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Sheep in wolves' clothing: Nazi boneheads come a cropper in Dublin.

category dublin | worker & community struggles and protests | news report author Sunday June 04, 2006 17:54author by Charlie Donnelly - Anti Fascist Actionauthor email afa at ireland dot comauthor address PO Box 3355 Dublin 7. Report this post to the editors

Anti Fascist Action and members of Anarchist Youth routed a planned meeting of Nazi bonehead gang, the Celtic Wolves in Dublin city centre yesterday. What was planned as the first meeting in Dublin this year for these sad tossers ended in utter humiliation as anti-fascists first evicted them from their meeting point in a city centre pub and then proceeded to beat them up and down O'Connell Street.

Acting on intelligence, Anti Fascist Action and Anarchist Youth rumbled a "national meeting" of the Celtic Wolves in a Dublin city centre pub yesterday. Four boneheads were confronted in a city centre pub and after a brief but frank discussion, the boneheads acted on the anti-fascists advice to abandon their meeting and leave the pub. But not before the fascists, far from being hostile witnesses, readily divulged their personal details to their interrogators while trying desperately to maintain control of their bodily functions, it seemed! For this, AFA would like to thank them for helping us with our enquiries.

Emerging from the pub, the fash were provided with an escort to O'Connell St. AFA is aware that following the 'Love Ulster' fiasco especially, the mean streets of Dublin can sometimes be less than accommodating to the national socialist element in the North who supported that particlar outing. So we were a little concerned at how four boneheads openly sporting Nazi t-shirts and badges might be received. The bones seemed not to appreciate our concern and on reaching what they presumed to be the 'comfort zone' of a packed O'Connell St felt confident enough to shout something about "red scum" before high-tailing it towards the Liffey.

Enticed by the prospect of further political debate, anti-fascists followed. Disaster was then heaped upon disaster for these specimens of the master race as they were repeatedly battered as they attempted to evade further attention. The final ignimony came when two of them, having abandoned their comrades to their fate, jumped into a taxi and to a hoped-for speedy exit from the fray.

Unfortunately for them,not quickly enough. Stuck in traffic and with the windows rolled down, the bones suffered a barrage of blows from anti-fascists. Sometimes they just make it too easy.
On a serious note, yesterday's meeting had been in the planning stages for quite some time. Posters to the internet bulletin board, Name of site removed by indymedia editor in line with our "no platform" policy, have been angling to spend some "quality time" in public together as a chance to get out from behind their computers. They recently achieved this with some degree of success with a booze-up in Cork but only because of the presence of overseas visitors. Yesterday's events wil no doubt represent a serious setback to future attempts at organising. Albeit that one of yesterday's number was dealt with by AFA on a previous occasion out at UCD, we are cnfident that it will be a long time before these clowns recover enough to gather "forces" from across the country in Dublin anytime soon.

As mentioned, these idiots were more than helpful in providing information about themselves, but if anybody has further information on them (photos to follow). AFA would like to hear about it. If any of the 'victims' of yesterday's meeting should be reading this, the Lost and Found section at AFA would like to point out that certain items of property can be reclaimed through the usual channels. This does not include your dignity, obviously. Maybe we could meet up for a drink and you might get to actually finish your pints on this occasion.

Celtic Wolves- bottlejobs to a man. Complete losers.

NO QUARTER.

afa@ireland.com

Related Link: http://www.geocities.com/irishafa/
author by Jerry Corneliuspublication date Sun Jun 04, 2006 18:44Report this post to the editors

The only traits of the Master Race they seemed possess was the ability to run quickly. It was a Master Race alright! We could have done with Jesse Owens.

author by antifa - Anti Fascist Actionpublication date Sun Jun 04, 2006 22:05Report this post to the editors

Some photos of boneheads in Dublin on Saturday.
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Related Link: http://www.geocities.com/irishafa
author by Rick o'Shea - Limerick AFApublication date Sun Jun 04, 2006 22:10Report this post to the editors

LImerick AFA wish to congratulaate our comrades on these actions. The photos and info provided will be "processed" very soon and our "shaking friend" will be spoked to. Cheers.

author by Earth Citizen - Nunpublication date Sun Jun 04, 2006 22:19Report this post to the editors

To edit that one at the end (which you published on the uk indymedia site) http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/06/342017.html
since it was a bit big (but great quality). I have made it into three pictures and edited out the face of a passerby.
Enjoy.

Celticwolf1
Celticwolf1

Celticwolves2and3
Celticwolves2and3

Celticwolf4
Celticwolf4

author by The National Enquirerpublication date Sun Jun 04, 2006 22:33Report this post to the editors

Do not publish the actual photos of these scumbags getting battered for obvious reasons! We can use these pictures on a different forum. Bye the way, Its hard to type this mail as my hands are still sore from bonehead bashing. Well done everybody.

author by Anti-war activistpublication date Mon Jun 05, 2006 02:10Report this post to the editors

Great stuff! Keep the bastards on the run.

These chickenshits were nowhere to be seen when the siege of St Patrick's cathedral was ongoing recently. Instead, some other sad-ass racists stood around encouraging a bunch of kids who they then hid behind. The so-called 'hardcore' neo-nazi types never showed their faces, and now we can see why. Fascist anoraks who like to fantasise about the Third Reich (RIP), but who haven't the bottle to stand their ground!

Well done AFA and Anarchist Youth. Heart-warming stuff.

author by anonymous - left organisationpublication date Mon Jun 05, 2006 13:17Report this post to the editors

What evidence have you got that these a Fascists? What links have they with any organisation? Do they have a leaflet or paper? they weren't at the Cathedral during the hunger strike. The basis for an Irish National Party (neo fascist) is fertile now but I dont see any evidence to actual organisation. Celtic Wolves sound a bit ominous more like a CD for a band than an organisation.

author by Fintan Lanepublication date Mon Jun 05, 2006 13:29Report this post to the editors

Racism, whether in explicit or covert forms, is a feature of 'Celtic Tiger' Ireland. Quite rightly, many of those who have not done well over the past few years will seek to place the blame somewhere. The left is clear that inequality and exploitation are features of free market economics, and it is the political establishment and globalised capitalism that are to blame. Tricky argument at times because it's not a 'simple' answer and it takes a bit of discussion to counter misinformation. Those on the right will inevitably attempt to deflect people's attention elsewhere, and sometimes this involves encouraging people to attack others who they have much in common with. We saw some of this outside St Patrick's Cathedral recently.

The handful of Irish-based neo-Nazis applauded the racism that hecklers expressed outside St Patrick's because they clearly saw it as the emergence of a pool in which they could swim. They were wrong about that, for various reasons, but it's wonderful to see the wind so quickly and so tangibly taken from their sails. Well done AFA and Anarchist Youth.

No Pasaran.

author by anonpublication date Mon Jun 05, 2006 13:31Report this post to the editors

The Celtic Wolves are a small neo-nazi organisation set up a few years ago. They post mostly on American neo-nazi sites with 'Irish' pages. They are a real group even if they're tiny and a bunch of cowards. The are NOT a band. Wake up and smell the coffee, my friends.

author by Cork Redskinpublication date Mon Jun 05, 2006 13:51Report this post to the editors

Great work guys. This pond life must never be taken for granted. Keep em on the run. Very interesting to note how windy they were running off at the mouth like that with their personal details. I'd say this'll raise a few flags for other like-minded scum out there that this lot are not to be trusted and to be avoided like the plague if they can't even keep schtum about stuff like this. Celtic Wolves look more like a spent force now than ever.

author by Bohemian FC punkspublication date Mon Jun 05, 2006 14:38Report this post to the editors

Congrats to all.

Funny how they've all gone very quiet on their beloved internet sites about this!

author by redjadepublication date Mon Jun 05, 2006 14:46Report this post to the editors

well, yes! I was gonna bring that up actually.

certainly they have other means of communication, but the silence is interesting - on a number of different levels.

author by nazi watcherpublication date Mon Jun 05, 2006 15:15Report this post to the editors

Here is a picture of a "get together" that the Celtic Wolves posted on a neo-nazi site on the internet.

Picture of Celtic Wolves
Picture of Celtic Wolves

author by Zeropublication date Mon Jun 05, 2006 16:06Report this post to the editors

What a bunch of anti free speech loony left violent thugs you guys are. You just respond with violence to anyone who disagrees with your warped ideologies. If you idiots were left to run the country we would REALLY be living under a nightmarish fascist regime.

You plonkers are completely out of touch with the rest of Ireland outside your own twisted bubbles.

author by afa punkpublication date Mon Jun 05, 2006 17:04Report this post to the editors

the first picture is of a guy from cork . do you know anything usefull about him? he works as a tattooist.

author by Zero Tolerance to Fascismpublication date Mon Jun 05, 2006 21:03Report this post to the editors

Just because we have the balls to stand up to boneheads and other assorted racists who believe in the use of violence, you call anti-fascist action anti-free speech.

Your post is typically one from the racist right. harping on about free speech, talking for the majority and trying to say that we are out of touch.

Well if you and your volk want to openly come out from behind your computers and march any where in Ireland, please do.

We'll see how out of touch you and your racist allis are with Irish opinion.

Come on Zero and the rest of youse neo-nazi scum come out into the light and face the consequences of freedom of assembly and public scrutiny.

author by Barrypublication date Mon Jun 05, 2006 21:28Report this post to the editors

Zero tolerance for these scumsucking dirtbirds is the only sensible policy . Getting ones retaliation in first stops them getting organised . Should they succeed in organising at all they will merely bring a geat deal of misery to this country . Keeping them on the run and unable to organise without fear is the only way to stop them .

Keep it up .

author by antifapublication date Mon Jun 05, 2006 23:05Report this post to the editors

The guy in the second pictures name is Karl O Brien, he lives near malahide and works in tesco clare hall.

Here's a link to his bebo page -http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=267358721

No Pasaran.

author by Rentonpublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 13:48Report this post to the editors

Not as embarrassing as going around as some neo-Nazi hard man gang and getting the shit kicked out of you after divulging a load of personal information and running away! And dont try to use the whole liberal line of "You just try to censor those who don't agree with you". You no more give a shit about rights upholding dignity and respect than that of your glorious predecessors like Musso and the gang in italy. Absolutist wanker.

