Schulz V Berlusconi

by Andrew Thu Jul 03, 2003 16:56

I don't think they have a 'skip if particualarly nasty scumbag' clause!

by Cadre - guess Thu Jul 03, 2003 17:02

The ruling classes are divided. They can no longer hide that the system is rotten to the core. People are angry, sickened, disgusted.

by Enoch Powell's rent boy Thu Jul 03, 2003 18:12

Nazi Berlusconi who relies on the backing of ultra right italian fascists should know be able to spot a nazi a mile off, seeing as he is one himself. Another case of the pot calling the kettle black here

by hs - sp Thu Jul 03, 2003 18:40

he's even got a mussolini, andrea I think, in power with him.

by iosaf Thu Jul 03, 2003 18:44

entered gov. in coalition with Burlosconi after the 1995 elections.
it was quite shocking. italians saw that gov. almost split Italy, the Paduva league declared independence (they are northern seperatist fascists) it failed.
THere after Burlosckunti changed tactic, rather than split the north from the south he now aims to create a presidential & PM job for himself.
look for andreotti.

if garibaldi had not yesterday all those years ago started his hungerstrike, and convinced the Sardinians to support him, Italy wouldn't have happened.

by Kev - various Thu Jul 03, 2003 22:21

Whats the Fallout in Italy?

I heard that he was trying to blame the domestic oppostion for 'causing the scandal' or something?

I saw the thing on telly last night, fucking strange.

by Magneto Fri Jul 04, 2003 11:33

The SP have got Loyalists in poer with them in QUBSU.

by >>> Fri Jul 04, 2003 12:48

COP ON for fuck sake. this is just pathetic, does every thread have to be tired squabble.. it's been done before!!!

by Magneto Fri Jul 04, 2003 12:51

hs of the SP commented on who Berlosconi was in power with - Fascists. I pointed out that the SP were/are in a voting pact with loyalist fascists in QUB Students Union.

So hs is hardly in a position to attack anyone.

by wolverine Fri Jul 04, 2003 13:02

QUB student elections for part-time students who want to smarten up their CV, and get their mobile bills paid for the year... Its hardly the same thing as the fuckin EU presidency now is it, so fuck off with your political cult fantasies or stick to the point, namely BERLUSCONI.

by wolverine Fri Jul 04, 2003 13:09

In relation to the original question about berlusconi, He represents the apex of the modern politician, Big business king and holding all the leashes in the media. This guy is just what the new world order needs, Big business's strong man in europe, like Hitler was in the thirties. How do these people get people to vote for them? Same as bertie and the rest...erode the opposition and lie lie lie, but most important of all....make as many friends as you can with the global corporations cos thats where the real power is.

by i breaka your face - the mafia Fri Jul 04, 2003 13:37 omerta at sicily dot it Little Vito's Pizza Parlour, the Bronx, Noo Yawk

Hey. What do you expect from an Italian gangster. First you slappa da face. Then you kiss it.

by Magneto Fri Jul 04, 2003 13:46

Not just in the SU elections. The SP also voted along with the loyalists against naming a bursary after murdered Humann Rights Lawyer Pat Finucane. The SP said it would be sectarian to name the bursary after Finucane!

The SP then went on to support naming a bursary after a loyalist who had been killed by the IRA!

If the SP are going to raise the issue of whos aligned politically (as they did on this thread) then rats in their own backyard are also going to be uncovered.

by Yawn Fri Jul 04, 2003 14:44

No one cares who the SP backed in what student election, in fact very few people care about anything the SP SWP or any other shitebag 'revolutionary party' thinks. And I for one do not give a flying fuck what you think about them. Wanna chase rats....piss off back to the sewers

by Magneto Fri Jul 04, 2003 14:47

Agree that the SP and SWP are shitbag parties. I will leave the sewers to them.

by Ivan Caramba - IBC Fri Jul 04, 2003 17:03

Magneto you are a fucking moron. Give it up will you its impossible to get anything of value out of this site when you have to trawl through the verbal spunk of sexually frustrated teens. Give it a fucking rest you bloated bag of wank.

by Magneto Fri Jul 04, 2003 17:47

I love it when you talk dirty.

by hs - sp Sat Jul 05, 2003 19:50

What? as I was saying, berlusconi accused a german politician of looking like a nazi, in what was supposed to be a joke. (this is what we were talking about. I just pointed out he is in power with the ex-fascist national alliance who came from the old fascist MSI. I didn't actually say anything i just pointed out it was a little rich for him to call a german a nazi (just cause he's german) while hes got a mussolini in power with him. I didn't actually say fini was a fascist. hes not in the 1930s sense, at least theres no blackshirts.

