Ross Higgins, UCDSU Deputy President, makes slur remarks about Working Class.

by anon - anon Mon Feb 24, 2003 18:43 w at w dot ie anon anon

I am shocked at this and I hear that he is running for the Equality position........em someone must stop him!

by FG hater Mon Feb 24, 2003 21:05

If you can try to get motions passed at your SU councils to mandate your Colleges delegates not to vote for him. This man has to be stopped he is lazy, a careerist and elitist.

by A class of my own Mon Feb 24, 2003 21:28

Everyone who's not on the dole? People with certain accents? poor people? Those who buy the Sun and other idiot tabloids? do you need to do manual work to be working class? do you have to be a worker, working in a factory for the big bad boss. how about if you are a tradesman working for himself.

maybe there's no working class left in ireland - only in indonesia.

maybe the whole idea of class is best left behind with industrialism. maybe everybody is a unique individual and focussing on generalisations is just divisive.

the cult of marx was fine for the 19th century factories. but those days are gone.

by Oisin Kelly - UCDSU Education Vice President elect - SP Mon Feb 24, 2003 23:59

I know I'm a bit off the original topic: in my book the working class are all those that do not own the means of production, and must sell their labour to make a living.

The working class do not have to wear cloth caps and work in factories or down coalmines! In my book some-one with a law degree working in a large law firm where they are selling their labour to earn a living, and they do not own the means of production, is a member of the working class.

People saying that the "Working Class" is dead are wrong. These people think that the definition of working class are restricted to manual workers, when in reality Marxists say that all those selling their labour are members of the working class. These people also probably think that people with sattelite TV are not working class, if these people were around 100 years ago they would say that people with inside toilets were not workers!!

Class is not determined by income, it is determined by relationship to the means of production.

by Gaillimhed Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:52

One of the greatest triumphs of the elite was convincing the working class that they were securely middle class, with university educations and accents, nice cars and consumer goods. But all that crap doesnt matter, it was given and can be as easily taken away when it becomes politically expedient once more. If you dont control production then you are a wage slave. it hasnt changed much in essence since Dickens' time, except that now people naively believe that because they are affluent (for the moment) that they are not 'working' class.

by Ger Tue Feb 25, 2003 14:44

Id consider anyone privaely Educated, and with a fortune to inherit, driving a car while still in college to be working class as well!

by Ger Tue Feb 25, 2003 17:14

Driving a car does not disqualify one from being working class.

Having a small bit of personal wealth does not either. It does definitly effect ones consciouness however as was said above ones wealth alone does not determine class what determines class id whether one owns the means of production.

I would not call someone that has grown up on a small farm working class. They may be worse off than most workers they may get grants and social welfare but they own their means of production and they would be peasants.

One must be carefull in getting into this argument. There are lots of grey areas in this debate. At what point is personal wealth become the means of producton? Is an education constitute the means of production? Do small farmers really own theri own land or are they dependent on the banks?

by hehehe Tue Feb 25, 2003 17:44

You have a book??
: )

by King Mob Tue Feb 25, 2003 23:56

Thank God someone in UCD still has the balls to stand up to you lazy, trotskyite, 'working class' scum and troublemakers. Kick the trots and the riff-raff out of UCD!

by not a trot anyway Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:20

i wish you would have the balls to say your name king fuckin dickhead... your a little bitch without a word of sense in your head... the person in question isnt even a trot...

by GerGer Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:26

Were you talking about RBB - fortune to inherit?

by octavious - Popular front for the liberation of West Britain (excluding Wales) Wed Feb 26, 2003 14:05

Ross Higgins is a man of destiny. He quiet rightly disapproves of people talking to him with coarse accents, and proving themselves unable to handle a knife and fork properly(you would think that such people would at least figure out the knife). Anyway just because he disapproves of knackers, that doesnt make him a detestable elitist fuck, it merely indicates that he has standards, which some of my socialist colleagues sometimes mistake for elitism(possibly because they don't meet them.

by King Mob Wed Feb 26, 2003 16:07

HIGGINS IS A BLUESHIRT LIFTING BASTARD. THIS MAN AND THE REST OF HIS FG/LABOUR CRONIES MUST BE STOPPED AT THE NEXT USI CONFERENCE.

by Ben Archibald - NSU-USI Wed Feb 26, 2003 17:04

Jonathan Patton (North Down and Ards Institute of Further and Higher Education Students' Union) is running for that post.

A man who's been Deputy Northern Area Officer, President and Deputy President of his own college, been involved in more Diversity Education programmes than even I have and the hardest worker I've ever seen in an FE (hence the only IT/FE/PLC sabbatical in the North), JP is anything but elitist.

I know what way I'll be voting at Congress.

by A concerned ucd student Wed Feb 26, 2003 22:39

Mr Higgins' comments are not insulting to the working class, but to everyone he is meant to represent!This idiot has been sitting in his office since july 1st doing nothing but plotting(pinky and the brain style that is) on how to take over the world! I hope the good people in USI have the cope on not to elect this snobby fine gaeler, d.4, badly dressed,lazy good for nothing little know it all into (i was going to say power but lets not kid ourselves) office.

Children, do the right thing and vote for the other guy!

by working class hero Wed Feb 26, 2003 22:42

Listen, I know that its hard being a right wing, homosexual Fine gaeler/Wannabee P.D. They're not the most liberal of parties, what with their Facist/Blueshirt history. But that is no reason to attack the decent hard working students of UCD. Its the kids like us that remind you upper class losers what its like to have a personality and have real names like Sean or Siobhan, rather than Turloch or Fiachra or some other ghastly west-Brit term. GET OVER YOURSELF ROSS!!!
Who are you to slag anyone when all that you have done all year is sit in your office and plot Fine Gael's takeover of the world, which frankly, lets be honest, is never going to happen!!
Everyone has a right to a third level education, not just those who come from the Right side of the Tracks or as you might have it the right wing side of the tracks. Your comments are an insult to anyone who has worked their arses off to futher themselves and better their situation.
Imagin a world full of Ross Higgins's. I can. It happenned in Germany, Spain and Italy in the 30's and 40's!!!

by haha Thu Feb 27, 2003 22:19

Well here is the end of this thread. Higgins pulled out of the Equality race. And not too early, may I say

by David Grey Thu Jan 08, 2004 21:37

Ross has just jumped ship into the Labour Party. It seems the Labour Party are closer to his ideology than FG.He is now rumoured to have got the endorsement of UCD Labours head man and SU president Paul Dillon to run as the 'left' nominee for Finance Officer. Supposedly this is to allow Dillons right hand man Dermot Looney run uncontested for Auditor at this years UCD Labour AGM.Dillon is well known for his shaftings in the Labour Party and CFE. Last year he shafted Dara McCarthy and imposed his protege Dave Kitching as Auditor and candidate for SU Irish Language Officer

by mr. bilderberg Thu Jan 08, 2004 22:34

The man is clearly the new up-and-coming Peter Sutherland ....

by Geneologist Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:37

Is he in any way related to Ross O Carroll Kelly, I wonder?