Are Protestors Terrorists?

by gargoyle Thu Apr 24, 2003 14:25

"orchestrated by radical extremists groups, clearly terrorising society."

So the message is clear. Keep the protests peaceful. Don't destroy things. Don't threaten police or uniformed service members. Don't attack people or burn things.

Unfortunately, some protesters have a problem with these comcepts.

by Jim Monaghan Thu Apr 24, 2003 14:50

According to the unlamented Thatcher Nelson Mandela was a terrorist. The banning of the Basque Nationalist Party Herri Batasuna is an attack on democratic rights. Whether people like them or not they were elected.
Hitler got his majority by getting the Communist Party banned. With their elimination he had a majority. (He never won a free election).
There are many here who would love to ban Sinn Fein.
They usually start with an unpopular minority and work on from there. If an excuse is not provided one can be created.Look at the over the top demands that the Greens denounce the Sahhnon events.
Jim M

by damnbutter Thu Apr 24, 2003 14:54

Keep to your designated sheep pens miles away from your rulers.

Do not even look cross ways at the phalanx of armoured cops

Be prepared to be attacked with dogs, batons, pepper spray, gas, rubber/plastic bullets, water cannon, stun guns.

Do not expect your legal attackers to be identified by any number, or for their faces to be unmasked (don't even think about masking yourself!)

Be prepared for arrest following beating for "violence"

Be prepared for trial by media

Unfortunately some bystanders do not have a problem with these concepts

by TheIdiotsAreTakingOver Thu Apr 24, 2003 15:04

different situations call for different types of actions, but the problem here is that there are some serious moves to crushing all dissent and protest. this is very worrying stuff.

the problem with the anti-capitalist/anti-globalisation protests so far is that firstly, not everyone can afford or is willing to travel the world to engage in these actions. since (and before) Seattle, I think they have been very important--- and, whatever has happened so far, the term 'terrorism' is surely wrong ---but as governments begin to clamp down and illegalise these protests, more effort must go into bringing 'anti-capitalism'/'anti-globalization' into our localities and communities. 'Terrorism', as I understand it, is a method which seeks to 'terrorise' society; the anti-capitalist movement, and particularly its anarchist and anarchistic players, are there to strengthen society against state and corporate elites.

Unfortunately, because most people only know about this movement through the corporate and state media, this movement is--- obviously, I suppose ---subject to misrepresentation. the only solution to this, as far as I can tell, is to bring the movement home, to use the broad alliance of groups involved to begin creating visible community-serving, society-strengthening alternatives: not for any alterior motives, I should point out, it is--- it should be ---an end in itself.

Anarchists potentially have the most to contribute to this task, and except for those solely seeking to build their parties or 'convert' people, I think they may have many allies should the immediate goals and long-term aspirations be made clear and open. Role on the Irish Social Forum.

by Joe Thu Apr 24, 2003 15:20

They will probably allow you to continue to talk about the fence and even write about the fence. If you like you can even chant about the fence. Just don't go near it.

If you accept and even promote this clear dividing line then you'll be OK. So there is no real danger here for the Irish Green Party or for most of the Irish left. The government are merely confiming the divisions you have already drawn.

They don't want to take away your megaphone or your stewards bibs. They understand that allowing people a little space to let off steam works much better then trying to outlaw dissent.

Just stay away from the fence.

OK.

by Precision Man Thu Apr 24, 2003 17:15

= I don't think Iosaf's "habit of filling the newswire with personal musings which are incomprehensible to anybody else." are in any way counter productive.

= I also find most of them to be reasonably comprehensible.

= His self-liberation from "grammar, layout and sequential reasoning" is a perfectly legitimate style of self expression

by Phuq Hedd Thu Apr 24, 2003 17:42

This same piece of "news" occurs two pages down the newswire here: http://www.indymedia.ie/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=44632&start=20

Why so far down you ask?

Ah, it's because a small number of people using indymedia are happy to post whatever they feel like without regard for the rest of the community.

