Indymedia banned from Google.

by R Isible Tue May 20, 2003 04:31

Because indymedia has been on-and-off of google several times now. As, indeed has infoshop: http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=03/04/08/5246114
whose users retaliated with quite a large and effective campaign.

There's some interesting discussion of how indymedia.ie was NOT banned at portland-imc:

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They've removed Indymedia before, only to put it back. For a while, I noticed that they were only posting Ireland and SF Indymedia, presumably because those two cites have more exercise of editorial policy, including the removal of outright hate speech and links to holocaust denier folks and such.

While it's not a huge loss if Google doesn't index Indymedia, pushing them to list is still worth the effort.
which is worse? 09.May.2003 22:45
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by bluebonnet Tue May 20, 2003 04:37

over 400 news items and references that can be found on numerous Indymedia sites worldwide. Just performed a search. The list included items dated through May 16, 2003.

by kokomero Tue May 20, 2003 09:45

The above post is incorrect.

by Anonymous Tue May 20, 2003 10:10

If you do a search for "news" in Google, and then search within the results for "indymedia", the first article you come to is about CNN banning the word indymedia from its chatrooms. Unacceptable advertising been given as the reason:-

"Yes, CNN has banned the word "indymedia" from its chat room, according to Edna Johnson, a representative for the company. But that's because Indymedia fans were spamming other people in the chat rooms, constantly telling chatters that they should get their news from the independent site."

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,48058,00.html

Related indymedia article:-

http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=79356

Also when you search within the results of "news" - shouldn't indymedia sites appear, rather than stories realting to indymedia? - hence suggesting the google ban of indymedia is true?

by Jason Grehan Tue May 20, 2003 12:07 jasongrehan at yahoo dot com

Maybe when you establish your Communist state you can have it any way you like. In the meantime, private organisations like google and CNN have no obligation to host you and your muck.

by Albo Tue May 20, 2003 12:29

They're supposed to be professionals. They are supposed to be serving the public in an objective unbiased manner like they are trusted to do.

by TheIdiotsAreTakingOver Tue May 20, 2003 12:42

'muck'. :D

by quoting Tue May 20, 2003 12:56

as does information.
as do you
google goo goo.

by roo poo Tue May 20, 2003 13:02

does anyone actually believe a media monster like CNN is going to give support independant newsgroups like indymedia?? Lucky they dont hunt down people using the forbiddin word and sue them...

by revisionist Tue May 20, 2003 14:07

you reds are no fans of free speech and this is what you get.

you didnt bitch when google banned Irving's site and others in continental europe
the far left should talk to the far right about bringing down zog in the interests of everyone.

Of course politics is over yer heads

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by - Tue May 20, 2003 15:20

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by Daithi Tue May 20, 2003 15:24

A bit of perspective here..it's not a ban from Google, it's related to Google News (that possibly explains the two different figures quoted). Google tend to blow hot and cold regarding what they index in the News sub-service...as can be seen by the Infoshop stuff etc. Someone emailed Google to ask them to include indymedia Ireland in their searches a while back, and they did. Then they took off a lot of non-traditional news sites, and put some back on, and then removed, and Lanigan's Ball continued. it's useful to have IMC IE showing up in that sort of search, as it did, but I strongly oppose it at present, as the Google system continues to link to deleted articles even if deleted within seconds of posting (everything from crossposts to really hardcore racial and religious abuse, not to mention stuff that's moved around on the wire), and only picks up certain articles (I think it crawls at certain times and just hits the first few stories), and also lists stories from the wire here like they are from the New York Times - this is bad because (a) we're not trying to be the Times, (b) "Indymedia" doesn't write or take responsibility for newswire stories - features, yes, newswire, no. Perhaps a global 'Indymedia search engine' would be a useful project, somewhere down the line. But for the moment I'm personally glad that Google took fright at allowing dissent onto their searches, if that's what they did. It's their ball and they can play with it any way they want.

by bluebonnet Wed May 21, 2003 00:05

Daithi said:
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Kokomero is correct in the broad sense of doing a search at google.com. When you enter the term 'Indymedia' on the basic home page, a search will result in 1,600,000 hits.

Enter the term 'Indymedia News' (this includes placing the term in quotations) and do a simple search on the google home page. The result is 211,000 hits. These hits include the home pages of Indymedia web sites worldwide.

I previously had gone to the NEWS subdivision of google.com and did a search using the term 'Indymedia', since the initial subject of this thread was about Google News deleting Indymedia sites as a source for news.

Thanks.

by Slider Wed May 21, 2003 01:19

Thats a shame. I would sure miss my favorite neo Nazi web site if anything happenned to IMC. Where would I turn for so up to date Jew hatred?

by STOP NYC Inc. Thu May 22, 2003 01:26

...I've got one for you!:

by BrIaN Thu May 22, 2003 03:02

well, there is an increasing amount of jews who criticize Israels actions like the above guys at

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

Here is another admirable group who call themselves jews for justice in the middle east.

http://www.nimn.org

they give wonderful breakdowns of the history of the conflict from intelligent jewish perspectives worldwide.

This is a story that they gave a link to that i found equally angering and moving.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/47/story_4715_1.html

by R Isible Fri May 23, 2003 17:42

in which they point out that it's Google News and talk about censorship and Open Publishing vs. Free Speech.