As for loyalists being fascists I don't think so, nationalists yes but fascists I don't agree. Depends on how you define fascist i don't like to bandy the word round so much makes you sound like rick out of the young ones.

by hs - Sp Sat Jul 05, 2003 20:02

alright kev.
Really no one is particulary suprised, except of course that he managed to make the biggest eu mess in only two days, a record even for him! But we're kind of used to his mouth by now. not just him too. Bossi (leader of the northern league) has an even bigger one. He once said he wiped his arse with the italian flag, then went to sit in gov. in rome! Since B.s come to power hes changed the law to clear himself of some cases, he's also trying to change the law so the defendent (ie him) can pick and choose areas to be tried and therefore judges. He also re introduced political immunity for politicians (ie himslf). Since hes in power we had naples, genova two general strikes and literally thousands of strikes and factory and school occupations. But he remains popular with some on the right, because they've no other party, althought the christaian democrats are starting to make a comeback. The bourgeois seem to be split on him, the professionals are against him and so are the traditional business such as the agnelis (fiat). They seem to want a less devisive centre left gov.
But the smaller businesses and newer ones are still behind him though they're impatient.
Here in sicily hes still popular though theres more support for the ex fascists as it's traditionally been an msi area, at least eastern sicily anyway.
Anyway in short people found it funny, a little emabarrassing but no one was suprised.

by Anti-Magneto Sun Jul 06, 2003 02:24

Magneto - instead of just repeating unsubstantiated gossip which is posted here you should really try and find out the facts.
No member of the Socialist Party opposed the naming of the bursary at Queens after Pat Finucane. No member of the Socialist Party voted for the bursary to be named after a dead or living unionist politician. No member of the Socialist Party supported the Territorial Army having a stall at freshers day in Queens.
If you bothered to try and find out what actually happened you would discover that the member of the Socialist Party who has been accused of the above didn't even have the right to vote at the meetings where these decisions were made!
The original posting making these allegations was simply an attempt by republicans to discredit the Socialist Party, none of it based in fact. But of course a muppet like you isn't interested in facts as your aim is just to slander people.
On other threads, other "types" with a similar raison d'etre as Magneto have made many incorrect allegations against the Socialist Party. One concerned the outcome of the FBU dispute. A poster claimed that the Socialist Party argued that the "final" offer in the pay dispute should be accepted. This poster claimed that the Socialist Party at the FBU conference argued for acceptance of the deal. Leaving aside that both the British and Irish Socialist Party papers contained articles which clearly argued against accepting the deal - there were NO Socialist Party members at the FBU conference. Again facts don't seem to matter to Magneto, Durrutti, Curious etc.

by Kev Sun Jul 06, 2003 19:03

Hey Henry, thanks for the update. I pretty much assumed this was just another comedy in the tragedy of Italian politics.

Just one thing, when you say: "As for loyalists being fascists I don't think so, nationalists yes but fascists I don't agree." - I'm assuming that you mean that Loyalists are (british) Nationalists, and not that all Nationalists are all fascists?

Just clarifying it, otherwise we'll have a slew of "SP call catholics fascists" type postings from our anonymous friends. Altho, I would say that the LVF come quite close to being basically fascists - in my view anyway -, as do their friends in C Coy.

Just as a matter of interest, i found this site www.scottishloyalists.com - its quite funny. For example: "The powerful giant Finn Mc Cool was chief of the Irish Royal Army." Now I might be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure there was no monarchy in those days. (If Fionn even existed).

And the classic "Is Gerry Adams Gay?" 'article'.

Shocking new claims that the Sinn Fein President is gay have come to light, a source close to the IRA army council said "during the negotiations concerning decommissioning of some weapons, it was not only our backs that were against the wall, our arses were well and truly covered" . Our new high powered camera has caught a picture that we believe to be the Sinn Fein President, we have been told by Patricia O'Neil of the Army council that Geraldine as he likes to be called can often be seen in the transvestite clubs in London, but on this occasion was caught somewhere close to the Loyalist heartland in what can only be described as a reconnaissance mission. Sinn Fein spokesman and I use the term loosely, Gerry Kelly was unavailable for any comment, but his private secretary A. Shirtlifter said " both Kelly and Adams often argue about what dress to wear, and felt they should be given more allowances from Westminster to aid them in their fight for parity of esteem within their own party". Gerry Adams was also unavailable for comment.

To sse the pic go here http://www.scottishloyalists.com/images/geraldineadams.jpg

You'd think these people would be having better things to be doing? My excuse is a Sunday hangover.

by Magneto Sun Jul 06, 2003 20:27

It is a matter of record that a SP member opposed the naming of a bursary after Pat Finucane at QUBSU Executive, he also supported naming a bursary after Edgar Graham,a loyalist who had been killed by the IRA. The same SP member supported the British Army having a recruiting stall at a QUB Open Day. The SU records confirm this.

At the time it was discussed on Indymedia and SP members (on Indy) defended their stance in QUB. They certainly did not deny it had happened.

This yet another attempt by the SP to rewrite history. Stalins Airbrush rules supreme in that party.

by Get it right Sun Jul 06, 2003 23:43

Lies, damned lies and complete mis-quotes

by Anti- Magneto Mon Jul 07, 2003 00:25

The emphasis is on you Magneto to prove your groundless allegations. And if Socialist Party members did speak on these matters on Indymedia as you claim then they weren't qualified to do so (i.e. they didn't know the facts).

by Magneto Mon Jul 07, 2003 11:40

The SP at the time defended the actions of the SP in QUBSU. It is laughable that you are now trying to rewrite history.

