Tales of at Least Two Protests

by simpleton Tue Sep 27, 2005 21:33

What in the name of the holy whore is " unjoyment " , and are microsft trying to get the patent on it?

by dunk Tue Sep 27, 2005 16:01

for me- i know what i was like at 12 - 13, i know that if these events were here id have been at them

berlin:
89-150
99-1,500,000 people dancing on the streets

creativity and unjoyment are tools for change

by Paul Tue Sep 27, 2005 15:55

Are we now in favour of encouraging 11 year-olds to drink cans of beer in the street? Is 'liberation' about getting drunk and fitting the national stereotype? Would you like to see your 11-year-old drinking cans of beer and getting bollixed?

Serious question: are we in favour of young teens drinking at our events?

by dunk Tue Sep 27, 2005 15:20

lads
just trying to add to this
there was more than the "2 protests"
the dublin one was part of a series of days of demonstrating alternatives, building up the networks, opening new avenues etc

personally, a big demo that comes along now and again is great and fun, but plugging into real day to day world and building up there is what is very important

a garden was started a half year ago in dublin 8, one of the places worst treated by the city; throw all the problems, junkies, clinics etc in there- the bin of the city?? as some refered to it, some "activists" have plugged in and helped in the garden, butr personally i thought more would have or that it could have been used as a social space during warm summer

anyway, just throwing that in, same goes for trying to make a social centre for city
we need space, we need new approaches

anyway i feel its great that theres all these different things going on
so what if there were young kids drinking cans and dancing on streets with no politic thinking- how political were you when you were 11 or 13?
point is from that they might and hopefully will participate in the building of spaces, resistance, creativity; more stuff

fair play to all who are doing something, fighting for what they believe in

there is an activist ghetto, but the walls are coming down, maybe slowly, but they are coming down

by W Tue Sep 27, 2005 15:11

i'm really not trying to put these two events in competition or attack the weekend of resistance merely pointing out that neither of them were very effective.

We can entrench ourselves into positions of criticising each other and defending our own actions (to the point of fooling ourselves) or we can be open and honest about what we are all doing.

Solidarity!

by faghag supreme - People in pain Tue Sep 27, 2005 14:53

Could W please grow up SOON? This is not a game where we compare to see which was better than the other!

Well done to both those in Dublin and Shannon! Don't understand the Dublin event really myself but I'm pretty sure it helped in some way to continue the spirit of revolt.

by dunk Tue Sep 27, 2005 14:35

duplicate post replaced with link to original - IMC ED list of other events that happened t links
CarFreeDay cRiTicAL mAsS!
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=71930&condense_comments=false#comment121856

Seomra Spraoi collective invites you to a night of play, art, discussion, film, food, disco
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=71888

Take Back The City
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=71773

get your hands dirty this weekend - community garden day
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=72081

september 05 greenway cycle
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=70281&condense_comments=false#comment122609

by W Tue Sep 27, 2005 14:13

I think if we're going to compare these two actions then someone from the weekend of resistance is going to have to look at it critically and realise that it was about as much use as the Take Back The City march.

The main differences between Limerick and TBTC would be..

1. Take back the city involved at least 100 new faces who have never been involved in "politics" before.

2. Take back the city did not use the "protest as usual" forms even when the plan fell to shit. There were two crowds in the city centre that met up on the quays and the cops had no idea where the 2nd crowd came from.
People on the TBTC march carried barricades, ran through shops and de-arrested trollies showing that the youth are still revolting and believe me - they're getting younger (i'm not).

(these are the positive aspects I didn't feel needed posting in my original critique)

I think everyone needs look at their tactics and organisational methods, not just rts, where are they getting us? and where do we want to go?

Solidarity