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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8In addition to the above, see Luke Gibbons' intro to the recently published script of the film, partly published on:
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Yes, it was indeed disgraceful the RTE allowed a documentary that interviewd peter Hart. What a shocker! He has only written a book on Cork and another on the IRA 1916-23! Is the review saying that he should have been ignored? The number of anti-Hart views seemed to be in the majority in my view and fair enough. But to complain just because he is there at all seems to want to have your cake and eat it. The torture inflicted on Hales and his comrades was detailed graphically in Hart's first book and the above photograph is the cover of his second book. meda Ryan and Brian Murphy should have been interviewed by all means but so should Hart. Anyone who seriously wants to know what happened in ireland in the 1916-23 period should read ALL the work published on it.
I agree, people reading about that period in Cotk should examine all sources. But they should be careful when dealing with secondary sources such as Harts 3 (dont forget his Collins bio) Cork books. His statistics on RIC/Tan/Auxie casualties can only have been picked from thin air. In particular his figures for British casualties at Crossbarry are laughable. If the British only lost 3 men at Crossbarry then why did over 1,000 RIC/Tan/Auxie & soldiers retreat in disorder?
We still have to find out whether Hart used an Ouija Board or a Seance to make contact with the Kilmichael Volunteers and scouts he interviewed.
When Hart was writing his Collins Bio he failed to consult the Collins / Kiernan correspondence which is held in Cork Public Museum.
I could go on but I hope that I have made my point.
I agree. Hart is a unique historian. Not only does he write about the dead, he's able to interview them as well. So when you're trying to fit a complex issue into 45 minutes of television, it's best to ignore the other experts in the field and go for the man with the ouija board. Below is a link to oral history interview techniques. In fairness to Peter Hart, nowhere does it explicitly say that the interviewee has to be alive when the interviewer asks the questions.
Is this Thomas Hales in the photo the same Tom Hales who ''boasted of organising the killing of Michael Collins'' at Beal na Blath? and is therefore the brother of Sean Hales who was assassinated as a pro treatyite in Dublin in 1923?
ALL Hollywood style entertainment films are just that.....works of entertainment.
Not accurate scholarly historical works.
I remember the Irish national anthem being sung in The Wind That Shakes The Barley.
It was Amhán Na bhFiann (a Soldier's Song.)
Trouble is that song only became the National Anthem in 1926.
Peader Kearney only wrote it around 1907 or thereabouts.
The de-facto Irish National Anthem during the Black-n-Tan War was "God Save Ireland".
(A much nicer song in my humble opinion.)
"Saving Private Ryan" never pretended to be a scholarly work of history either.
Like a host of other "War Films".
They are just movies.
Comparing the Brits torture of the Irish to Abu Gharib is just factually wrong. The U.S. didn't pull fingernails or use hammers. Now, if you want to talk about what the Iraqis did to each other during Saddam's reign, that is another story.
The US had many black prisons.
The real nasty stuff they couldn't possibly do in their media show prisons (guantanamo / abu ghraib), they did regularly in these black prisons.
Often the victims didn't live to tell the tale. It is thought many inmates were "disappeared" when these black prisons were publicised
The US really aren't the "nice guys" shills like yourself would have us believe.