WMD FOUND IN IRAQ !

by Josef Sun Jun 01, 2003 19:50

The comment is from "Hayder"

by hayder Saturday May 31, 2003 at 10:54 AM

dear all
I may be the first iraqi to post here.
Iraq has been under occupation by saddam hussein al tikriti's regime since the 1970s. Saddam did not rule with an "iron fist" as one of the left wing luvvies here proclaimed in an attempt to belittle the KILLING FIELDS that iraq has become.
The war was a LIBERATION for the Iraqi people. Certainly its not a liberation for ALL the iraqi people, but you must understand that saddam did not misrule and kill alone, no he relied on the ethno-religious subgroup of sunni-arabs (yes the ones who riot against the americans today, in their strongholds "north and west of bagdhad"). so when you see such rioting try to understand what you're talking about for christ's sake!! read ONE damned book on iraq... stop repeating the same old buzzwords "war for oil" etc, rationalise your toughts and provide evidence to support you claims.
Now I can tell you that the american "trailer trash" GIs are completely clueless in iraq and don't give a flying f*ck for it, they think we're goat herders because there's no wallmart... but YOU the left are also IGNORANT of Iraq yourselves. You have proven in the run up to this war, during the war and in its aftermath how DETACHED you all are from the reality of Iraq. Look at robert fisk as an example. He's the hero of the left, but when the news in iraq is not to his liking he simpy did not file any reports in the period from mid april to mid may. The media and the left want to be objective do they? so why not report on ALL of iraq? including the south and north, rather than the "sunni-arab belt" that constitues such a SMALL percentage of the total population. where is your objectivity? or is it because that's where the "action" is happening?? if that is the case try to understand WHY the "action" is happening there and not in kerbele or erbil...
A brief lesson for the unitiated:
the way ethno-religions statistics are shown about iraq do not reflect the actual faultline in iraq. The situation is thus:
60% of the population is Shia arab (that's SHI'A not SHI'ITE!).
20% is Kurdish
5% are turcmen, mandaens, chaldean and assyrian
15% are sunni arab.
the ones who were saddam's police, soldiers, executioners, politicans, media faces, intelligence services were from this class. The sunni-arabs were the "ruling elite" but this was not achieved through education or a sophisticated elite, but by nepotism and brute force under tha baathis rule. Baathism is "Arab national Socialism" i.e. arab fascism. Since the arabs disdcrimnated against iraq's non-arab populations, and considered the shia to be "persians" (in effect alienating 85% of the population)
now that its destroyed, the 15% of UNDECUATED people (they are uneducated not because of any "genetic" fault, but because they NEVER needed to study or work hard, they got positions without knowing anything... so why the f*ck bother learning?) are losing their priveldged positions and their livelihoods (there won't be salaries paid to torture people or write reports on your neighbours...). So naturally they are using the DEMOCRATIC rights they denied to 85% OF THE IRAQi population to bit*h on about it endlessly... some are still in denial and hope saddam comes back, others are the fu*kwits from arab and muslim countries coming to iraq to make it into their "jihad playground" but they got a can of whoop-ass opened on them in the south/baghdad and kurdistan so now they're hiding out in the only place where they get refuge ... yes you know it the sunni-arab triangle. they can never come back to power, not because of teh americans but because their IDEOLOGY treats 85% of the population as an oppresed untermeschen.
try to think about iraq, speak with iraqis, even visit iraq and learn the truth.
the falluja "humans" will learn to accept the crimes of teh past, accet their EQUAL position in the new iraq, or they will win the darwin award 2003 and join fida'ee al-naghal saddam.
by the way the iraqi air force and the republican gurad forces command have both deployed DU equiped weapons since around 1981. doesn't ANY of teh left wing media types EVER bothers corroborating or RESEARCHING? you make yourself look like a bunch of chi*ps... but then again you are "arts" graduates...

by I Sun Jun 01, 2003 21:22

because you write like one

by Genyoo-ign Iraqee - OPEC Sun Jun 01, 2003 22:01 Ba'ath Party HQ, Baghdad.

