Kerry Colour Party for Liam Lynch event

by pat c Mon Apr 07, 2003 10:22

but fit for all that. i had to trot* after him recently to give him a flyer.

*unfortunate word.

by pat c Mon Apr 07, 2003 13:06

it was about a meeting i thought he would be interested in.

Dublin Public Meeting 'Who are you calling a terrorist' ?

A public meeting sponsored by Fourthwrite magazine and Working Class Action to
highlight the implementation of repressive legislation in Ireland and Britain.
Reject implementation of repressive legislation!!

Saturday 12th April 2003, 2pm - 4pm @ Wynns Hotel, Middle Abbey street
Dublin 1, Ireland (off O' Connell st)

Speakers include:

Ivana Bacik, law lecturer and civil rights lawyer,
Bernadette McAliskey,
Raurí O' Driscoll

Organised by Fourthwrite and Working Class Action.

Contact Fourthwrite at:

E Mail: webmaster@fourthwrite.ie or Web: http://www.fourthwrite.ie/

PO Box 31, Belfast BT127EE

or TELELPHONE:

07985173698 (from N. Ireland);

00447985173698 (from S. Ireland)

by Hilda Robinson Mon Apr 07, 2003 18:03

RSF are living in the past. I know that history is important, but surely ye should be interested in what's going on in Iraq? RSF, and SF, have been half-arsed when it came to the Anti-war demos. It reflects their lack of politics. In reality they are supporters of war in Iriaq, they take money off big business in the USA- the very people fighting this war.

RSF belong to the past, that's where they are living and where all their members are. (the funny thing is if half these armchair soldiers were given a gun to 'liberate' Ireland they wouls shit themselves)

by Ailin Mon Apr 07, 2003 18:53

ROB was born in 1935 so that makes him 68

by pat c Mon Apr 07, 2003 19:51

Forgive me, hes been around for so long, I thought he was at least 70!

Hes still a sprightly 68 yr old.

by Cat P Mon Apr 07, 2003 23:11

Pat C has still not criticised SF for meeting Bush. He has still not criticised them for taking money off american big business (ie US Imperialism)

by pat c Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:54

you even get associated thread ;)

I am honoured!
by pat c Tue, Apr 8 2003, 9:20am

Once again my views are in demand! Well if you had done a more thorough search you would have fopund the following. (How about the column, Justin?)

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by pat c Mon, Apr 7 2003, 9:37am

sorry for delay in replying, i generally take a break from indy at weekends. too busy with non-virtual actions.

yes, i do think SF are wrong to meet with Bush & Blair at this time.

This gives Bush & Blair an opportunity to present themselves as peacemakers. SF could have disrupterd this by refusing to attend the meeting. In those circumstances the SDLP would also have been embarassed into a boycott.

at present the abscence of the DUP from the talks would merely have turned it into The Tempest without Caliban; but a SF snub would make it Hamlet without the Prince.

I appreciate that SF will be protesting outside and giving a letter of protest inside; but they are handing a propaganda coup to BUsh & Blair.

They will be presented to the World Media as Peacemakers.

'GHQ' Document
by pat c Mon, Apr 7 2003, 9:45am

No idea if any of the people named hold the positions alleged. But one thing needs to clarified.

Slab is certainly not a "Millionaire Smuggler".

He may well (allegedly) have raised millions for the Republican Movement through smuggling activities.

Will Pat C comment on the donations?
by Hilda Robinson Mon, Apr 7 2003, 11:14am

Will Pat please make his opinions known on the donations detailed above. In my opinion, I've no problem with a party getting donations off their members, including substantial dontations from salary of their TDs, MPs, etc.

However to get donations off US big business is particularly sick in SF's case as they claim to be anti-imperialist. These companies are the people who have funded Buch et al, they are the people togain from the war on Iraq.

Pat C will you please comment.

fair dues to them!
by pat c Mon, Apr 7 2003, 6:54pm

if sf can con big business into giving them donations then more power to them.

but i think the truth of the matter is that the donations are collected in much smaller amounts.

gee, do i detect some envy on the part of some people?

btw
by pat c Mon, Apr 7 2003, 6:57pm

Justin

Seeing as my opinion on SF matters is so much in demand perhaps you give me a column in An Phoblacht?

Normal NUJ freelance rates natctch.

Pat

Pay?
by Justin Moran - Sinn Fein Tue, Apr 8 2003, 10:04am
maigh_nuad@yahoo.com

You want to be paid for writing for APRN? Madness. When I was a sub-editor there my pay for an eight hour shift until 10pm was a Chinese. Not a bad Chinese mind you, but a Chinese. We could pay you in coupons redeemable when the republic is set up?

C'mon pat
by Chekov Tue, Apr 8 2003, 10:07am

"if sf can con big business into giving them donations then more power to them."

Would you say the same about FF? Remember these are transactions, not donations. Something is being bought and sold and business expects its return on investment, just like with all investments. It's no coincidence that when Liam Cosgrave says "yes I got donations but no they didn't influence my rezoning votes", nobody believes him.

I'm not suggesting that SF are getting significant donations from big business, I don't have a clue where their cash comes from, just pointing out that Pat's line looks very much like double standards.

Also, Justin, when people start throwing the 'middle class' slander against the SWP et al, it generally means that they have run out of arguments.

Not out of arguments
by Justin Moran - Sinn Fein Tue, Apr 8 2003, 10:17am
maigh_nuad@yahoo.com

...more looking to start a row. I'll happily debate the issue, or any issue, with people who don't lapse into wanton sectarianism or childish name-calling. I don't get to see a lot of debate on Indymedia.

Out of curiosity, what American foreign policy initiatives has Sinn Féin backed in exchange for all this money? None of which comes from the American Government.

chekov
by pat c Tue, Apr 8 2003, 10:42am

note that in my reply i said i believed the payments didnt come in large amounts from big business. it would mostly be collected in smaller amounts.

some big business types would certainly block book tables at SF fundraisers but i dont really think it is rational to believe this will make sf more amenable to supporting these companies rights to keep unions out of their plants in ireland.

i was asked the question to try and find grounds to attack me no matter what my answer. i did not put a lot of deep thought into it. i find these peoples obsession with my opinions on SF quite entertaining.

(NB Chekovs subsequent query is valid & is not a snide attack IMHO)

i dont believe that SF as a party represents the interests of big business. i also know that there are a lot of genuine socialists inside of SF.

I think they would be better off elswwhere but i have more in common with them then i will ever have with orangephile "trotskyists".

having said that, i think sf as an organisation is settling into the political mainstream, to the left of labour, but firmly in the bourgeois fold.