far to say that many of those who are presently homeless have been evictions from rented rooms in now affluent bourgeoisie houses in the leafy Dublin 4 and Dublin 6 areas.

Do you realise that if you become petrified of opening the post and paying the utilities bill, in law you are effectively put in the denial category and this is No Defence.

Can you imagine being 30 years in your home? Then you receive an Ejectment Notice to be out within 3 weeks.

Is this not inhuman? Have we gone too far........

Greed and the illusion of power!
Many years ago Charlie Haughey went to his psychiatrist and his doctor asked him politely - Napoleon when did you start thinking you were Charlie Haughey and Haughey sobbed on his knees, help me doctor, help me - Haughey had his Waterloo and the greedy in this country, the unscrupulous landlords will have their Waterloo someday also (KTW.)
Quotation by: an Irish citizen who is asking the Irish people - Where is the Fair Play towards the ordinary Irish people e.g. the elderly, the impoverished, mental health problems, diabilities and above all the Corrib where Irish people are fighting against the greatest evil today - Corporatism.

I am sure the people who signed the Proclamation would agree with me tonight.

Michelle Clarke. ( a house in Wellington Road and mews site cost approx. IR#3,000 in 1963) This may give some perspective

Quotation
African Dilemma
Julius Nyerere 1922 - 1999 President of Tasmania on the Rwanda Burundi conflicts.......
'The biggest obstacle is that those who are in power are like one riding on the back of a tiger. And they really want almost a water-tight assurance before they get off because they feel if they get off the tiger's back, it will eat them" - could not put it better........The deadly Sin of Greed

by iosaf .:. Fri Oct 13, 2006 23:19

They are pretty much the same as any other middle to higher economy state of the EU.

At bottom is one the flaws of how our continent went from EEC to EU.
Allowing equal purchasing rights without borders facilitated trans-national real estate speculation. For years now the comfortably off and often elder citizens of northern European states have taken for granted that they can afford to buy a second or retirement home in the sunnier & cheaper south.

Multiple cities of southern and central Europe competed to make the rough guide to retirement home playground or trendy weekend home destination. The onslaught of budget air-travel & a generational movement of labour from secure contracts or conditions to tourism or service related sectors compounded the situation.


Yet the poor didn't stop breeding! New mouths continued to be born demanding yet more space.


We are quickly running out of housing space in many of the EU's cities and the only space left has moved from council or privately rented condition to 50 year mortgage terms. Terms which realistically will never be held. A generation of "lower than average income" Europeans (meaning they earn less than the average of richer Europeans) can not afford to live in their own cities.

So............

* we build new housing estates outside of the fashionable centres of Prague, Barcelona, Dublin. New houses that will become in turn ghettos?

* We offer incentives to "newly weds" to buy a mortgage on a new housing estate without proper transport infrastructure to their current place of work which in any case is insecure, and all for a minimum of 50 years?

* We stop the poor breeding?

*@* we stop the real estate bubble................ sorry but it's over now. "you're going into negative equity & your tenants with you we'll call it 2st century rack-renting."

Next Monday & Tuesday would have seen 20 of the 25 EU states meet to discuss housing initiatives in Barcelona for their anual summit. "As if everything was o.k." Thanks to the genius of the various housing campaign groups of that city's political strategy the summit is postponed indefinitely : But we must still articulate what we want & how we propose to solve this fundamental pan-European injustice. & yes in the process the future government of Catalonia will be decided yet again by those who abstain from voting.


http://bcn.vdevivienda.net/
http://www.sindominio.net/miles/?q=image
http://vivienda.todaviapordeterminar.com/
http://barcelona.indymedia.org

all over our continent, old catty women wonder will their off-spring ever have a house in their fucking lives.

by C Murray Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:17

There was a case in Dublin6 of an elderly woman, age of ninety, who could not
retain her home so she did as many of the older tenants do and sold the
house. The legal contract gave her a protected tenancy. She had lived in the
house most of her married life, raised her daughters. There were a few deaths,
and not all of the older people in her family. She has a very strong connection
to the home and many memories.