It is up to the SP to explain why their members both North and South defended these actions. Surely the Northern SP members knew that this event had taken place. To try and deny reality at this stage just brings the SP further into disrepute.

by Anti-Magneto Mon Jul 07, 2003 12:35

You stated earlier that the student union records supported your allegations - produce them - produce the evidence!

by Magneto Mon Jul 07, 2003 12:53

You at the time agreed it happened, you supported the actions of the QUBSU SP. You are now trying to rewrite history. You produce them.

Or tell us why all of your members at the time thought it was correct to oppose naming a bursary after Pat Finucane.

by Anti-Magneto Mon Jul 07, 2003 14:13

You have made the allegations therefore the onus is on you to prove your claims, if you cannot produce evidence then you should withdraw the accusations. Even under the biased and anti-working class bourgeois legal system the onus is on the accuser to produce evidence not the other way around. So put up or shut up!

by Magneto Mon Jul 07, 2003 14:35

no one. Stalins Airbrush at work again.

by IMC troll monitoring unit Mon Jul 07, 2003 15:30

Oh look it's Magneto diverting an unrelated thread with his anonymous attacks on the SP again. Whatever next?

(who's bettin that we never see those "SU records" boys and girls?)

by Magneto Mon Jul 07, 2003 16:05

The SP were the first to raise electoral alliances on this thread. People who live in glass houses with loyalist fascists should not throw stones.

by IMC troll monitoring unit Mon Jul 07, 2003 19:21

I'm not in the SP. I'd barely fucking heard of them until I started using this site. I'm not in any political party nor do I plan on joining one.

I do like using Indymedia though and I can't stand the way you : yes YOU : and a couple of other shitheads are ruining this site with your constant whining about the SP. You don't like them. Fine. We understood that the first time you hijacked a thread to tell us it. Now fuck off. This is an independent news service not a bullettin board for some Labour Party wanker's personal obsessions.

by hs - sp Mon Jul 07, 2003 19:34

yes I meant it that way, depends on your definition of fascist really, don't think there's any loyalist group calling for a corporate state just yet though. You can be nasty rascist and a mudering thug without having ever heard the term fascist. Still got to be scintific about this. We have the real deal here and they're very catholic too.

This sp aren't irish enough campaign is weird though. I thought pat c was normal before but he seems to have turned into a 15 year since I was last on the site. Muppetry really.

Indymedia politics is becoming quite similar too the tradgedy of italian politics now that is ridiculas.

by pat c Mon Jul 07, 2003 19:43

on other threads i disagreed with the sp idea of federation. thats not allowed apparently.

i have been abused by the sp for months because i wasnt involved in the PSEU action group led by their glorious leader Michael O'Brien. the sp claimed that the PSEU was moving to the left.

the PSEU have now appointed a cop as assistant general secretary!

the SP led PSEU group have done nothing to oppose this.

it is hs who is acting like a 15 yr old, he really thinks the sp are above criticism.

by hs - sp Mon Jul 07, 2003 19:56

I have no problem with you disageeing about federation, on the argentianian position i don't agree with the old militant line either. And lots of other things.

But every thread I go on I find you and the two anonomyos ones lashing out ridiculas abuse. At least you sign your name though.

As for the union thing, you say you were abused. Are you sure you weren't doing a littl?e abusing yourself. No one abused you on the federation thread,

by pat c Mon Jul 07, 2003 20:06

go back to the federation thread, i was called anti english, i hated english workers, i was crazy, i was a nationalist etc etc.

whenever the sp are losing an argument they are the ones who resort to abuse.

if the sp think the PSEU group was so important then they should explain why it did nothing to oppose the cop getting the job.

by pat c Mon Jul 07, 2003 20:07

prior to you raising my name i said nothing nasty about the sp on this thread.

by hs - sp Mon Jul 07, 2003 20:37

No you didn't say anything it was the great magneto. but theres been a few others and you can throw out abuse like the best of them. Still as I said at least you have the guts to sign your name unlike the other two,

by Kev - X-Men Mon Jul 07, 2003 21:39

relly i was just referring to a program i saw a couple of years back about some loyalists (i think they were LVF supporters), and some of them were showing off their White Power (you know the circled cross type thing) and swastika tattoos and saying how Hitler was great or something along those lines. It was quite a while back tho so its not too clear.

I have to say tho that i thought it was fucking hilarious when the Loyalists took down all the Israeli flags when the BNP delegation came over last year. At least i think thats true, I read it on indymedia, so who knows eh? But if certain sections of Loyalism are trying to build links with the BNP then that is scary. (as is Magneto's obsession with us)

Did Mosley even have guns?

(PS in the X-men Magneto always got his comeuppance, mind you was generally back every few month's with a new masterplan)