National demonstration at Shannon, Saturday, 21 June

by Raul Fri May 23, 2003 01:34

Well done! A great move. Every area should start organizing coaches immediately, get to Shannon on the 21st, and let Bertie know that we aren't going away till he stops his collaboration and restores Irish neutrality!

by Cleutus - Yokel Fri May 23, 2003 04:01

No U.S. troops stop over in Baldonnel.
A bit of homework will confirm this.
Leave our poor Air Corp alone.
The never bombed anyone,
well not on purpose anyway.

by SHANNON WORKER Fri May 23, 2003 06:59

SURE COME ON DOWN TO SHANNON AND HAVE YOUR LITTLE PROTEST,HAVE YOUR 'OPEN MIKE' AND YOUR MUSIC SESSION AFTERWARDS BUT TRY TO GET IT INTO YER THICK HEADS THAT YE ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING IN SHANNON. THE U.S. MILITARY WILL KEEP USING SHANNON AS A FUEL STOPOVER!!

by Durutti Fri May 23, 2003 09:51

And Domnic Haugh will defend any Airport Police who arrest or assault you.

by Andrew Fri May 23, 2003 12:41

This CAWC demonstration is a good idea and perhaps could be used to re-build a bit of trust and solidarity between the anti-war movements.

by Durutti Fri May 23, 2003 12:57

I hope you are right but I'm dubious. Only last week Haugh and other SPers repeated their line about Airport Police being blameless, workers being saints, DA being at the "wrong time". They are still giving out three different lies about why they would not lobby the ICTU Conference. The SWP are little different, they are just quieter on Indymedia

Haugh even lied about saying that the cops might fire into the crowd. Ray reposted Haughs original remarks and Haugh has been silent since. Lets not forget Roger the dodger of PANA, Labour, SF, Greens. I dont trust these people.

by airport rent-a-cop Fri May 23, 2003 14:45

>>I hope you are right but I'm dubious. Only last week Haugh and other SPers repeated their line about Airport Police being blameless<<

Airport Police are aware of what's going on and they are facilitating it, they also assaulted at least one person who was legally taking photographs at the airport, he was illegally bundled into a van and taken to a police station where his film was taken but he was not arrested or charged,

The airport police have nailed their colours to the mast, and it naive to suggest we should leave them alone and hope that they strike of their own accord.

they are a WILLING part of the problem.

by Dominic Haugh Fri May 23, 2003 19:36

I don't frequent this board anymore(I don't see the point). However, after hearing about a planned demonstration next month I was interested to see what was being planned.

I cannot let blatant slurs go unanswered.

Durutti insists that I lied about claiming police would fire into the crowd. I NEVER said that the Police or the Army would fire into the crowd. Produce a direct quotation to prove me wrong. The best that anyone has come up with was a reference about Abbeylara, that was misquoted and taken ot of context, when I was explaining that accidents can happen (some people read only what they want to read). Just because some people are frustrated with the failure of their demo does not entitle them to continue to use lies to blame others.

Durutti again lies about my attitude to the Airport Police. I will give a direct quotation from me on this board about the APO's.

"And Domnic Haugh will defend any Airport Police who arrest or assault you."

"The Airport Police are not, as has been suggested “Templemore rejects” or “pretend police”. Most if not all the APO’s in Shannon have worked in other jobs at the airport, baggage handling, ground services, mailroom etc. Like any other job the APO’s have a management structure. Most of the harassment that has been carried out has been by managers within the APO’s. Like any other job you will also have a small fraction of the workforce that will support management in their activities. To tarnish all APO’s with the one brush is a disgrace. I condemn any member of the Airport Police that engages in any action against demonstrators."

Durutti says "Only last week Haugh and other SPers repeated their line about Airport Police being blameless, workers being saints"

If a number of workers in a factory have their noses up the rear end of the bosses do you suggest that all the workers in that factory behave in the same fashion. Of course not.

by airport rent-a-cop Fri, May 23 2003, 1:45pm
But the APO's "are a WILLING part of the problem"

Yes, they are part of the problem, but it is very questionable how "willing" they are. The antics of some individuals in the anti-war movement(and particularly on this board) do not help to change the situation.