The landlord started getting a bit pissed off at the longevitiy of his 'protectee',
remember it was her home, but property prices in the area are 10-12 million,
(artificial inflation of the property market)

He moved a gang of young male students with cars, women, private income
in, about three years ago. They made a lot of noise, ruined the carpets, so they had
to take them up-thereby removing noise insulation from above her sleeping
area. She went to a home to recover. There are a lot of homes in Dublin 6.

The ceiling (in the home) fell on her and she decided, by christ to go home
as the students were only 'boys'. She and they enjoy a wonderful relationship now.
They have moved the parties away from her sleeping area and she hides her
hearing aid at night.

The home is under investigation.
The landlord is happily involved in other areas of concern.
The property bubble is about to go.
She likes to walk her dog and we meet daily for the chat.

She is so far lucky.

A group of Phillipino nurses and their kids were evicted down the road.
A family of indian children went to a homeless hostel, Priced out of the rental market.

There is no communication between the varied organisations within the homeless
services, anyone who tells you there is is a liar.
I had one on the phone who told me that she did not inspect properties for suitability
whilst re-housing long-term homeless. That is ongoing.

by ipsiphi Sat Oct 14, 2006 18:30

More brilliant campaigning from the housing movement in Bcn as they entered the store IKEA on Friday 13th to find a bed. A bed measures more than 2 squared metres which at present would cost this happy couple 6,000eu over a 50 year period, tax fiddling, breaking bollox, index linked, easy to put together yourself.

Of course in the hinterland of the Catalan electorate, the slogan & advertising campaign of IKEA in this 1936 anniversary year {"the independent republic of your house"} made a mark. Neither independent nor a republic..,

The first analysis of the weight of abstention in these forthcoming elections has been offered today by the centre press "La Vanguardia" who suggest the thrust of "not voting" favours nationalist party result. The same newspaper devoted an editorial entitled No Violents! following up on its declaration of a "riot!" last week (C/F http://indymedia.ie/article/78839?&condense_comments=fa...70518 ) congratulating the Catalan police force on their supervision of 400 youngsters of "squater appearance" on October 12th. Because of course there was 1.3 mossos d'esquadra walking side by side with the terrifying anti-system youngsters. Who "La Vanguardia" tells us count on a global travel network to support their shilelee-wielding-shaninigans. I repeat on my filagree web bounce opinion space -

I find this talk of 200 or 250 "professional troublemakers" distasteful. Every time a few hundred youngsters line up a few days later to walk around accompanied by riot cops. & as of yet the commercial press has published no definitive photo-evidence to support their assertion that a bazooka was indeed used. In my experience the real professional troublemakers have really good alibis. The sight of the mossos d'esquadra in riot gear walking each youngster protesting "October 12 nothing to celebrate" might have brought tears or joy or irony or fear from the veterans of '36.

The PSOE/PSC candidate for next president of the "Generalitat" (the Catalan government) has told reporters at the start of his campaign that he doesn't want the mortgages of the tripartite . A reference of course to mortgages ("hipoteca" in the local tongue as the baby in the illustration above shows). This is certainly an interesting reference to the 3 party coalition that ruled Catalonia for the "estatut" which like IKEA gave neither independence nor a republic nor even an affordable 2.5 metres squared for you and "someone special".

In response the CiU "opposition" block have launced their TV campaign in some cinema somewhere unfashionable. The Catalan TV of course have decided to sue them for using images without permission to attack the ERC. (you can see the leader of the ERC holding a crown of thorns in Jerusalem here - (no problem) read about it and learn..., c/f http://indymedia.ie/article/69891?comment_limit=0&conde...11259


Of course we are still many days from the moment the Katalalalanders will either vote or get a home in their fucking lives.

http://bcn.vdevivienda.net/
http://www.sindominio.net/miles/?q=image
http://vivienda.todaviapordeterminar.com/

IKEA Friday 13th 2006. you may afford one of their beds, but you're not gonna have a house in your fucking life.

by C murray Sat Oct 14, 2006 20:09

Ikea have got the go-ahead to build a massive hyper-market on the M50.
the locals are worried saying there is not the infra-structure.