Thanks Deirdre.

by author name (required) Fri Apr 25, 2003 14:48

Deirdre as far as I know has never posted before on IMC IRL - so maybe she didn't realise this. PPL in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

by Penny Sat Apr 26, 2003 17:58

In Dodgson's book, "Alice in Wonderland" was a wonderful hookah smoking caterpillar who informed Alice that "The word means what I say it does. No more and no less." Mainstream politicians are wildly re-defining the term "terrorist". Even the vandalising, hate-shouting types of demonstrators (which can be as often right-wing as left) aren't really any more than an irritation. But if they were to attempt to formulate laws against people being irritating little vandals they'd be laughed at by everybody.

And these absurd laws they're bringing up should be receiving the same treatment.

by aunty eu Sat Apr 26, 2003 22:09

the sooner many people wake up to what the empire in waiting has in mind for them the better, if it is not too late for most of us by then.

by har de har. Mon Sep 29, 2003 22:11

more golden rules:
if there are more wires on your telephone than is strictly neccesary then you get cross inteference.

if you have a cactus on your PC you're brainwashed.

if you use a false name on your email, you're fooling no-one.

if you live in a State you are:
counted.
analysed.
billed.
debted.
charged.
weighed.
and either "datamined" or "stripsearched".
if you haven't been stripsearched yet, chances
are you have been verily datamined instead.

by rightously indignant Mon Sep 29, 2003 22:14

you can be damn effin sure hippy trippy's are going to be on "tender feet".

Thank you Sister "goodytwoshoes" for your help & ASSISTANCE.

oh yes, officer I ate the evidence.

by in power. Mon Sep 29, 2003 22:17

point on wall.

not a fucking screed.
not a fucking screed.
not a fucking screed.

it's up to you if you nod or smile coz it doesn't really help at that stage.

by by on the long long list. Mon Sep 29, 2003 22:19

like aren't they wondering.

by agent smith "to the power of N" - dotting eyes and slashing tees Wed Apr 21, 2004 18:01

and would like to highlight the previous comments, and add that precious 101 can not be turned off, and that Proudhon could be updated thus:-

If you live under a "big government"
you are cloned, brainwashed, divided, manipulated, drugged, syntheticised and reduced to very poor monkey status.

You really deserve better.
agent smith agrees.
It's nice to be back on the "wire" after that slight of stalemate feigning.

V.
hasta la victoria.
on the beaches.
in the air.
wherever we find them.
we will fight on till the victory of our humanity and guarantee the stewardship of our garden which is sometimes thought of as a little blue planet. Venus looks the same.

Listening tip:-
The Orb.
anonymous doctors of linguistics and musicology of Hogworts college Cambridge late 1980s "ultra world probe seven""into the fourth dimension", distributed by "Big Life"
first issued 1991 by Wau! and Mr Modo.
short reference to Voyager and the really disturbing message which came back one night in the late 1980s.

How did you expect it was going to be?
Nice president being friendly on the lawn or thieving traitor bastards trying to cut a deal to save their oh so terribly superior and worthy asses?
Gets them every time.

Now we all got a problem to solve, and if you've got it, cool, if not, then I'm schizo and did too many rave parties and drugs and too much velvet underground and just happen to have access to restriced info which I regularly share with you for some reason.

Humanity and the Garden are the key words.
Coz you aint got no photon torpedoes.

good to see/hear/sense that everyone is on side. So Less petrol burning and cat abusing and chipping dogs and doing those naughty monkey things, and less Saudi and less Bull Worship. We can all do this properly with just as much manipulation and so as usual, just along as we all get the point that our differences really are very irrelevant to the planetary problems in hand, oh and that we can count on very nice pals, but some look very scary which is why most of the previous interlocutors (the fish tank brigade) ended up fried.
Blue Bells of the Guardian!
cheerz.

by Sayful Islam Thu Apr 22, 2004 01:55

It's a short step from smashing windows and burning cars to planting explosives. There have been many anti-capitalist terror gangs such as Red Army faction, Baader Meinhof, November 17 and there is currently a Communist terrorism campaign in India.

I've got to say, Marxism is an evil creed that thrives on hatred and envy.