"This is hard on these guys, especially killing the dogs"

by Michael Sat Dec 11, 2004 07:49

Most Americans don't know, don't understand, and frankly don't care enough about what their country is doing abroad.

The Washington regime must be stopped by whatever means necessary.

by radical jonny Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:42 radicaljonny at yahoo dot ie

This war is a many-tentacled beast, and it's up to us on this island to redouble our efforts to fight the bit that is touching us: the use of Shannon to move troops and supplies through to Iraq. We have to make it politically impossible for Ahern and co. to allow Bush and co. to continue to use Shannon, forcing them to fly all the way to some base in Britiain.

THEN, the British people have to make it politically impossible for Blair and co. to allow the US to use the British base, forcing them to fly all the way to Germany.

THEN, the German people...

Is the vision becoming clearer?

There's a lot more of us than there are of them... If we all show up...

by Observer Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:02

Americans and others to a lesser extent are basically in denial about this and many other issues. In a large part people know in their own minds there is awful shit happening but they put it out of their mind and continue on with their total self-absorption.

This stuff has been going on in ALL wars not just this one. That fact doesn't make this any less awful.

It has been interesting the way the propaganda has been dealing with this sort of stuff. When it somehow manages to get by the corporate media filters and appears on the news, they then go and look for a scape goat, charge him and claim it is an isolated incident. By doing that it feeds into what the public wants to hear that anything bad they might see is just an ioslated incident. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Until a massive number face up to their denial particularly in the US, there is little chance of change. It is also odd that perhaps people know in their own minds until the US casuality rate really climbs much higher and it is affecting nearly every street, people will not have the social courage to be seen to be doing anything that everyone else will look down on. People do not like to stick out socially and so won't act. The backdrop of the pro war right wing agenda of the corporate media especially in the US is what makes it seem that they would be breaking a social taboo to voice one's objections. Whether intentional or not, it is the multiple sources of other voices from the many TV channels, radio stations and print media of all forms -mainly all propaganda, that are the bubble that allows the denial to continue.

by Angry Loaner with an irrational grudge against back-packers. - Irrational Rationalizers for a Post-Rational World Sat Dec 11, 2004 16:52

www.whitehouse.gov/barney/. There's a facility here where you can ask Barney a question. I asked him why his owner's such a killer.

by Sam Nambulos Sat Dec 11, 2004 18:44

These comoments are laughable when you consider that Bush is sending his imperial envor, Mitchell Reiss, to Ireland next week to ensure Anglo-America's grip on Ireland, North and South.

by righteous pragmatist Sat Dec 11, 2004 19:43

Just because bodies are eaten by dogs war is suddenly wrong?

Thousands of German soldiers were killed in the Ardennes almost 60 years ago this month during the last gasp of the Whermacht in Western Europe. The Ardennes is a heavily wooded area and their bones are probably still lying where they fell. Probably were picked clean by the crows.
Are you saying the Americans shouldn't have killed them and freed the concentration camps?

The dead bodies of Iraqi insurgents and foreign jihadists are doubtless scattered all over Falllujah after the recent offensive and will rot and be pulled apart by vermin.

But the terrorists can no longer operate their slaughter houses where they killed hostages such as Ken Bigley and Margaret Hassan who now that I mention it never got a decent burial. Maybe dogs tore their rotting corpses to pieces too eh?

Save me your outrage.

What about the bones of hundreds of thousands of Saddam's victims who you people never even mention on your website?
What about the bodies of the victims of 9/11 who were never recovered?

You people weep for dead terrorists and murderers who got their just deserts instead.

by padraic - wsm Sat Dec 11, 2004 19:51

"But the terrorists can no longer operate their slaughter houses where they killed hostages such as Ken Bigley and Margaret Hassan who now that I mention it never got a decent burial. Maybe dogs tore their rotting corpses to pieces too eh?"

really? they were killed in Falllujah were they?

doesn't matter though does it, the insurgents are obviously on a par with nazi's so any kind of action is fair enough. Why not just nuke the city? After all, the innocent civilians have obviously left by now. Anyone remaining mut be an insurgent or foreign jihadist.


or an idiot... or someone who didn't want to abandon their home... or someone too afraid to leave... or someone who hates whats happening to their homeland and blames the Americans for it... or someone who wishes it would just stop.. or someone who has seen their male relatives battered, arrested and killed ... or someone...

by Ciarzo Sat Dec 11, 2004 19:57

Perhaps these are some of the "terrorists" to which you refer?

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album28&page=1

by ared dread Sat Dec 11, 2004 22:00

I see the israeli embassy has been here again

by toneore Sat Dec 11, 2004 22:11 toneore at eircom dot net

...pro-terrorist propaganda. Why not think about terrorism in Iraq and its victims, or better still, home grown terrorism.

Bloody Friday in Northern Ireland saw dogs drinking blood in the gutters and real human beings being shovelled into plastic bags by the emergency services. All courtesy of the fellow travellers of the scum bags who were afraid to be humiliated over a photograph. When are you people going to drop the politics of victimhood and deal with reality of terrorism?

Isn't this photograph humiliating, Adams?

by Phuq Hedd Sat Dec 11, 2004 22:23

Is that it's war carried out on a small scale by generally small groups, whereas war is terrorism carried out on a large scale by large groups.

If the atrocities committed by the IRA and UVF/UDA/UK are appalling (and they are) then so too are those committed by USA in Iraq.

There appear to be some labouring under the misapprehension that because terrorism happened in Northern Ireland that makes it OK to murder civilians in Iraq.

We've seen who approaches the NAZIs more closely in this conflict. I'll give you a hint. They have:

1. Large camps where they detain people
2. Prisons where they torture people
3. A "modern, rapid-offense capability military"
4. A stated belief in God and the idea that he is on their side
5. Occupied a sovereign nation in violation of international law
6. Killed at least hundreds of thousands of people
7. Institutionalised racism

by you know who Mon Dec 13, 2004 14:21

And maybe that innocent housewife Jean McConville, felt humiliated while she was being tortured for the ultimate crime of daring to live in a catholic housing estate.
Or maybe she was humiliated when told to get on her knees and take a 9mm in the back of the head!

by buster Tue Dec 14, 2004 14:20

Blitzkrieg is nearly 70 years old!

by redjade Tue Dec 14, 2004 15:48

13 December 2004
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/focusoniraq/2004/December/focusoniraq_December105.xml§ion=focusoniraq

BOGOTA - A US company has recruited 25 retired Colombian police and army officers to provide security for oil infrastructure in Iraq, according to the newspaper El Tiempo.

The officers met in northern Bogota on December 2 with a Colombian colonel, who, on behalf of “Halliburton Latin America,”  offered them monthly salaries of 7,000 dollars to provide security for oil workers and infrastructure in several Iraqi cities, according to one of the men, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

“On Friday, 16 Colombians will leave for Iraq with one-year contracts, renewable for six months,” the source said. “In addition to the salary of 7,000 dollars, vacations in Europe every three months and life insurance were offered,” he said.