Mr Dick Roche of the M3 (land grab) is responsible:

Of course there will be lovely housing estates all over Tara, with their little swinging
US style letter boxes and names such as Maedbh Hall, Tara view.
These will not be social housing units ,as they will be built by the cronies that
are getting huge pay-back from the re-zoning iniatives.

Minister Dick Roche brought in Nice 2. The SIB (which was amended on its passage
through the dail to include gas pipe-lines)

Navan is not on his turf as FF ministers do not shit on their own door-step.

No-one profits from corrupt planning.

People in Lucan still have inadequate school and youth facilities due to the machinations
of a now dead FF TD.

Navan/Meath and the re-zoners and profiteers are however on the doorstep of
Mr Noel dempsey's constituency, (currently harassing and criminalising the
Erris community in order to increase his crony power base).

by :-) Sat Oct 14, 2006 22:13

The swedish based furniture & interior design corporation IKEA has been a regular enough target for indymedia reported activity in the EU (including Ireland) over the last year :-

http://germany.indymedia.org/2005/07/123519.shtml
http://indymedia.nl/nl/2002/12/7805.shtml
http://germany.indymedia.org/2004/08/88622.shtml
http://barcelona.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/208...ments
http://estrecho.indymedia.org/granada/feature/display/2...x.php
http://euskalherria.indymedia.org/eu/2006/09/32509.shtml
http://italy.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/463523.php
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/68574

what is it about the "easy to assemble" furniture we see in petty bourgoise rented accomodation all over this continent which reminds us we are "so upset"?

thank you IKE@ for class conscienceness!

have you wondered about the (IKEA)($=€) housing equation? & taken that to Class Conscience realisation?

by Brass Tacks Sun Oct 15, 2006 17:19

Accomodation Disadvantage
A Study to Identify Women's Accomodation Experiences, Useful Data Sources
and Major Research Gaps.

(Threshold and NWCI)

email: info@nwci.ie
Website: www.nwci.ie

Threshold:

email:info@threshold.ie
Cork: advice@threshold.ie
threshold@eircom.net
thresholdgalway@eircom.net
www.threshold.ie

Private Lives- Public issues: An investigation into the health status of Female Drug users
Merchant's Quay Project.

One Hundred Homeless Women: Health Status and health service use of Homeless Women and their Children in Dublin.

Issues also: Travellers and ex-prisoners, relationship breakdown and abuse
(for both Genders).

Housing and Gender Equality.
"For many women a key determinant of econmic status is family status"

ye can read this or talk to the people who have been on the housing list for years.
The experience is entirely different to the clinical overview provided by the
Qualative analysis- but its a good introductory into the issue of housing.

by Breandán mac Gearailt Mon Oct 16, 2006 01:36

"Ireland which has no such ministry might have gone along to observe."

If Ireland had a housing ministry, Fianna Fáil - which is completely tied up with connections to bankers, property barons and construction firms - would find it hard to justify its position in government.

by Brass Tacks Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:47

Yes, the land masses that go up for sale are the job of Bertie Ahern's Brother.
The devlopers move in. There is a nod to social housing, we get manicurists,
cafes , bars and low mortgage or 100% mortgages.
The notion of housing for all is an oxymoron.

The bank owns ye for the rest of your life.
The property bubble is articially inflated.
No community resources.

Look at the ex-estates Ballymun, St Michaels.
The sprawl of Adamstown , Lucan.
Property prices are at a premium and new middle class homes
are put up cheek to jowl with ghettoised sink estates- hence the cameras, the
barbed wire-have to keep the poor out (all those social problems).

The social problems are caused by deprivation.
The aspirational class chooses to ignore the issue because they know that they
are one step away from it, if something collapses or someone gets ill.

Noel Ahern TD. (Greasy -tiller)