Lord Haugh Haugh
by Durutti Fri, May 23 2003, 8:51am

I think it is disgusting and absolutly disgraceful that anyone who would claim to have a socialist outlook would imply that a fellow socialist was fascist by association. It is a disgrace and you (and the others that have used this slur)should be ashamed of yourselves. Of all the insult that fly around this board (mostly from anonimous posters) a slur of this type on someones character is the worst.

Finally a brief word on the following "DA being at the "wrong time".

Direct Action is a correct and legitimate tactic, when used correctly. Neither I, nor the Socialist Party, holds the monopoly on whether any direct action proposal is correct at any particular time. However, if I feel that a mistake is being made then I have a responsibility to say so.

The DA on March 1st was not a failure because of the Socialist Party, IAWM or even Labour, Greens and SF. It failed because it was a bad idea at the time and even more importantly it makes it more difficult to use a similar tactic successfully in the future.

I have had my say. Goodbye

by Phuq Hedd Fri May 23, 2003 19:52

I don't give a damn at this stage about who said what. The only thing that's interesting is whether or not this initiative by the CAWC can yield a positive result in making sure that we stop the use of Shannon by foreign militaries, especially when they're conducting illegal assaults on other countries.
Please, to whoever is arguing with the SP: let it go, everyone involved has their own opinion about who was right/wrong. That is NOT what this thread is about (or should be about).

by Irony is dying Fri May 23, 2003 20:13

Good comments Phuq Hedd. Pity you didn't take them on board over the past few weeks. You contributed your fair share of bickering comments yourself.

by Durutti Sat May 24, 2003 19:01

You are fooling no one. Why did you mention Abbeylara if not to scare people into thinking the cops might open fire. Your defence of the Airport Cops is beneath contempt. I suppose you will be joining McDrools new part time Garda force?

by Magneto Sat May 24, 2003 19:23

Boring maybe. But The SP lies must be exposed. People like Haugh dont even deserve the title Socialist let alone Revolutionary.

by Tom Luby Sat May 24, 2003 19:29

The SP might be passing yer details on to the Airport Police. The way Domnic Haugh supports the Airport Police is more than just unhealthy. After the way Peter Haddenn shouted out the names of SWP members to the PSNI/RUC ye never know. Dont forget Tommy 'The Tout' Sheridan naming names of activists after the anti poll tax riots.

by Irony is dying Sat May 24, 2003 19:43

I do find it amusing that a hack from the Labour Party suggests that people from the SP are not socialist!!!!!!

by Magneto Sat May 24, 2003 20:06

Haugh supports cops against demonstrators. SP refuse to lobby ICTU conference, Joe Higgins denounces GNAW as they are being arrested by cops.

SP support Loyalist parades through catholic areas. SP called the SWP sectarian when they organised a counter picket at Harryville. SP refused to support naming a QUB bursary after Pat Finucane. SP then voted to name a bursary after a dead loyalist! SP supported having a British ARmy recruting stall at QUB.

SP leader Peter Hadden shouted out SWP members names in front of the PSNI. I vopuld go on but I dont want to miss the Eurovision.

by Magneto Sat May 24, 2003 20:11

This catches the SP out (Lord Haugh Haugh) lying about their role in the IAWM.

http://www.indymedia.ie/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=47473&start=140

by Irony is dying Sat May 24, 2003 20:17

For the benefit of "Magento"

Several Coalition Governments

Tax amnesties for the super rich

accepting donations from banks and then cutting bank taxes

signing agreements with Maggie Thatcher

Supporting Tony Blair

Supporting the Nice Treaty

Closing hospitals

cutting corporation tax

supporting war with UN sanction

Have I missed anything??????????