Congratulations to AFA and AY.

"Cut the roots when the posion ivy is starting to grow!"

author by nerrawpublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 14:20Report this post to the editors

While I won't lose sleep over some racist scum getting the head kicked off them I do find this article a bit childish. I don't see what good will come from beating people up no matter what their views are. Nothing good will come from such violent actions.

When you look at it, both groups want to achieve their goals by violent means.

author by pat cpublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 14:24Report this post to the editors

"When you look at it, both groups want to achieve their goals by violent means."

Eh, no, the Celtic Sheep were whipping up racial hatred, trying to provoke attacks on Jews, Immigrants, Travellers, Gays.

Using violence against the boneheads isnt at all the same thing.

author by nerrawpublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 14:51Report this post to the editors

Re Pat C - I agree with what you say but they are both using violent means to achieve their goals. I also find it very strange that acts of violence are routinely condemned here yet the lads are congratulated.

As I said before, I won't lose any sleep over it

author by LPYpublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 15:25Report this post to the editors

Nerraw: the Left is not made up of pacifists. Some of us believe that nazis need to be faced down on the streets. What AFA done will make it much harder for these scumbags to organise and that can't be seen as anything other than a good thing. Don't mind the way the article is written, we can't all be good writers.

author by Anti Racistpublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 15:29Report this post to the editors

Blocked from viewing the racist's bebo page. Any other way of viewing it or did anyone save the details?

author by LPYpublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 15:30Report this post to the editors

Actually correction on last comment. I think the article is well written, don't want to be slaging the dude off. What I meant to say is that it might not be written in a style you like but that's secondary stuff.

author by antifapublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 18:05Report this post to the editors

All of his pictures from Bebo and all his comments and more or less all of his public (and not so public) movements on the internet have been monitored and archived. He runs the website "ireland awake" which I will not post a link to but I'm sure you can guess at the level of right-wing filth posted there.

Karl O Brien would do well to publicly denounce his links to the white pride movement and settle down for a more quiet life.

author by Anti-racistpublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 18:24Report this post to the editors

It's probably not the most honourable thing to do, but will the photo's be presented to the print media?

author by Karlpublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 19:27Report this post to the editors

All links with 'white pride' movements/orgs, etc have been cut.

I AM OUT. FINISHED. DONE WITH IT.

author by Karlpublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 19:28Report this post to the editors

I do not run the ireland awake site.

author by Fiery Spublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 20:02Report this post to the editors

It was four against how many? I am not a nazi but this just sounds cowardly. If they want to meet up for a few beers then let them. They have the same rights to organise as any anarchist or socialist etc.

author by WTF 2publication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 20:16Report this post to the editors

Whoever takes part in physical violence against those you disagree with politically - deserves a stay in mountjoy.

Another indymedia backfire in my opinion.

author by Syscrusherpublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 20:52Report this post to the editors

Really guys, glorify this thuggery is beyond juvenile. I don't know if your organisation ever had any credibility, but I can't imagine you have any now. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Thugs. Nothing more.

author by WTF8publication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 21:13Report this post to the editors

"Another indymedia backfire in my opinion."

Another refusal to understand the most basic principle of Indymedia - people can post their own stories. AFA and Anarchist Youth posted this one. Criticise them if you like. Indymedia didn't shut down the Celtic Wolves meeting. AFA/AY did.

author by Anarcho - Not in AFA or AYpublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 21:13Report this post to the editors

Errr Anti Fascist Action is a group based around errr Anti Fascist Action. I dont see how an Anti Fascist Action is something that would lose credibility for Anti Fascist Action.

For those who are complaining about the action, are you opposed to using force against fascists? Are you opposed to the 2nd World War? The anti fascists in Spain? The Italian, French, and Spanish resistance? Or are we supposed to wait until fascists are organised and are capable of ceasing control of the state before we oppose them? Should we simply wait until they are highly organised or should we oppose fascists and try and make it as difficult as possible for them to organise now, before they pose a major threat?

author by J. - nonepublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 21:26Report this post to the editors

This is insane,what idiots both sides esp for the use of violence,both sideds should be able to met up and have their meetings in peace and safety.
Using violence means brings down their cause,i would have read indymedia before but after this never again,how insane that it even got put up on a well respected website and this just glorifys violence and stupidity.I thought indymedia where meant to be biased? seems not!!
Violence is great! idiots! I wonder what they want names and addresses of lone wolf members for? what are the chances the lone wolf are doing the same and plan to attack back? great - just what ireland needs another gang war!Pricks both sides,utter pricks....

author by WTF8publication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 21:35Report this post to the editors

"both sides should be able to met up and have their meetings in peace and safety."

When Nazis are allowed to organise in "peace and safety", people with dark skin aren't able to walk the streets in peace and safety. This has been demonstrated again and again and again in many different countries.

"I would have read indymedia before but after this never again"
Again, Indymedia didn't break up the meeting, AFA/AY did

"Pricks both sides,utter pricks...."

Yeah, AFA and AY are known for burning African families out of their homes and beating up gays. Notorious for it so they are...

author by J. - Nonepublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 21:47Report this post to the editors

"When Nazis are allowed to organise in "peace and safety", people with dark skin aren't able to walk the streets in peace and safety. This has been demonstrated again and again and again in many different countries"

there are reasons we have the Gardai and the army ,to protect the people! I know they can at times mess it up but it is their job and they try to do it,the people have chosen them to do that job not reds whites or blues,who made these people the peoples police not the people of this country? not the people,this is just like how the IRA or even those "lone wolfs" act,they act as if they are helping the people or doing some good and the people want them,if the people wanted them they would vote them into power!The people don,t want street battles and more gang violence (maybe i,m wrong! doubt it though!)

From reading the article on indymedia,does it not show their support for the action as the article seems very one sided? it makes out the violent action to be someting good!

what if one of the "lone wolf" members had been killed?
would you celebrate it?

author by Editorpublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 22:46Report this post to the editors

The authors of this piece are (presumably) from AFA.

author by By Any Means Necessarypublication date Tue Jun 06, 2006 23:36Report this post to the editors

Feel this
To all those races, colors, and creeds, every man bleeds
for the countless victims and all their families
of the murdered, tortured and slaved, raped,
robbed and persecuted - Never Again!
To the men, women, and children
Who died and struggled to live, never to be forgotten

[Verse 1:]
Yo my own blood
Dragged through the mud
Perished in my heart still cherished and loved
Stripped of our pride, everything we lived for
Families cried
There’s no where to run to, no where to hide
Tossed to the side
Access denied
6 million died for what?
Yo a man shot dead in his back
Helpless women and children on the constant attack
For no reason
Till the next season
And we still bleeding
Yo it's freezing
And men burn in hell, some for squeezing
No hope for a remedy, nothing to believe
Moving targets who walk with the star in their sleeve
Forever marked wit a number, tattooed to your body
Late night, eyes closed, clutched to my shotty
Having visions, flashes of death camps and prisons no provisions
Deceived by the devils decisions
Forced into a slave
Death before dishonor for those men who were brave
Shot and sent to their grave
Can't awaken, it's too late
Everything's been taken
I'm shaken, family, history, the making

Never again shall we march like sheep to the slaughter
Never again shall we sit and take orders
Stripped of our culture
Robbed of our name (never again)
Raped of our freedom and thrown into the flames (never again)
Forced from our families, taken from our homes
Moved from our God then burned of our bones
Never again, never again
Shall we march like sheep to the slaughter (never again)
Leave our sons and daughters
Stripped of our culture
Robbed of our name (never again)
Raped of our freedom and thrown into the flames (never again)
Forced from our families, taken from our homes
Moved from our God and everything we own
(never again)

Some fled through the rumors of wars
But most left were dead, few escaped to the shores
With just 1 loaf of bread
Banished, hold in for questioning
And vanished
Never to be seen again
I can't express the pain
That was felt on the train
To Auscwitz, tears poured down like rain
Naked face to face
With the master race
Hatred blood of David
My heart belongs to God and stay sacred
Rabbi's and priests
Disabled individuals
The poor, the scholars all labeled common criminals
Mass extermination
Total annihilation
Shipped into the ghetto and prepared for liquidation
Tortured and starved
Innocent experiments
Stripped down and carved up or gassed to death
The last hour, I smelled the flowers
Flashbacks of family then sent to the showers
Powerless undressed
Women with babies clumped tight to their chest
Crying
Who would've guessed dying
Another life lost
Count the cost
Another body gas burned and tossed in the holocaust (never again)

Never again shall we march like sheep to the slaughter
Never again leave our sons and daughter
Stripped of our culture
Robbed of our name (never again)
Raped of our freedom and thrown into the flames (never again)
Forced from our families, taken from our homes(never again)
Moved from own God and everything we owned
Never again, never again
Shall we march like sheep to the slaughter (never again)
Shall we sit and take orders
Stripped of our culture
Robbed of our name (never again)
Raped of our freedom and thrown into the flames (never again)
Forced from our families, taken from our homes (never again)
Moved from our God and burned of our bones
(never again) (never again)

NEVER AGAIN
NEVER AGAIN

author by Fiery Spublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 00:26Report this post to the editors

"Yeah, AFA and AY are known for burning African families out of their homes and beating up gays. Notorious for it so they are..."

Who did the Celtic Wolves ever beat up or burn out? Have they ever been convicted of such acts?

author by Golgomititschpublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 00:42Report this post to the editors

Racism and neo-nazism are not opinions, they are political perversions. It is not a human right to discriminate and terrorise people because of their ethnicity, sex, religion etc. Nazis don't deserve civil liberties. I thought that was the common pledge of mankind after 1945. Be it in Berlin, Ausschwitz or Dublin city centre. Hunt down the brown pest where it raises its ugly head. Well done!!!

author by Golgomititschpublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 01:04Report this post to the editors

Does anyone know this guy?

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author by Jesuspublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 01:56Report this post to the editors

Leaving aside the irony of behaving like a textbook fascist to defeat fascism, can you see that this type of action is always counter-productive? You cannot force people around to your point of view by beating them, it only inspires greater hatred and greater fervour.

