Open Invitation to pamphlet launch

by glen swizer Mon Sep 15, 2003 18:39

Haven't you guys ever heard of the phrase 'markket timing'? And why invite lefties? What kind of lefties would they be if they didn't know who marx was?

by Adam Smith Mon Sep 15, 2003 18:53

Oh dear, Glen, whatever about lefties who have not heard of Marx, one would expect that any right-winger with half a brain would be able to spell 'market'. Then again, perhaps your fingers were shaking with the excitement of once again doing battle with the Evil Ones.
Go on Glen, have another go, you'll feel better for it!

by >>>>>Seáinín Mon Sep 15, 2003 19:29

It's anachronistic to talk about Marx in these days, the kind of society he railed against no longer exists.

It's been proven over and over again that any kind of artificial system imposed (uusally with miillions of deaths) NEVER has worked and never will.

Give it up, it's STOOPID.

Please excuse my spelling.

by John - ISN Mon Sep 15, 2003 19:58

I thought I was pretty clear that I was, on behalfof the ISN, extending an invite to anybody interested in the event.
If you are not interested then your not invited.

by David Mon Sep 15, 2003 21:29

which marx will turn up to preach in this pamphlet. he's a man who has been so misrepresented so often to meet the interests of various groups

by Glein Swizer Mon Sep 15, 2003 21:46

> by John - ISN Monday, Sep 15 2003, 6:58pm
>
> I thought I was pretty clear that I was, on
> behalfof the ISN, extending an invite to anybody
> interested in the event.
> If you are not interested then your not invited.

Oh I am interested! I'm *very* interested.

And I may well turn up whether invited or not.......

If people who don't like Peter Sutherland can walk into a meeting, grab his arm and give him pompous lectures on stuff he already knows about then why can't I exercise the same freedom of speech right to show up at your meeting and tell you exaxtly what I think of Marx, a man who wrote about equality but kept servants all his life?

Glen.

PS - It's rude to criticise peoples spelling on the internet.

PPS - The typo occured because I can type faster than some of you eejits think.

by Pablo Montana - Indie Socialist Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:28

So you are an expert on Marx then Seanin? I look forward to reading your full critique. What did you think of the Grundrisse for example? Or his critique of the Gotha programme? I presume you have read Capital in full. Oh to be as wise as you Seanin!

by John - ISN Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:59

Look forward to seeing you then

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by . Tue Sep 16, 2003 16:17

Very good initiative, would be great to see more socialist books, even left cultural events etc.. just wondering why Mick O'Reilly is launchng it?? I know hes a good bloke, Tunionist, left etc.. but hardly a marxist, just wondering though??

best of luck with it.

by Pablo Montana - Indie Socialist Tue Sep 16, 2003 16:56

"of Marx, a man who wrote about equality but kept servants all his life?"

Never saw that in any biography of the man I read. Was obsessed with getting a good education for his kids, but generaly lived from hand to mouth on donations from supporters and hand outs from Engels.

by Joe Tue Sep 16, 2003 17:14

Didn't Marx famously get his maid pregnant and then get Engles to own up as the father?

Just googled it and my memory is correct, lots of references, here is one
"Marx also complicated his home life by getting Helena Demuth, the family's German maid, pregnant. The illegitimate son was passed off as Engels', a womaniser with a reputation, and the whole affair was hushed up."
http://www.smoon.co.uk/marx/london.htm

by Joe Tue Sep 16, 2003 17:19

"The champion of the working class knew well only one working class person: Helen Demuth, the maid who worked for his family. Marx, who railed against the exploitation of the workers, exploited his only worker both financially and sexually. In the forty-five years Helen worked for the Marx family, he never paid her a penny. She received only room and board, which for several years was as meager for her as for Marx's unfortunate wife and children.

In 1849-50, while the family plus servant were living in a two-room flat, Marx started an intimate relationship with Helen and got her pregnant. He refused to admit that the child, a son named Freddy, was his, and had him put out as a foster child. As Freddy grew up, he was permitted to visit his mother in the Marx's kitchen, but was forbidden to use the front door."

by >>>>>Seáinín Wed Sep 17, 2003 00:38

He was so busy with his intellectual life that he never stopped to consider what ordinary people think.

That's how he managed to devise this ridiculous system which some poor fools then tried to put into action. It was too late when they foundout they needed mass murder to keep the system going.

Marxism is the greatest evil humanity has ever devised.

by Ois Thu Sep 18, 2003 03:07

I'm baffled as to how Marx managed to keep a maid when he was so poor that he often couldn't put food on the table. (It is suspected that one of his children died from malnutrition).

Seanin, one of the largest problem with marx is that he didn't devise a system. He did three major theoretical things. He developed dialectical materialism, he developed a bordering on flawless critique of capitalism, and he offered loose advise on revolutionary strategy. He did not however develop a 'system' and was vehemently opposed to socialists that did calling them 'utopian'.

It was Lenin who developed the 'system'.

So please go read a book.

How about Isiah Berlin's biography or even better Lenin's pamphlet on him that leaves out his 'revolutionary theory'; the worst bit of his work and did end up being twisted to justify Leninism and what is now known as Communism.

I probably won't be able to make the publication do but I look forward to reading a copy soon.