Forget our War Crimes, Here's a 'Victory'

by js Wed Apr 09, 2003 18:16

I presume you can provide evidence to back yourself up in? Not that I am saying that this does not go on, but this appears more like opinion rather that fac. Factual reporting woul dbe nice.

by King Mob Wed Apr 09, 2003 18:31

Who needs the Iraqi regime when we have Ireland's own version of Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf right here on Indymedia.....

Except Mohammed is amusing, and has a little more integrity.

by James McKenna Wed Apr 09, 2003 19:35

Factually speaking:

I counted 380 from FOX TV live footage of " the crowds" in Tahrir Square. Most of these were journalists or soldiers. Where are the other 5,000,000 liberated Iraqis?

How can this be reported as "crowds dancing in the streets"?

by Lone gunman Wed Apr 09, 2003 20:12

It is a Bush,Blair,Aherne,CIA,DEA,FBI MI5,MI6,USMC,USAF,USA,GB,PSYOPS ,Facist trick done with mirrors and computor graphics.Jeez i wonder how Steven speilberg is being paid for this?If you belive those pics are faked,I own a long tall spire in O Connell St Dublin that I would like to sell to you......

by Phuq Hedd Wed Apr 09, 2003 20:25

He points to the disparity between the obviously highly spun claims of jubilant Iraqis welcoming the victors and the actual visual evidence provided. He says that he counted 380 people in a small square. If you "Lone Gunman" or "King Mob" want to challenge this then you have to point to evidence that shows millions of grateful Iraqis.

Save your hysteria for the dead civilians or for the war-crimes committed by the US/K (thanks again iosaf!) who have targetted the water and electricity supplies in contravention of international law.

James puts spin on things, but he does use facts. You don't.

by James McKenna Wed Apr 09, 2003 22:01

I am in fact trying to take the spin off this story.

The scenes in Tahir Sq were mostly manipulated for RTE and others so it seemed like a big crowd. From a greater distance it was possible to roughly count the crowd which I honestly attempted. I first estimated about 500 but as I counted more closely I came up with 380 but I'm no pope so this could be out by a couple of dozen maybe.

There were pictures of passing Iraqi waving from their cars to the TV cameras, which is not unusual in Iraq. There were a couple of young guys saying "down Saddam" and an old guy beating a picture of Saddam into strips. These images were repeated ad nauseum to give the "spin" that there was a bigger crowd.

Soldiers did not hang around in the Square and they were running for cover into hotels and banks to do their "interviews from the heart of the regime".

It's amazing how RTE vaunted this as "jubilant crowds" when they could sideline the protests we have held here against the war .

Did anyone hear the Dublin march of over 100,000 being called jubiant crowds calling for regime change?

Joe Duffy ended his show today with a woman reading from Isiah about a beast who lays the world to waste with war and does not even listen to his own people. It was meant to refer to Saddam but I think she perfectly described George Bush.

Did you ask her was she wearing her scapula Joe? Was Father Fortune wearing his when he jubilantly ......

I have no agenda to protect Saddam or his government but I do take an interest if my national broadcaster whose duty it is to relay the news faithfully to the Irish people starts to act in a very peculair fashion.

by Michael Gaughan Wed Apr 09, 2003 22:27

Remember the Belfast nationalist women making tea for the British troops in 1969?