Did the jews roll over? Did the republicans roll over? Is it working in Iraq? There is no violent route to eradicating an idea short of genocide. At that point you really would be a fascist and you'd have to eradicate yourselves.

I have no doubt that this action will be followed by reprisals. I'm sure they were dying for an excuse.

author by Barrypublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 02:04Report this post to the editors

One of them has come on here and promised never to have anything to do with thei nazi dirt ever again . A result by the looks of it .

nice one !

author by Golgomititschpublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 08:33Report this post to the editors

Someone (author jesus) really believes that being nice to nazis is the way forward. Well, we have seen what happenend in 1939 by appeasing Hitler. Why don't you go to east-germany and try talking to some neo-nazi boneheads, that its wrong to burn asylum seekers and smash the skulls of black people. I give you 500 euros if you convince one of them, because its a suicide mission. Most of east-germany is controlled by neo-nazi groups and they have created so called foreigner free zones. That is what happens if you allow this brown pest to breed. No space and comfort for racists!!!

author by kevin - 1 of Indymedia Ireland Editorial Group - personal capacitypublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 09:28Report this post to the editors

"Indymedia" didnt write this article, it was self-published by AFA/AY here. It has not been in breach of any of the editorial guidelines, so it has remained on the newswire. If any of the commenters who have expressed complaints about impartiality wish to redress any percieved imbalance in the coverage or on the issue, then they are perfectly entitled to write an article to the newswire by clicking on the 'publish' link. As long as it stays within the editorial guidelines, it will remain on the newswire.

The content of indymedia is driven by its contributors. If original right-wing or centrist articles started appearing heavily on the newswire tomorrow, as long as they did not breach the editorial guidelines, the flavour of the site would change instantly. I personally would like to see a cohesive and detailed argument by someone about why they feel physical confrontation against fascists is a bad thing - rather than just a two line comment about "you're ALL a pack of thugs" etc etc. Anyone going to step up the suggestion, or is it just easier to post simplistic comments?

author by Fintan Lanepublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:33Report this post to the editors

I don't like responding to anonymous posters, but here goes...

I reckon the anti-AFA comments posted here are by right-wing trolls. However, if they are by 'pacifist' or 'moderate' lefties, then you should be ashamed of yourselves. Tut tutting AFA's efforts to break up a nazi gang is no more than a recipe for facilitating the growth of open nazi organisations in this country. Do you think we need nazi skinhead gangs attacking immigrants and gays in order to demonstrate Ireland's 'liberal' credentials? And how far should these nazis be allowed to go? Perhaps, we should allow them to hold Nuremburg-style rallies where they can denounce Jews, gays and immigrants? Perhaps a Kristallnacht should be facilitated because, after all, they have the right to 'free expression'? When will we stand up to them exactly? Perhaps when they've seized power and are shoving people into gas chambers? Would that be the appropriate time?

It is important that these nazis are stopped before they have a chance to get really organised. AFA and Anarchist Youth should be applauded for their actions. Equating their actions and the actions of nazi bigots is disgraceful. AFA acted to defend immigrants, gays and others; the nazis, if they had their way, would be physically attacking newcomers to this country.

(If my remarks appear intemperate, it is because I believe these anonymous swipes to be incredibly wrongheaded and politically dangerous. There is a fundamental difference between racists whose views can be countered in open debate and neo-nazis who think Hitler and his ilk had the right idea.)

No pasaran.

author by immortal terrierpublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:50Report this post to the editors

Did you choose to give the police power over you? Really? I must have been in the bath when they came around to ask whether I wanted power in the hands of a bunch of schoolyard bullies. "who made these people the peoples police not the people of this country?" Eh, yea, exactly... NOT the people of this country. "there are reasons we have the Gardai and the army ,to protect the people!" Like the Wheelock family?

It's interesting how you keep using the term "lone wolf". The group who were attacked call themselves the Celtic Wolves, and I don't see any mention of Lone Wolves anywhere else on this thread. However, browsing an Irish Nazi forum today, I notice a thread on the topic of "lone wolves", a term they use to describe fash who aren't members of organisations and don't make their politics public, the idea being that they can infiltrate "the system" then, or some such rubbish. But if they're all as stupid and illiterate as you I really don't see how that'll work...

author by immortal terrierpublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:35Report this post to the editors

"Leaving aside the irony of behaving like a textbook fascist to defeat fascism, can you see that this type of action is always counter-productive? You cannot force people around to your point of view by beating them, it only inspires greater hatred and greater fervour."

First of all, maybe you should look up Fascism. And with regards to the counter-productive nature of antifa, where is your evidence? Is it Britain where AFA beat the nazis off the streets? All around mainland Europe where Nazi demostrations are continuously outnumbered by AFA counter-demos? Is it Karl's apparent denouncement of his activity?

You liberals are fucking pathetic, and your arguments are laughable.

Well done AFA.

author by nerrawpublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:40Report this post to the editors

First of all I'm not a right wing troll as one poster suggested that anyone opposed to this action are.

In reply to Indymedia's editorlial guidelines, I find it astonishing that this article didn't breach any. If it was a first hand account of a racist attack I'm sure indymedia would be quick to remove it.

Anyway, idiots fighting idiots, neither can make their point in an eloquent manner. Makes a mockery of all the anti-war articles published to date, all of whom are committed to peaceful means

author by anonpublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:51Report this post to the editors

As somebody above has already said to you 'nerraw': the Left is not necessarily pacifist. Now add to that: anti-war activists are not necessarily pacifists. I don't know what it is that makes you think this to be the case. Any apparent contradiction is based on your own misunderstandings.

author by pat cpublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:52Report this post to the editors

"First of all I'm not a right wing troll as one poster suggested that anyone opposed to this action are. "

I acceot that you are not necessarily a RW troll.

"In reply to Indymedia's editorlial guidelines, I find it astonishing that this article didn't breach any. If it was a first hand account of a racist attack I'm sure indymedia would be quick to remove it. "

This is a factual account of an action taken against fascists. If an article was published that glorified an attack on gays, immigrants, jews, then yes it would be deleted. Two different circumatances.

"Anyway, idiots fighting idiots, neither can make their point in an eloquent manner."

What do you base this on? Which AFA articles leaflets do think lack elequence? Do you really see no difference between those who fight racists and those who attack immigrants, travellers and gays?

" Makes a mockery of all the anti-war articles published to date, all of whom are committed to peaceful means"

How does it make a mockery of them? This is not about the anti war movement. Also not everyone in the anti wat movement are pacifists.

author by Neilpublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 13:23Report this post to the editors

You know, in only half of this I see a decent response by the AFA - they showed up at the meeting, broke it up, made it nervous. At this point, they'd done a fair bit of damage, and i'd say that worked.

Now here is where it descends into schoolboy antics -

They did not make a glorious stand against the neo nazi oppressers.
They did not save innocent bystanders.

in fact, what happened here, from that article, is a big group of guys beat up a smaller group of guys. Then posted an article laughing about how good it was.

Justify that one to me.

author by Mr. T.publication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 13:32Report this post to the editors

I certainly have no problem with beating the crap out of Neo Nazis. But I also feel the same way about beating the crap out of Stalinists, Islamofascists, Spartacists or Trotskyites or anyone else promoting totalitarianism.

Nothing like a good blanket party to teach vermin to stay under their rocks and keep their mouths shut.

author by Redpublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 13:35Report this post to the editors

Why should anybody justify anything to you? Why don't you organise the next raid on a neo-fascist meeting? Then maybe you can ensure that it all happens very politely.

Neil, do you think this is some sort of parlour game? I find it weird in the extreme that all you can focus on is what you see as the negative aspects of the AFA action. First off, congratuate them for what they did, then offer constructive criticism of aspects of the action (if you feel strongly about it).

Those who think fascists will bend before polite words and good manners should think again.

author by pat cpublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 13:53Report this post to the editors

Stalinists, Sparts, Trots are not organising or advocating attacks on minorities. If the SWP were to ever achieve state power then I'm sure a lot of us would be put up against a wall and shot. Just like in the good old days in the USSR. But I dont stay awake at night worrying about RBB getting into power, he couldn't even get himself elected to a County Council.

As for Islamofascists, I haven't seen them actively at work here. If such a group did spring up and encourage attacks on Jews, Gays then it would get appropriate attention. There is some Islamist nutter in UCC who is a homophobe, he posted stuff here. But hes a buffoon, threatening people with violence in one comment and warning that he will report us to the Guards in the next.

author by Mr. T.publication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 16:56Report this post to the editors

You're right - if they're not actively threatening violence, then I'm with you on this point...

author by pfftpublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 17:39Report this post to the editors

what a crock of shit tbh..as a result of your stupid actions some poor guy is probably getting the fuck kicked out of him right now in retaliation ..nice one

author by anti-nazipublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 17:53Report this post to the editors

I hear they took out a dozen of the villagers last night and shot them.

Get a grip.

Good one AFA! Keep it up.

author by Whypublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 18:29Report this post to the editors

I think you guys should be commended for confronting these people. Taking photos and publishing them also seems like a great way to shame them. I do think however that you have let yourselves and your movement down by engaging in physical violence and to an extent glorifying it.

