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The Liberation of Safwan

category national | miscellaneous | news report author Friday March 21, 2003 16:04author by Good News Report this post to the editors

Not really the monsters you morons think. Discuss. customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/WAR_RDP?SITE= CODEN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT (copy and paste link)

As respite from your prefunctory dark pessimism regarding the motives of the US in Iraq and how ordinary Iraqis feel about their arrival, have a read through the following paragraphs lifted from AP stories:

Waving Iraqi civilians greeted members of the 1st Marine Division as they entered the town of Safwan. Using winch chains, some of the troops hauled down giant portraits of Saddam overlooking a street.

"We're very happy... Saddam Hussein is a butcher," said a man in the back of a pickup truck, identifying himself only as Abdullah. A woman fell at the feet of the Americans and embraced them, touching their knees.

Maj. David "Bull" Gurfein, pumping his fist in the air, led a milling crowd of citizens in chants of "Iraqis, Iraqis, Iraqis!" A young man in a headscarf told Gurfein: "No Saddam Hussein. Bush!"

See? And no innocents killed either. Now kids, try to think of REAL criticisms of these stories, the usual sneers and tantrums will just hop off.

author by Gordonpublication date Fri Mar 21, 2003 16:23author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Any mention of these jarheads telling the locals 'We're only hear for the oil! This is actually an illegal invasion! We trampled on the rights of irish citizens on our way here!'???

I didn't think so. Stop the war!

author by Avi H.publication date Fri Mar 21, 2003 16:30author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You tell em. You are just so right. The anti-War people are getting/going to get so much egg on their faces...

author by the watchmanpublication date Fri Mar 21, 2003 16:36author address author phone Report this post to the editors

What is the current state of "democracy" in Kuwait after its "liberation" in the last Gulf War and why were all UK citizens advised to leave it by their Foreign Ministry a few days ago ... ?

author by Andrewpublication date Fri Mar 21, 2003 16:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"But in Safwan, just across the Kuwait border, Iraqis watched and in some cases helped as U.S. Marines rigged chains to giant portraits of the Iraqi president and tore them down. Townspeople mostly hid from the occupying force. Some patted their stomach to beg for food."

Now its ardly any secret that Saddam is not popular, particularly in the south but the actual AP report doesn't quite sound like the 'cheering crowds greeting their liberators' that Bush and Blair need. Never mind I'm sure they have people on the ground working to manufacture such a spectacle.

Seriously it would be amazing if they fail to do this, particularly in the south and the north. It's worth remembering that the arrival of British troops in northern Ireland in 1969 was initally welcomed by almost everyone (even the SWP reckoned they provided a breathing space). It didn't take long for that to change once people realised they were not there to liberate them but to control them. Expect the same process in Iraq, its already underway in Afghanistan.

author by the watchmanpublication date Fri Mar 21, 2003 16:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Don't forget that many Ukranians welcomed the Nazi Wehrmacht as liberators from Stalin's tyranny ....

It's a fact in the Library of Congress .....

author by Sargent Beefy bulldogpublication date Fri Mar 21, 2003 16:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The few peasant towel heads actually congratulated us, mistakenly thinking that we'd come to 'liberate them', yeah did we make them eat their words. It's great out here in the Iraq, but telling the difference between friendly iraqis and soddem's soldier guards is very difficult with gas masks on, so we just have to slaughter the lot. So sleep safe and sound lickle army wives, while I'm away in Iraq butchering all around me, count your blessings, at least I'm not back in britain beating you up.

author by Mrs. Beefy Bullbitchpublication date Fri Mar 21, 2003 17:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I do hope you're behaving yourself and I'm so lookin forward to havin you back home ....

I hope you will treat me good and proper like those nice American boys look after their gals ...

http://endabuse.org/newsflash/index.php3?Search=Article&NewsFlashID=387

author by Sargent Beefy bulldogpublication date Fri Mar 21, 2003 17:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors

'fighting in Iraq is a bit like making love to a beautiful woman', and anything with a pulse that isn't our dreary ugly fat hefers of army wives.

author by Sargent Beefy bulldogpublication date Fri Mar 21, 2003 17:09author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Well now, girlies if it's good enough behaviour for Peter Robinson, it's good enough for me.

author by LordFlashpublication date Fri Mar 21, 2003 17:25author address author phone Report this post to the editors

,... oh wait I was looking at another set of comments.
Grow up people, those last few comments are a great example of what brings independent media sites down in the publics eyes.

author by silopublication date Fri Mar 21, 2003 18:08author address author phone Report this post to the editors

So all cheering of 'liberating' soldiers is genuine?

There's a chapter of Catch-22 where one of the characters, a young US soldier stationed in Italy in World War II, is arguing with an old Italian man. The idealistic soldier is disappointed that the old man has complained about the Americans. 'But you cheered us on the streets when we came into the town!' says the soldier. 'Yes. I cheered the Fascists, too. And the Communists. and the Germans. And now I'm still alive!' says the old man.

author by Good Newspublication date Fri Mar 21, 2003 18:19author address author phone Report this post to the editors

While I'm busy 'not fogetting' that the Ukrainians welcomed the Nazis, perhaps you could not forget that the standard thinking on this site is that the Americans are invading Iraq in order to do the bidding of the Jews. Jews and Nazis at the same time? That'd be some trick.

The equation of Saddam with Stalin is also salutory. Hence the soft-pedalling of Husseins atrocities and all the emphasis on the innocents the Americans are supposedly going to kill?

I take it you'll organise a march to place the people of Iraq back under the hell of Saddam as soon as the Americans have freed them?

author by the watchmanpublication date Fri Mar 21, 2003 19:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Not necessary for me to do anything Mr. Good News.
The Americans will install a new tyrant who will do their bidding.

You might be a little bit too young to have followed Saddam's career and his sponsors like Mrs. Thatcher and Ronald Reagan ...

And by the way you never answered my question about Kuwait .....
But it seems that none of you gung-ho flag-waving armchair generals are too well informed about the first Gulf War under Bush Senior ... and the "liberation" of Kuwait ......

Might like to try a bit of research on that one and tell me how "democratic" is Kuwait today a decade later ......

BY THEIR FRUITS SHALL YE KNOW THEM
as a famous inhabitant of Palestine once said ....

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