None of my good muslim buddies would ever say "for christ's sake", for christ's sake. Nor do we use the term 'luvvies', because even some native anglophones don't know what that means. It seems to be part of the lexicon of indymedia. And references to metaphors drawn from the title of a book about vietnam known mostly in the west seem a little odd, for an Iraqi.

Can you tell me where exactly you live in Baghdad so we can meet up for a hubbly bubbly. [snigger]

by Josef Mengele here again Sun Jun 01, 2003 23:37

Many iraqi muslim shites are overjoyed at being 'liberated'. The destruction of our homes, hospitals, schools, water and electricity supplies is a small price to be paid, for 'liberation'. Yes soddem has tortured and imprisoned many leading religious shite muslim activists, we have suffered repression for so long, but now thanks to 'liberation', our homes, relatives and amenities are bombed to oblivion as well. Some shites are now out on the streets of bagdad protesting, for food, water, schools and electricity supplies and basic santitation to be reinstated by the liberators, who club footedly destroyed these in their rush to liberate us. Since you lovely yankys and brits love us so much to 'liberate' us, the least you can do is to fix everything you've destroyed in the 'liberation' process and I'm sure you don't mind forking out a few million of your kind taxpayers money to complete the 'liberation' process and rebuild Iraq. Thanx very much, for spending so much of your taxpayers money on the tonnage of military hardware and personnel that you've so kindly sent over to 'liberate' us in Iraq.

by Jossef mengele Sun Jun 01, 2003 23:45

Heartwarming to see that so much money has been wasted, opps i meant spent on the war in Iraq. Is it money well spent?, we see pictures of the rubble that once was baghdad and injured iraqi civillians and children, but Saddam is still on the loose, allowed to escape while as usual ordinary iraqis are the only ones suffering, in a war that was allegedly waged to free them from suffering at the hands of former Bush buddie Saddam. While at there are no WMD, and the all elusive al-ciaeda network pops up in the Bush backyard of Saudi arabia.

by Josef Mengele Mon Jun 02, 2003 09:21

Er, Tariq Aziz - Christian.

This Iraqi writer probably spent some time in the West and picked up luvvies from BBC or just about anywhere.

Megele, sorry but you're a bit ignorant of the Middle East.

by Genyoo-ign Iraqee - OPEC Mon Jun 02, 2003 11:54

'Now I can tell you that the american "trailer trash" GIs are completely clueless in iraq and don't give a flying f*ck for it, they think we're goat herders because there's no wallmart...'

OK. Look. I'll just take this one sentence. I refuse to analyse this whole thing because it's just so patently absurd.

You say he might have picked up 'luvvies' from the BBC. First off, there are no "Walmart's" in Britain. Nor, I strongly suspect, in Iraq. How would an Iraqi be so quick to drop that well-known ( to Americans ) brand name. 'Flying f*ck' seems like an unlikely usage. An Iraqi educated enough to use it would be unlikely to do so. "trailer trash" is an American colloquialism which is rarely even heard in these islands. The last thing a foreign speaker of English is going to learn is vernacular like that. 'Clueless' is another one. It's an Americanism which is only now crossing the Atlantic. Even the acronym GI for general infantryman is not, so far as I know, used formally outside the US. 'Troops,' or 'soldiers' would be more normal.

But more than any of these singles tropes, there is the whole tone in which the piece is couched. The sarcasm, the feistiness, the belligerence, the cruising for a bruising, the emphatic put-down; these are all American traits.

And can you really imagine Tariq Aziz saying "for christ's sake", for christ's sake. Of course, we all know that there's a small native christian population in Iraq, just as there are coptic Christians in Egypt, for example. But that's not the point. The culture as a whole is defined by the religion at its centre, and those who live there participate in that, just the same as Jews here give presents at Christmas. And no-one in the Arab world goes around saying "for Christ's sake." In a country where blasphemy is illegal, you don't even say "for Allah's sake."

And by the way, I signed the petition.