I can't help the feeling that as a result these guys are going to take there frustration out on someone else.

author by Neilpublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 18:32Report this post to the editors

to poster Why: I don't think the degredation of what was til then decent work, as we see it worries the AFA at all - they were originally set up with the ideals of "physically opposing neo-fascism" and things like that, from what I can see.

author by Winnetoupublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 18:57Report this post to the editors

I can't believe people in this forum feel sympathy with people, who deny others even their right to exist. Hitler was democratically elected and he to started off in the beer cellars. Like our "friends" the celtic wolfes, just having a peaceful drink. Thanks to liberals this scurge always gets a new chance to proliferate themselves and their sick ideas.

author by Auntie AFApublication date Wed Jun 07, 2006 22:28Report this post to the editors

Reading between the lines, it sounds more like a bunch of drunks started a brawl in a city centre pub, as a result of which everyone got thrown out. The rest is just spin, fabricated by the inebriated, to justify what happened, after the fact. It's part of the fascist fixation some people have on this site. It allows some people to masturbate furiously while repeating to themselves over and over again, I DID A NAZI, I DID A NAZI :-D

author by cynicpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 00:35Report this post to the editors

If you look at (Name of nazi site removed by editor in line with our 'No Platform' policy) you'll notice that the Celtic wolves have admitted to losing TWO members as a result of this incident.
They are also making idle threats against anarchist youth (attacking kids? pathetic!) but they forget the left is built on solidarity and if they attack one group we will all respond and we have a lot more information on these boneheads than they realise.

author by bemusedpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 09:34Report this post to the editors

The AFA is advocating violence against others. They are doing themselves no credit. If this escalates you ll get people being attached for reasons of mistaken identity. Don't think the cops would be impressed at this.

author by Even more bemusedpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:42Report this post to the editors

God save us if some of the 'leftist' contributors on this thread are all that stand between us and fascist thugs. 'OMG, they might retaliate! Oh, oh, oh, look he's got a skinhead!'

For God's sake, these skinhead fascists WILL attack the left (including the frightened sheep in our ranks. Yes, you!) if they get organised and build up a large group. The best way of avoiding this is to stop them from organising in the first place. We vastly outnumber these idiots and consequently are in a position to stamp out these fascist groups before they get on their feet. Unfortunately the 'Let's be polite' and 'Let's rely on the gardai' brigade are capable of weakening the resolve of the left. They won't weaken my resolve or that of most dedicated anti-fascist, but their moaning causes confusion and a lot of negative sniping.

Grow up you lot.

Leftism stands for more than reading Marx or Proudhon in the safety of your bedroom. There is a real world out there with real fascist who, if they get organised, WILL be attacking asylum seekers, socialists, homosexuals, Jews, Muslims, and a rake of other people their little minds can't quite comprehend. They can be stopped but action has to be taken at the earliest stages. It is been taken and will continue to be taken, so get with the programme and stop undermining your own side.

author by bemusedpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:57Report this post to the editors

Don't think a lot of people will be on the same "side" as what "even more bemused" is advocating. The world must be very "black and white" "us and them" in your mind. Do you think the Spainsh Civil war is still on ? The more extreme a reaction against somehting the more popular it will become.

author by Nazi-watchpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:57Report this post to the editors

Here's the nazi view of the event from their favourite website:

"cw run in with reds
------------------------------------------------------------------------
A few things need to be cleared up about last saturdays incident.

Firstly the young chap in the photos with the head tattoo is not a member of the cw and never has been, i have never met him, only e-mailed him.
This was the first meeting that he attended, he is not a nazi, he is a nationalist , from here on he wants nothing to do with the cw and we dont want him either.

As for karl, he has made it perfectly clear that he wants nothing more to do with the cw or any white pride groups, he is also a nationalist not a nazi and has only attended 2 small meetings, at least we know now that they are not cw material, so good luck to them.

As everyone knows 12 reds showed up with their cameras when only 4 nationalists had arrived at the meeting, i along with 4 other's arrived at the pub about twenty minutes after the lads and the reds left the pub.

According to the reds the lads gave out personal details about themselves, this is complete bull****!

They also claimed to have ripped a celtic cross off the shirt of one of the lads, also bull****, in fact the red asked for the badge and the chap refused to give it to him.

As for giving the lads a good kicking, also bull****, they got about two thumps at the lads after one of the nationalists buried his boot into one of the reds stomach."

Two down, about...ummm...four or five to go I'd say. Most of these fools are cyberactivists and little else.

author by Nazi-watchpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:01Report this post to the editors

And just to remind the 'polite' left of what we're dealing with, here's a comment under the above report from a Limerick-based fascist:

"These reds are both delusional and pure evil. If they are allowed to win then Ireland will turn into a total cesspit of multiculturalism, homosexuality, abortion and ultimately, the destruction of the Irish people."

Delightful people.

author by Jerry Corneliuspublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:08Report this post to the editors

"As everyone knows 12 reds showed up with their cameras when only 4 nationalists had arrived at the meeting, i along with 4 other's arrived at the pub about twenty minutes after the lads and the reds left the pub."

Yeah right! How come they arrived 80 minutes after the advertised starting time of the meeting?

"According to the reds the lads gave out personal details about themselves, this is complete bull****!"

No its not. They sang like canaries. Detailing where they came from. The Limerick guy with an English accent was crapping himself.

"They also claimed to have ripped a celtic cross off the shirt of one of the lads, also bull****, in fact the red asked for the badge and the chap refused to give it to him."

They were hardly in a position to refuse anything.

"As for giving the lads a good kicking, also bull****, they got about two thumps at the lads after one of the nationalists buried his boot into one of the reds stomach."

Ho! Ho! Karl who is no longer in the CW got one blow in & he got it back with interest. The CW member from Athy got a good kick up the arse from me on the run & didnt respond. They ran like jackals.

author by IRSP memberpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:37Report this post to the editors

The left needs to be serious in dealing with nazi scum. They should not be allowed to organise. Remember that these people are generally supportive of loyalism in the six counties. They are the enemy within and should be seen as such.

author by migukpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 14:25Report this post to the editors

Violence cannot work against the CW or any other racist/nationalist groups, it will only lead to an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. That can only result in many eyeless and toothless people on both sides! I believe publically posting their personal details and pictures is irresponsible and practically advertising violenece towards individuals who at the end of the day have beliefs that the AFA and AY disagree with. Don't get me wrong, I am not in any way saying that I support any right-wing beliefs, I'm not even going to suggest I am on the left either. I suppose that makes me a facist troll then!
If the views of the CW are so evil and ridiculous well then they will go nowhere, they will be their own downfall. I am not that aware of CW activities, obviously some here are. What exactly have they done yet towards their cause? I read about a camp out they had last year in Dublin mountains, so what, let them have their little camp out, I don't think that can harm anyone. I also read here about stickering they did, still not enough to advocate violence towards them.
To the Anarchist Youth here, honestly, how would you like your personal details and pictures ebing posted on Name of nazi site removed by editor in line with our 'No Platform' policy or any other Nazi/racist website? I think it's an awful thing for something to happen to someone young as some just don't know what they are getting into, on either side.
What I oppose if hypocrisy. If there is to be free speech well then let all have it. We live in a democracy and the people should decide for themselves what's right and wrong. We don't live in 1920s/30s Germany where the reds and stormtroopers fought on the streets. We live in a peacful democratic state which our forefathers shed blood for and I don't want to see any group make a mockery of our freedom. Let the Nazis have their say, let the people respond! Only when they are defeated by the people are they truely defeated, all your're doing is driving them further underground.
I have a feeling that I am to expect much critisim over this post.

author by young anarchistpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 14:41Report this post to the editors

The celtic wolves are not a parliamentary group they aren't looking for the support of the irish people and they don't need it to carry out random attacks on jews, muslims, "reds" and anyone else they consider inferior. They have already been targetting anarchist youth on their website for a long time (posting details of our events and phone numbers etc.) when threatened in this way by a small group of fascists you'd have to be a fucking idiot not to respond and ensure the safety of your group.

No platform for fascists, fuck the liberals who forget history so readily. Violence exists, we did not create it.

author by Caobhinpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 14:45Report this post to the editors

You may have the naive attitude "let them play in the mountains if they want" but all their activities are only geared to one end. The only way to stop them is to smash them at source. Or do you want the race attacks to start before action is taken against fascists?

Funny though, when photos of fighting comrades from Dublin on Feb 25th were plastered all over the media and used to urge grasses to shop them I don't recall any "centrists" like yourself getting too bothered.

author by migukpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 15:05Report this post to the editors

"The celtic wolves are not a parliamentary group they aren't looking for the support of the irish people and they don't need it to carry out random attacks on jews, muslims, "reds" and anyone else they consider inferior. They have already been targetting anarchist youth on their website for a long time (posting details of our events and phone numbers etc.) when threatened in this way by a small group of fascists you'd have to be a fucking idiot not to respond and ensure the safety of your group."
Ok fair enough, these guys aren't going for elections! I reckon that a part of what drives them is the belief that they have the support of many of the silent public. They believe they are fighting for the Irish people but only a minority of the general public are opposing them, but that will always be the way. Many like myself just want to live our lives without conflict or being tied down to politics or violence.
What random attacks do you speak of? This is my point, what have they done? Are they wanted by the Gardai? You refer to their website, the CW site has no content on it only a few pictures and posters. Unless you are refering to (Name of nazi site removed by editor in line with our 'No Platform' policy) or do they have a left/red watch site? Do you not reckon that they will respond and ensure the safety of their group? Counter attacks are generally more severe.

"You may have the naive attitude "let them play in the mountains if they want" but all their activities are only geared to one end. The only way to stop them is to smash them at source. Or do you want the race attacks to start before action is taken against fascists?

Funny though, when photos of fighting comrades from Dublin on Feb 25th were plastered all over the media and used to urge grasses to shop them I don't recall any "centrists" like yourself getting too bothered"

Well let's hope they carry on like they have been without physically attacking other races. However if they were to happen then wouldn't the public be outraged? Would that not contribute to their downfall? I don't reckon they will resort to acts that will disgrace them publicly like acts of random violence, graffitti, etc. Then again, that's just I reckon on what I know of them.
The pictures were one thing but posting the personal details of Karl O'Brien is another. It's obvious that you's have intelligence on these guys but posting it publicly I have to disagree with.

author by anonpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 15:11Report this post to the editors

I guess that 'mejunk' is dear Karl himself. The reference to no Name of nazi site removed by editor in line with our 'No Platform' policy is interesting as the 'need' for such a website has been repeatedly commented on over at Name of nazi site removed by editor in line with our 'No Platform' policy. I think a lot of these 'let's leave these guys alone' comments are being posted by trolling right-wingers as a way of getting the heat off them.