by Dublin activist - IAWM Sun May 25, 2003 00:29

Glad to see this happening! See you there!

by Justin Morahan Sun May 25, 2003 03:46

You must be on to a really good idea when it has restarted the (phoney?) bickering about the SP, Labour Party etc etc ad nauseam.
If these are not enemies within the gates they might as well be - they are doing their level best to collar every excellent new idea that is proposed and use it as a pretext for yet another boring (pretend?) slanging match.
I hope you see through the ruse and go ahead with your non-violent protest at Shannon. And I hope it is a resounding success.
The UN may be usurped, Iraq may have been bought, our integrity may have been sold out, but as long as people like you are willing to spend time and sweat on what you believe to be right, all is not lost.
More power to you.

by Tim Sun May 25, 2003 13:50

Hope to see loads of folks on the day.

by Ant - Dublin GNAW (personal capacity) Sun May 25, 2003 20:11

I'm glad that Cork have called this demonstration.

Personally, I had been getting tired of traipsing down to Shannon every few weeks or so. It's not my ideal way of spending my one day off each week. However, it's been 6 weeks since I was last down there and the break has done me good.

I wholeheartedly agree that we should make the effort to keep up the pressure on the use of Shannon by the US military. Ideally, we would have a demonstration there every two months or so. June 21st fits in very nicely between now and the planned IAWM demos in August. I just hope that other people feel similarly re-energised and that we get a decent turn-out on the day.

by pat c Mon May 26, 2003 10:12

I'm also glad to see Cork take the initiative here. Theres little point in continuing the old fight at this stage. People are clear on the respective positions of SP, SWP, GNAW Wsm etc.

While Domnic Haugh is a SP propagandist and too much in love with the airport police;(on reflection)it is really going a bit far to call him Lord Haugh Haugh.

This is a pun on Lord Haw Haw. Haw Haw wasnt just a Nazi broadcaster. He had also been a leading member of Mosleys Blackshirts and after he split with Mosley set up a rival Fascist group. So a bit of proportion here comrades.

by pat c Wed May 28, 2003 17:32

S.O.S. – Solstice Over Shannon

PRESS RELEASE (one page)

Date: 27th May, 2003

SUBJECT: Major festival to take place at Shannon on June 21st, 2003

Hundreds of people from across the country are expected to attend a huge festival that is being planned for the solstice (21st June, 2003) at Shannon Airport.

There have been a number of anti-war protests at Shannon over the winter. This event will be something quite different. Rather than allowing U.S./U.K. warmongers to push us to react and focus on what we DON’T want, S.O.S. will be an opportunity to focus on what we DO want (ie. peace, love, music, beauty, truth, understanding and diversity, etc.). S.O.S. will allow people who might not normally get involved in political events to party for a cause. It will be an all day event with roots reggae, courtesy of Revelation Sound and a second sound system provided by the Protest and Play Collective and featuring DJs Fiasco and Classic Eugene. We also hope to have free vegan food courtesy of Food not Bombs, a drumming circle, and plenty of activities for children, including face painting and balloon animals, etc. We will also be launching Cork’s new “Green Garage”, which aims to assist interested parties in converting their vehicles over from diesel to bio-diesel.

S.O.S. is brought to you by the same team who organised last summer’s highly successful “Diversity Day” event in Cork. This event will have similar multi-cultural, multi-lingual and environmental themes. All are encouraged to attend. It should be a very special day.

Reclaim the Skies!

The only firepower we want over Shannon is the Sun!

S.O.S. spokesperson, Nico, said:
“The message we want to send to the youth is that unity means more than just not passing racist comments. Sometimes it means standing up to your own government when they want to participate in the slaughter of our brothers and sisters in the Middle East. But we must always take it to the next level: instead of reacting in anger, we will raise it up – raise consciousness, raise awareness, raise spirits, and create, for one day at least, the kind of world we want to live in.”

Further information: Nico (021) 454-1455.