It WON'T work.

author by migukpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 15:30Report this post to the editors

"I guess that 'mejunk' is dear Karl himself. The reference to no Name of nazi site removed by editor in line with our 'No Platform' policy is interesting as the 'need' for such a website has been repeatedly commented on over at Name of nazi site removed by editor in line with our 'No Platform' policy. I think a lot of these 'let's leave these guys alone' comments are being posted by trolling right-wingers as a way of getting the heat off them.

It WON'T work."

It's miguk, not mejunk. I assure you I am not Karl or any other member of the CW. I mentioned Karl because he appears to be the only one who has had his personal details publicy displayed, which as I said I disagree with. I still don't know where the AFA and AY have had their details posted. Anyway I don't really care, I am just looking for explainations and justifications for this thread. Don't come back with the usual like these guys will be attacking minorities and so on. I would just like to know of what actions they have done so far. If you can answer this with proof then my opinions on these guys and yourselves may change. Here is something you will not like but at the moment judging my the majority of the posts it seems as if you guys are in the wrong. Without true justification it seems to most that on Saturday 12 AFA and AY basically bullied 4 CW who were drinking in a bar. That's put as simply as can be.
I'm not asking anyone to ignore the rise of facists, racists and Nazis in Ireland, oh no. I am speaking out against advocating violence towards any indviduals because of their beliefs. That goes against the CW also. As a few have mentioned already, the AFA and CW are both in same league and irrelvant to Ireland. I would say one is as bad as the other but you guys have proven on Saturday that you are certainly no better.

author by Una Perssonpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 15:36Report this post to the editors

"Without true justification it seems to most that on Saturday 12 AFA and AY basically bullied 4 CW who were drinking in a bar. That's put as simply as can be."

Well only a simple person would put it in that way. They were not merely drinking in a bar, they were discussing the building of their organisation. So that they would be in a better position to carry out attacks on minorities.

You dont sound like a pacifist liberal to me, I reckon you are a fash. Your divisive comments wont work here. Its schoolboy style reasoning to suggest that all violence is the same. Going on that logic then there was no difference between the SS and the Maquis.

author by migukpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 15:49Report this post to the editors

"Well only a simple person would put it in that way. They were not merely drinking in a bar, they were discussing the building of their organisation. So that they would be in a better position to carry out attacks on minorities.

You dont sound like a pacifist liberal to me, I reckon you are a fash. Your divisive comments wont work here. Its schoolboy style reasoning to suggest that all violence is the same. Going on that logic then there was no difference between the SS and the Maquis."

So you were listening to their conversations then Una?

"fash" I am not a fascist at all, you are as ignorant as 'anon'. Violence is a part of war. That is the difference. The SS were an organisation that were apart of an ruling government, the Maquis were resistance fighters defending their people and nation. The Irish rebels of the 1700s were fighting the foreign oppresor, like the Maquis. The difference being that yous seem to fantasing that yous are in some war against the facists. Our county is a peaceful nation and there is no war in the Republic and touch wood may there never be.

author by ALWAYS ANTIFA!publication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 15:59Report this post to the editors

This is a picture of a know member of the celtic wolves up in the wicklow mountains during one of their training camps. Would you like to let him organise a bigger group?

You haven't a fucking clue how much information we have on these guys, we can't share it all obviously.

Celtic wolf know as "White Baron"
Celtic wolf know as "White Baron"

author by whocarespublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 16:01Report this post to the editors

If you don't agree with narrow minded violent thugs your a fascist. Alas its that "simple".

This hunt for fascists is a tad like McCarthy and his "reds under the bed"... the pesky gits are everywhere.

author by anonpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 16:15Report this post to the editors

Over on the nazi website the fascist have crowed about the 'criticism' that the AFA action has received from so-called lefties on indymedia. Now we have repeated anonymous postings (mejunk and whocares) from defenders of these fascists right to organise. No prizes for guessing who's doing the posting. This is their crude (laughably crude) attempt to undermine support for the AFA action.

Not working you fools. Go back to that political sewer Name of nazi site removed by editor in line with our 'No Platform' policy.

As for the polite well-mannered liberal types - grow up. Radical anti-fascist politics isn't all about reading books and theorising and waiting the gardai to 'protect' immigrants and other minorities.

author by anonpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 16:51Report this post to the editors

Meanwhile the rest of us with get on with actually confronting the neo-nazi menace that is widespread in most parts of Europe.

Anybody who wonders what these fascists do when organised should have a look at Germany where immigrants have been burnt alive following petrol bomb attacks on hostels. It seems some people won't stir out of their complacency until some immigrants or gays are murdered by our own Irish-based fascists. "Ah, it couldn't happen in Ireland and, shure, if it does the guards can deal with it. Sure, it'll be too late then, but what the hell!"

author by DennisLpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 17:10Report this post to the editors

Breaking up Neo-Nazi gangs is a noble idea, but in this case the idea has been poisoned by thinking that violence is the only way.

AFA and "Anarchist Youth" (what a ridiculous name BTW! How many "Youths" actually know the principles of Anarchism beyond the cool "A" symbol?) have pretty much shown that they are little better than their rival idiots. Let's look at the how the situation described in the article panned out:

1) Fascists meet to discuss fascist ideals, like shaved heads and leather boots, in a pub.

2) Anarchists, taking a break from their daily back patting regimes, and discussions about Billy Godwin, decide that they will stop said fascists from doing harm (GO TEAM!)

3) Fascists are fairly impressed by the Anarchists and say that they will cease, desist and leave the premises.

4) Anarchists follow, not believing the Fascists

5) Fascists call the Anarchists names

6) Anarchists beat up Fascists

Personally I would hate to belong to an anarchical society based on those principles.

We have Gardai in this country to enfore non-violence. We also in this country have a right to freedom of speech, and while I abhor ideals of racialistic nationalism, I will defend the right of people to believe what they want, and discuss what they want til the day I die. People like AFA and AY are as culpible in repression as people like Celtic Wolves (another ridiculous name, given that the wolf is extinct in Ireland). Stalin was a man who stood against Fascism using violence, and he was a f*cking madman.

If the Fascists had attempted to use violence first, or against a "civilian" then I would applaud your defense, but this is not defense. There is nothing noble in beating up 4 men.

author by youthpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 17:24Report this post to the editors

...political persuasions have the audacity to get organised. Except for Socialist Youth. And Labour Youth. Oh, and Ogra Sinn Fein. Wait, there's also Young Fine Gael. Oh yea and Ogra Fianna Fail. Oh but what about.... and so on and so forth

author by anonpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 17:40Report this post to the editors

He spoke about Blair's anti-terror laws which have divided communities and added that he saw a parallel with the time he was growing up in the 1970s and 1980s. "We fought back against skinheads, and I noticed that many of those who fought alongside us were Irish." He added that there was a parallel between the attacks on Irish people at a time when they were demonised as terrorists and the attacks on Muslims today.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/06/342191.html?c=on...ments

author by young anarchistpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 18:06Report this post to the editors

"How many "Youths" actually know the principles of Anarchism beyond the cool "A" symbol?"

Why don't you have a look at the level of discussion on our forum - http://www.anarchistyouth.org/forum and cop the fuck on. We're not playing games, we read theory and we'll kick your ass - a potent combination.

author by Barry - 32csmpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 18:56Report this post to the editors

We in Ireland cant afford to be complacent about the growth of the neo-facists in southern Ireland as throughout Europe this phenomenon is a major menace . If left unchecked in the current climate where racist attitudes and attacks are on the increase it will grow in this country from the small seemingly insignificant groups which currently exist south of the border . I have no doubt about that at all .They should not be given the opportunity or room for growth for one second . From this board we have evidence that what little of it there is has just got smaller since saturdays confrontation , which is a success for those who confronted them . And a success that will have to and no doubt will be followed up on by more intelligence and more vigilance and a readiness to get wired into them again the next time they emerge .
If people do as some elements are suggesting , let them meet and organise they will get bigger , no doubt about that . The next step after that will be organised attacks on the weakest in our society - no doubt about that either - thats what boneheads do the second they get remotely organised - that is their open agenda , hatred and violence against those least able to defend themselves , for starters anyway.

A number of friends of mine are active in confronting facists in their native Germany along similar lines . Germany is cursed with the scourge of far right gangs , like most other countries in Europe . Recently a number of 32csm activists attended a conference in support of death fasting Turkish leftists (DHKP) which ended with a fairly major confrontation with facist scum on the streets of Berlin . This recent report from the Sovereign Nation gives one a clear idea how Irish politics and our experience on our own streets could drastically change if the far right are given a breathing space and permitted to meet and organise .

from the SN

"" the weekend however was not confined to the conference rooms as Friday evening saw a march against facism and over 1000 people took to the streets to confront the ongoing threat . People going to and from the march were stopped by police and their identities noted . The march was also surrounded by German police in full riot gear . Although in the beginning the police managed to stay calm they were heavily active in filming protestors and attempting to identify them .
The march went past numerous facist bars and shops which were cordoned off and protected by the same armed riot police , although a few stones and smoke bombs manged to get through nontheless . The facists hid themselves in the packed bars and were taunted with anti-facist slogans from the 1000 anti-facists outside who challenged them to come out if they dared (which they did not). Soon afterwards facists attempted to photograph demontrators but they were speedily confronted and chased off and once again had to seek protection from the police .
At one point in the march the police refused to let the anti-facist demonstraiton continue and small skirmishes between police and demonstraors occured , which saw a few arrests and a 32csm member thrown to the ground by riot police who then proceeded to use their batons .
The German police then declared that any banners larger than 1.5 metres were illegal and tried to seize some being held by the protestors . About 20 anti-facist were arrested and a number injured in the ensuing fights . Bottles and stones were hurled at police as most of the marchers slowly dispersed , although fighting coninued between police and demonstrators . Further skirmishes carried on throughout the evvening on the streets of Berlin as anti-facists and gangs of neo-nazis continued to clash""

While the small number of boneheads confronted in Dublin were in a bar if allowed to organise it will not be long before people like this have their own bars were they can congregate and from which they can organise and launch attacks on people . Thats how they begin to dominate areas and exprience a sense of power . Keeping them on the move and looking over their shoulder stops them from settling and putting down roots anywhere . All methods are justified in preventing the facist menace getting a foothold in this country like they have managed to do everywhere else .

author by Barrypublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 20:23Report this post to the editors

Only this weekend we had an horrific attack on a man of African origin on the border who had his face slashed by a gang of hoods from Dundalk who attacked his home were he lived alone. Local youths and farm labourers who work with him went to the mans aid and were confronted by this drugged up gang of scum with knives out looking for victims in the rural backroads , about 6 carloads of them. Thay attacked cars , homes and property and even set a barn alight . Friends of mine who shielded the man and got him to safety had theur car badly damged by animals who tried to swarm into it .Thats our homegrown dirtbags wholl have to be confronted head on and even more violently than the boneheads in Dublin if the far right take a foothold .
My neighbours are polish , the girls who work in our local shop and pub are polish and Latvian . In our small village alone we have numerous Chinese , Polish , Latvian and Lithuanians all working hard to earn a few bob . Our area has changed but we dont crack up and despair , in the main we get on fine and socialise and work together in the fields , factories and hospitals and in the pub of a weekend . Dubluiners werent forced out of their homes by these people and nobodys trying to force us out of ours . The only people attacking our homes are racist Irish criminals , exactly the type of people the far right are out to recruit and use as their muscle .
If the right even look like getting a foothold round this area you can be sure theyll regret even attempting it .

author by Golgomititschpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 22:04Report this post to the editors

One thing we learned in Germany is, that it is impossible to convince a Neo-Nazi that he is wrong. Their level of intelligence is so low that any decent argument falls on deaf ears. Basically, physical impact is required to get your message across. I would not sleep, worrying about some racist white trash receiving their own medicine.

author by common sensepublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 22:24Report this post to the editors

Jaysus I had no idea that South Armagh had gone all multi-culti overnight ...

author by Not impressedpublication date Thu Jun 08, 2006 23:30Report this post to the editors

" Basically, physical impact is required to get your message across."

That is the most fascistic comment I have come across on the internet in at least a year. Any body who believes and practices that ideology whether far left or far right - should be put in prison. Asap.

Hmmm - wondering if indymedia will scratch this comment ? obviously a right wing troll if I am not on board with the whole thug violence scene - if I am not with you I am against you right ?

author by By Any Means Necessarypublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 00:01Report this post to the editors

Not impressed with this turn the other cheek nonesense which seem to be polluting these threads.

Basically self defense is no offense, in fact its common sense in my book. These racists are responsible for thousands of physical attacks every year, their raison d'etre is physical violence and the coming of a race war.

Not impressed you may think that the physical struggle against racists and the far right is unimpressive and distasteful in your neat and tidy liberal little world...but these people only understand violence....bring them on I say and we will prove to them that the master race theory is a myth.

Everyday is a struggle and we are at war with these racists and white supramacists, together us ants will conquer the elephant.

author by Saintpublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 00:52Report this post to the editors

It is a sorry day for Ireland when politics is sorted on the streets by violance and not by debate. Call you self anti-fascists. You would not know the meaning of the word neither do you understand the word liberal. Disgracefully

author by stevepublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 01:21Report this post to the editors

White trash in itself is a racist term , usually used by middle class people to describe people on council estates, please dont use it.

author by Golgomititschpublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 01:23Report this post to the editors

Hitler started in the beer cellars of Munich and people used to laugh about him and his comical gestures. At that time no one believed he will ever be taken serious. Twenty years later: 50 million death worldwide.

At the moment the irish economy is doing well but this will change eventually. This will be the time for those racist scum to surface and exploit peoples frustrations. All this liberal appeasement non-sense (having discussion with nazis) won't work.

Same with the celtic wolves. You liberals might feel the urge to pity them. But some of the symbols displayed by the CW actually carry a three year prison sentence in Germany. I wonder why?

author by I'm impressedpublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 01:41Report this post to the editors

"Hmmm - wondering if indymedia will scratch this comment ? obviously a right wing troll if I am not on board with the whole thug violence scene - if I am not with you I am against you right ?"

I love how certain people alway make a statement like this at the end of comments in a manner which suggests they have just made a REALLY radical comment (and they don't read indymedia too much as don't follow the "troll" policy pattern).

You comment is pretty run of the mill stuff boss, don't worry, your precise critique has cut to no ones heart I'm sure. I doubt it will be censored.

If you really want to feel like a dangerous solitary voice of reason then you...
Must.
Try.
Harder.

author by I'm impressedpublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 01:47Report this post to the editors

though have to agree the comment you took (out of context?) IS pretty scarey.

er..just though I'd make it clear i was critcising the second half of your sharp critique there boss.
just so you don't get flusterd and maybe call me a thug or something..
i'm not 100% about the physical violence thing either, although I can see certain situations justifying it.

author by CorkManpublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 02:06Report this post to the editors

Firstly I'm not familiar with the CW's. I've a feeling I'll be accused of being judging by some accusations posted above.

What do AFA think of people who want Ireland to remain white? What if these people have foreign friends. What if these people support foreign charities? What if these people were good citizens who never broke the law? What if people like their culture to stay traditional?

Communism is used to make slaves of whole populations by making people forget about their culture, history etc and turning people into robots to serve power hungry masters. I'm suprised people here have these worrying thoughts.

author by Golgomititschpublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 02:09Report this post to the editors

What is wrong with the terminology 'physical impact'? What comes around goes around. Trying to talk to them, makes them feel important and on an equal planefield. That would mean lowering to their level, reaching their limited horizon and staring down the abyss. Exploring those depths no thanks.

author by Ciaranpublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 02:26Report this post to the editors

what ever about the rest, thats for another day, but supporting foreign charities is not a sign that you treating non-Irish people as equal. charity has traditionally been an act of benelovence on the part of the superiour, and has run hand-in-hand with "white mans burden". i'll give you a hand you poor unfortunate but... live beside me...ah now hold your horses there boyo

fuck this good night its too late for all this circular discussion, this threads going no where.

author by Lex Barkerpublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 02:26Report this post to the editors

How stupid? The right to remain white. What is that? You must have nightmares about "evil blacks" trying to peel off your skin colour with raser blades.

author by immortal terrierpublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:29Report this post to the editors

"What do AFA think of people who want Ireland to remain white? What if these people have foreign friends. What if these people support foreign charities? What if these people were good citizens who never broke the law? What if people like their culture to stay traditional?"

Those people are the perfect recruits for Neo-Nazis. Supporting charities and liking "the other" as long as they stay "the other" is in no way incompatible with the Third Position, for example (a strand of Fascism). You are a racist, pure and simple.

And your critique of left-wing politics is marvellous, I must say. It might help if you tried learning something about your subject matter, instead of spouting such ill-informed rubbish. (AY are hardly Stalinists ffs)

author by brawlpublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:24Report this post to the editors

How to glorify a brawl in inner city Dublin......publishing this kind of crap is insulting, basically 12 or more yobs assault a group of 4 or less yobs then try to excuse it...put these yobs in Mountjoy

author by pat cpublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:50Report this post to the editors

For those who are wary of the use of violence against Fascists, I suggest you read this:

“Only one thing could have stopped our movement – if our adversaries had understood its principle and from the first day had smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement.”

Adolf Hitler

author by irishmanpublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:53Report this post to the editors

If you don't like the freedom which people have in Ireland why don't you go back to your own über-tolerant Vaterland with its politically-correct little Grundgesetz dictated by the USA which still has a large occupying force stationed there (concentrated in the region around Frankfurt as I recall).

We don't need "Besserwissers" like you telling us how to arrange our affairs.

author by The noble wolfpublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:56Report this post to the editors

Now go the whole hog and tell us who Hitler's "adversaries" were - at the time that the NSDAP was in its embryionic stages ....

Come on give us the full list and let's see if you would count yourself among them ....

author by pat cpublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:04Report this post to the editors

I don't know of any noble wolfs. Only Celtic Wolfs who crap themselves when they are confronted by AFA. I was really worried that the CW were going to start crying.

Anyway whats your problem? I am citing your master on the only way he could have been stopped.

author by another irishmanpublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:28Report this post to the editors

why don't YOU go to Germany and see what it's like when there's an organised neo-Nazi presence. I'll take Golgomititsch over you any day. We don't need idiots like you with your inane xenophobic bullshit.

author by Bicriupublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 13:47Report this post to the editors

Why is anyone who opposes nezo- nazi ideology is automatically labelled a red?

As for the person above saying violence does not achieve anything. what was it that helped defeat the nazis in germany?

author by topublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 14:35Report this post to the editors

I can just imagine the kind of state you would run if you ever were in power with that ludicrous statement you just made

author by Mr. T.publication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 14:50Report this post to the editors

I agree with the sentiment that not all anti-fascists should be labelled "Reds". To whit it's annoying to read the back-patting "comrades" shite in some of these posts. I'm no-one's comrade. Some of us (Anti-Fascists) are just as committed to fighting against the spread of twisted ideals and logic of the extreme left as we are against the rise of fascism. However, there's a big difference between the Stalinist, Sparts, Trots or Syndicalists talking shops and actively engaging in physical "revolutionary" violence or advocating class genocide. And these blokes don't usually as a policy discriminate based on race - they want to oppress/exterminate individualistic, productive, wealthy or educated people (depending on the values of their particular cult) equally regardless of the colour of their skin or where they were born. So at least for the moment the extreme leftists nutters are harmless, and thankfully spend most of their time fighting amongst themselves over policy minutiae. They can barely organise a pub quiz let alone a violent government overthrow.

This differs greatly from the extreme right wing... their minions aren't writing lengthy unreadable convoluted treatises on some point of social or political policy. They're playing on the fears and instilled hatred of the uneducated, organising them to be either active participants in or passive approvers of race, ethnicity or lifestyle focused hatred and violence. The more effectively they organise the angry mobs, the more real violence against vulnerable people will result. These white power eegits aren't a talking shop - they're a mob. And as I see it, there's only one way to deal with a mob - with force. Overwhelming force. Fear of physical pain and humiliation is the only language their bony skulls can comprehend.

author by Golgomititschpublication date Fri Jun 09, 2006 19:38Report this post to the editors

Yes, we might be over tolerant in Germany but not with Nazis and I am damn proud of it. All the other stuff you wrote is not worth going into. Not interested reaching those low depths of human psyche.

Why don't you come up with some decent arguments as to why Nazis should be allowed to operate freely. Can't wait to hear them. Every decent society should set limits. Nazism is not an opinion its a crime and its not a civil right to terrorise minorities and deny them their right to exist.

author by Lex Barkerpublication date Sat Jun 10, 2006 01:25Report this post to the editors

NIA

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author by jArjArpublication date Sat Jun 10, 2006 16:01Report this post to the editors

The stench of liberals off this thread is unreal.

Stop whining about people taking action against what is a very real threat in Ireland at the minute.

Would you all prefer neo-nazis to recruit and grow and then complain after they begin attacking people for the sake of them having a different coloured skin, different heritage or different culture?

There is only one language these people will inderstand without there being a crossing of wires, that of by any means necessary.

author by Balar of the Baleful Eyepublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 04:08Report this post to the editors

The stench of liberals off this thread is unreal.

If this wasn't metaphoric, you'd be verging on incitement to hate liberals as well as Nazis. The crudeness of the language betrays an intolerence that on the face of it, you would profess to be against.

Stop whining about people taking action against what is a very real threat in Ireland at the minute.

The whining weak and the fighting strong is language redolent of certain isms that are not of the Left. Your leading by example doesn't bode well for the next hated ideologies you turn to. Would you become the enemy of that you'd profess to defend? Democracy and accountability require explanation. If you think such explanation is tedium, you need say little more about your fight on behalf of democracy.

Would you all prefer neo-nazis to recruit and grow and then complain after they begin attacking people for the sake of them having a different coloured skin, different heritage or different culture?

or them having a different opinion on political strategy?

There is only one language these people will inderstand without there being a crossing of wires, that of by any means necessary.

Sounds and looks like you know that language very well - the language of 'might is right'.

The Christian Brothers tried to hammer the ignorance out of people (how ironic). What makes you think you can do any better (how ironic)?

I've no tears over Nazi meetings getting dispersed. The shudder I get from your responses to critics, however, is not something i've experienced seen I saw a school bully in action. This time, I can speak my mind - thanks to anonymity. Thee's a stench of shame that it has to be that way. Violent poses won't hand you victory in a democratic forum such as this. Your god is of a different altar.

author by Golgomititschpublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30Report this post to the editors

After all your superior rhetoric and critisism, what is your strategy? You are just one of these cafe or student canteen liberals, who like to claim human rights as theirs while riding high on a horse. Critising everything and everbody over glass of white wine. You would not even show your identiy if this would be your perfect vanilla sitcom world. You are just a whining green teletuppy. Thanks god your type was not around in the 1940's when people took up arms against the brown pest. Keep reading your Gandhi and Dalai Lama books.

author by The Noble Wolfpublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:57Report this post to the editors

But you should be careful. On topics such as these rational debate is prohibited a priori because the participants are governed or allow themselves to be governed by deeply entrenched ideological reflexes and preconceptions.

I have great difficulty in seeing "fascism" as a credible threat in Ireland. Even during the 1930s when various fascist and "national socialist" ideolgies were very much in vogue in continental Europe, the Irish did not manage produce any serious contender for the role of a "supreme leader" or succumb to the lure of the demagogues. The only would-be contender for this role, the rather pathetic alcoholic Generalissimo O'Duffy, was by all accounts more of a danger to himself and his followers than to parliamentary democracy in Ireland. The political party with which he was associated ditched him as a source of embarrassment long before the military defeat of the Axis powers and the fall from grace of fascism on the world stage. And like so many great Irish idea conceived while looking through a pint-glass, his threatened March on Dublin never materialised. A celtic Mussolini he most certainly was not.

In our own day, there is indeed a lot of latent discontent in Ireland in view of the recent waves of poorly regulated immigration and passport-claiming under rather dubious (albeit formally legal) circumstances. This is likely to give rise to social tensions in the coming years - particularly as the Celtic Tiger deflates. But I hardly expect it to lead to some kind of serious "fascist" political movement. The Irish national character - to the extent that one can generalise about such things - has too much inherent aversion towards excessive authority and discipline - too much innate contrariness - for that to happen.

However, rather than encouraging any objective debate on the topic of immigration and associated problems, the modern hierophants of political correctness - like the Romish priests of former days - try to stifle all discussion and demand that everybody simply "believes" that uncontrolled immigration and enforced multi-culturalism are good things. Once you "believe" that you can say what you like. If you dare to question it, the Inquisition descends upon you. And interestingly enough this seems to be an international phenomenon. Even Oskar Lafontaine, a leading light on the left-wing of German politics was recently attacked for using Nazi-type language when discussing the immigration question in his country. His reply: "Am I to blame for the fact that the Nazis spoke German ?"

If these people are really concerned about the "pied-pipers" of fascism gaining a foothold, they might like to consider that nothing is more likely to drive ordinary folk who have no strongly-entrenched ideological orientation in that direction than their own insufferable dissent-stifling political correctness. After all the German National Socialists under Hitler did not rise to power in a vacuum. One of their main points of appeal to significant sections of the German people in the 1920s and 30s was that they dared to challenge the Treaty of Versailles imposed on the defeated Central Powers after WWI by the Allies rather than meekly accepting its humiliating terms as the established political parties did.

So in the context of the issues that we are discussing here, it stands to reason that anyone who openly questions that uncontrolled immigration and enforced multi-culturalism are "the way to go" will attract an audience merely because they are challenging the prevailing politically-correct consensus. Dissenters always attract a following among the discontented and merely by trying to stamp them out with violent methods won't make them go away.

author by irishmanpublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:04Report this post to the editors

And what my friend is your strategy for your "Heimat" ?
A subjugated country, its laws dictated by the UK and USA, with a large force of occupation still stationed there 60 years after the toppling of its evil dictator.
The parallels with Iraq are overwhelming.
But with one difference: THE IRAQIS ARE FIGHTING !

IHR SEID EIN BESIEGTES UND GEKNECHTETES VOLK UND HABEN BEI UNS NICHTS ZU SAGEN !

author by irshmanpublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:19Report this post to the editors

Oh and by the way in this part of the world we call them TELLYTUBBIES (singular: TELLYTUBBY).

IHR SOLLT AUCH GEFAELLIGST UNSERE SPRACHE NICHT VERHUNZEN !

Related Link: http://www.schafplanet.de/botschaft/besucher/buch18.html
author by Golgomititschpublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:29Report this post to the editors

Ireland in the 1930's has been a fascist society with the clergy running the country. The catholic church in Ireland saluted the rise of fascists such as Mussolini, Franco and finally the worst Hitler. Even DeValera send condolences on Hitler's death. Probably the only statesman that has done so at that time. And half the IRA sympathizing with the Nazis anyway.

Communist meetings were violently broken up by the police, despite the fact that communists were on the forefront of fighting fascism in europe (ie. french resistants, italy, yugoslavia etc.)
There has always been a racist and sectarian element in irish society. Look at the way the protestants were treated in the 26 counties and jewish refugees were turned back to their deads by the then irish governent. I rather support by Britain at any time, as they have have taken a clear stand against Nazis Germany and allowed 140000 jewish and political refugess to enter their country.

You mentioned Oskar Lafontaine, its true he made those remarks about foreign workers. But you have taken it out of context. He was at an election rally in the east -german state of saxony, where the Neo-nazi NPD has got 20% of the vote,unempoyment is at about 30% and borders on poland and the czech republic. He did so by trying to take votes of the Nazis. Maybe he did not choose his words carefully and he actually apologised afterwards. Unlike the irish labour party leader Pat Rabitt who got applauded by the far-right BNP for his immigration control proposals.

author by Lex Barkerpublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:36Report this post to the editors

I always thought our language is irish and not english. And besides, it was the anglo-saxons (an old german tribe) that brought as the english language anyhow. Get a grip and don't speak for Ireland.

author by residents for realitypublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:49Report this post to the editors

By there actions AFA have turned a group of 4 people drinking in a pub into a group known by many. Thus given them much free publicity, thre BNP founder once thanked the ANL for making them a houshold name.

author by Golgomititschpublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 13:01Report this post to the editors

"A subjugated country, its laws dictated by the UK and USA, with a large force of occupation still stationed there 60 years after the toppling of its evil dictator".

At least we speak our own language, which is German and have our own soccer teams (Bundesliga)to follow. I probably have better Irish language skills then you anway. Talking about occupation, I don't mind being occupied by the UK. The US is a different story. At least is 60 years only and not 800 years. Besides we will win the World Cup!!!

author by The Nobel Wolfpublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 13:20Report this post to the editors

Why do you accuse me of taking Mr. Lafontaine's remarks out of context ?
The point I was trying to make was that when he dared to address the politically-sensitive issue of uncontrolled immigration he was accused by the hierophants of political correctness of using "Nazi language". Is that not a fact ?
It is completely irrelevant as to whether or not he was forced by these people to apologise (and I cannot recall that he did in fact do so).

My point was that not even a prominent left-wing politician (and someone who nobody in their right mind would consider to be a crypto-Nazi) could not even address this issue in public without the Inquisition descending upon him. And I think that despite your reservations, this remains quite a valid point.

As to Ireland in the 1930's, it may well be true that in the 26-county state, the Roman Church was in a dominant position. One might even be tempted to call this state of affairs a "clerico-fascist theocracy". But parliamentary political structures were never dissolved as for example in Austria under Dollfuss - which formally became a clerical-fascist state - and there was never any strong fascist political party. So from this point of view "fascism" stricto sensu - as an organised political force - did not take root in Ireland despite the arguably favorable conditions. Merely because of its conservative nature, one should not try to force the predominantly rural and agrarian Irish society of that time into a specific ideological pigeon-hole based on one's own prejudices. And any sectarian aspects of the southern state must be seen in their proper context as mirror reflections of the sectarianism prevalent in the northern state. Ireland was partitioned by your friends, the English gentlemen, along sectarian lines and it is therefore not very surprising that the two statelets developed along such lines. (In the same way, Germany was partitioned along two different lines - in this case ideological, rather than confessional - after its military defeat in 1945 and the two halves developed quite differently. Indeed, I have heard that even until this very day, Ossis are discriminated against, ridiculed and persecuted in the west of Germany. And in the East, Wessis are often disliked for their arrogant, overbearing manner and their predilection for displaying material wealth)

However, I accept your point about the clear stand which Britain took against Nazi Germany and I am sure that this view is shared by many Czechs (especially those in the Sudetenland) and Poles as well who until this very day recall with much gratitude the military assistance they received after the declaration of war on Germany in 1939. But I think that we should be a little cautious about rewriting history to present the Second World War in romanticised ex-post facto black and white terms as some kind of epic struggle between Good (Anglo-American civilisation) and Evil (the Axis of evil - now where have I heard that term before). It was indeed a struggle, but not necessarily such a clean one as the victors would have us believe.

I know that you Germans suffer from a lot of funny complexes due to your troubled history but I hope that you will excuse me for not wanting to carry this particular baggage. It's yours, not mine.

author by Irishmanpublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 13:36Report this post to the editors

Ja mein lieber Golgomitisch, Du würdest Dich wundern wie viele junge Deutsche, die ich getroffen habe, eine komische Mischsprache namens "Denglisch" oder "Engeltheutsch" sprechen. Und die, wenn die mit einem Ausländer aus dem "englisch-sprechenden Raum" treffen, viel lieber ihren holprigen Schulenglisch vortragen wollen, als auf deutsch zu reden. Ein Volk, das zwar eine eignene Sprache hat, sich aber dafür fast schämt. Wenn ich das sehe, kommt mir ein altes Gedicht von Ó Bruadair aus meinen Schultagen in Erinnerung:
Nach ait an nós seo ag morchuid fearaibh Éireann
A d'ait go nua le mórtas maingiléiseach
Cé tais a dtreoir ar chódaibh Ghall-chléiribh
Ní chanaid glór ach ghósta ghairbh-Bhéarla."

Weil deine Gälisch-Kenntnisse angeblich so hevorragend sind, wäre eine Übersetzung hier wohl überflussig. Aber so fing es damals an in Irland mit der Untergang der eigenen Sprache, und wer sich damit auskennt, kann auch ein ähnliches Zeichen in dem heutigen BRD erkennen.

author by Golgomititschpublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 14:07Report this post to the editors

"I know that you Germans suffer from a lot of funny complexes due to your troubled history but I hope that you will excuse me for not wanting to carry this particular baggage. It's yours, not mine."

Baggage? As far as I know, it was the irish who turned up in Germany complaining about the "evil" english and asking for shipments of weapons(i.e. Rodger Casement). And it was the IRA who bombed british army bases in Germany (Osnabrueck) and brought their little petty sectarian war onto german soil. We did not ask for it. So don't give me this 'we have nothing to do with you' stuff

Complexes? Well at least germans know they are germans. Im not so sure if you know what your language is or what soccer team to follow in this country. Not to mention your leaders turning up in Brussels asking for EU grants and looking like beggars. This country looks more and more like a bad part of the UK. Is that the reason for you high suicide rate, binge drinking etc?

Why don't you ask the poles and czechs themselves what they think about Britains war contribution. Better then sitting on the fences and going with the flow, I would say.

author by Golgomititschpublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 14:37Report this post to the editors

Someone is using my name.

author by Irishmanpublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 16:29Report this post to the editors

To the Pseudo-Golgomitisch:
Well if that's your attitude why not emigrate to one of the nicer parts of the UK then ?
I'm sure that they'll welcome you with open arms ...

To the real Golgomitisch:
I am sorry to see that you have become a victim of cyber-identity theft.

author by hurler on the ditchpublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 16:43Report this post to the editors

I have to say that Miroslav Klose and Lukas Podolski don't seem to be the full Aryan schilling. Apparently, they have been overheard speaking Polish together on the football pitch.

Could it be that soccer in German has lost its racial purity and has become as "globalised" as everywhere else ? Ah well that's what ye get for playing those ould "foreign games" now so it is.

author by Real Golgomititschpublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 16:55Report this post to the editors

Well, Hitler was not the full aryan shilling either. Besides he was austrian. And the celtic wolves don't look like the master race either. More like egg heads.

author by Lex Barkerpublication date Sun Jun 11, 2006 17:23Report this post to the editors

Wow, I always thought you GAA people are the ones that are paranoid of foreign influences. Especially Soccer.

author by TODDY MANC - FCUM RED ARMY FACTIONpublication date Sun Jul 09, 2006 00:38Report this post to the editors

Just to say congrats on a job well done. sod the wingeing liberal hippy pacafist poo pooing anmd condemnations. as a veteran of thje fight against the fash over the water for many a year I can only repeat the old quote ''OH IT'S A DIRTY JOB BUT SOMEONE's GOTTA DO IT''. one last thing get yourselves a copy of NO RETEAT by DAVE HANN and STEVE TILSZY {MILO BOOKS} if you havent already

author by Supersheeppublication date Wed Jul 19, 2006 18:58Report this post to the editors

Maybe some people here should read what the Celtic Wolves posted up on that infamous Nazi site - the purpose of the meeting was to get together and get to know one another so they could have a foundation to build their organisation upon. So, it's good that AFA broke up the meeting, even if I don't agree with the way they did it.
Most of these guys are just like Karl and the rest, little people trying to be 'hard' and the like. So why not put them under surveillance? Give them a quick warning, and more than likely they'll run away crying. Plus, it'd be practice for if/when the fascists ever got to be big enough to be a real threat.

author by Sheepstealerpublication date Wed Jul 19, 2006 23:29Report this post to the editors

Well done to the AFA and Anarchist Youth for forcing these Nazi Celtic Wolves to abandon their meeting. These undesirables have to be nipped in the bud and not given breeding ground. It is good to know that there is people about to prevent such scum from establishing their culture of hate in our city. Well done to all who took part in the action.

author by Yank - Humanpublication date Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:00Report this post to the editors

Interesting story you all have here. Fact of the matter is though, the only way to deal with extremist (right or left) is to watch them and, in a very detached cold manner, squish 'em when they get out of line -- WITH THE LAW!! You guys enjoyed it too much - it's not about having fun it's about your families safety (family is, by the way, the same as society).

author by antifapublication date Thu Sep 14, 2006 16:26Report this post to the editors

Word has come down that Karl O Brien, neo nazi pictured here - http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/jun2006/resize_3.jpg is now working for the North County Leader writing an opinion column. He was previously a student in Colaiste Dhuilagh in coolock.

author by Sean St Ledger - Peoples Front of Judea!publication date Fri Sep 15, 2006 19:49Report this post to the editors

So a neo Nazi now has a paper with a distribution of 160,000 to spread his vile thought.Excellent..Cant wait to read his opinions on immigrants and ethnic minorities living in Ireland....

author by Dublinerpublication date Fri Dec 08, 2006 19:06Report this post to the editors

Good work lads,keepin our streets clean of nazi scum.
Dublin allways has been a revolutionary city with a proud left wing tradition,its good to see you lads keeping Dublin an impossable place for neo nazis to organise.
NO PASARAN!

author by Snopublication date Mon Feb 12, 2007 23:56Report this post to the editors

woah this is the first time i have heard anything about "The Celtic Wolves" im just wondering if they are such a secret group, how do you guys get all this info on them and also how did yous get the pictures??
are they a large group here?? are they responsible for many crimes??
Thanks! :)

author by Fiery Spublication date Tue Feb 13, 2007 14:23Report this post to the editors

They are a tiny group who have been convincingly linked to no crimes. They're just a group of numb Nazi's. They aren't nice, but they're harmless.

author by RedRealistpublication date Tue Feb 13, 2007 16:15Report this post to the editors

It's great to see how the armchair soft left cry when some Nazi scum get what they deserve. Let's deal with reality. Fascists do not believe in free speech or political debate. Good job because they're not the most eloquent people really. They believe in the jack boot to victimise ethnic, religious and sexual minorities and trade union activists. If we allow them to organise without being both physically and politically opposed, it will have consequences for these people.

I would rather see a Hitler worshipping Nazi have his head beaten off a brick wall until all his 5 brain cells gave in than see an innocent immigrant family or gay person burnt out of their home or left hospitalized. I'm sure the liberal cybermoralists 'tut tut' at the television when they see crimes like this taking place, but what are they doing to stop it?

Of course, the roots of fascism lie in the decay that capitalist society has created, economically and socially. That's why we need to fight for a socialist society that can wipe this virus off the face of humanity forever. I doubt most of those who are criticising this action have done anything about that for a while either...

The Celtic Wolves are a small group of insecure nut cases who get their kicks by telling themselves that they're part of the master race. But as Hitley pointed, his enemies' greatest mistake was not crushing his organisation when it was small. There could come a point when far right groups begin to grow significantly because of the scapegoating of immigrants for the race to the bottom taking place in Irish society today.

And where will the liberal left be then?? Hiding in their cupboards hoping the nasty Nazis don't come to get them!

SMASH FASCISM! BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!

author by liberty boypublication date Thu Mar 29, 2007 21:42Report this post to the editors

Hello I'm also from across the water. What i want to say basically is that the extent of the condemnation of that episode of crude AFA violence has led me to reassess my own racial precepts of the Irish. Having grown up on a council estate in Doncaster Yorkshire in which the head thug and psychopathic bully was a Rooney and the most feared and belligerent school the catholic st peters, in adult hood I already had a prejudice of irishmen associated with brutality before my attention was drawn to the political groups drawn form the irish disapora In England who were regularly featured gloating over the "damage" they inflicted on adversaries- groups like red action which used to brutally hunt down BNP supporters. i was just surprised to see just how moralistic so many on here were and the way people came out against the the crowing bullies who attacked the rightwingers in Dublin. It's been a salutary lesson in destroying my english racism -towards the irish- to read the comments people have made on here. In some respects the irish view of freedom of conscience of political view is currently ahead of that in England hidebound by political correctness which glosses over attacks on BNP supporters or assumes the morally lazy view that rightwingers and those oposed to multi-racialism have only themsleves to blame if they're targetted.

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