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 Sunday February 23, 2003 13:43 by Barry Finnegan - interim convenor of Open Space dialogue for Irish civil society to build Irish Social Forum john.finnegan3 at mail dot dcu dot ie 01-8741223
 ...for Irish civil society to build an Irish Social Forum The following are the minutes of the 3rd Open Space dialogue meeting for Irish civil society to build an Irish Social Forum which took place on the morning of Saturday the 15th of February 2003 at The Cultivate Sustainable Living Centre, Essex Street, Temple Bar, Dublin 2. But first some brief notes: I still don’t have exact dates or meeting location for the World Economic Forum meeting next October in Dublin - but am endeavouring to find out. I am also endeavouring to find out if the Paris Social Forum next October is being billed as a European event and exactly when it is - again any info drop a line. As stated below the initial DRAFT invite to the process and aims and objectives etc are with the minutes of the second meeting (see: http://www.indymedia.ie/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=28604 ). So having read all the minutes, if anyone feels like inputting to the process please drop me an email and I will integrate your ideas to the DRAFT document for presentation at the 4th meeting. Finally, there are weblinks at the end of this page to the World and European Social Fora websites and I would encourage people to have a look. all the best, In attendance: Unable to attend, apologies sent: Minutes: It was accepted that whoever presents the information about, and who invites new groups to, the Open Space dialogue meetings for Irish Civil Society to build an Irish Social Forum and the Social Forum itself, will influence the perception that those groups have of what the Social Forum is about. It was agreed more effort should be made to involve rural and Northern groups. To this end it was suggested that the Community Councils and the Community Forum should be contacted. It was highlighted that self-organised community groups do not go to this type of meeting/gathering and it was agreed that people already involved in building the Irish Social Forum should use the contacts they already have to spread the word. It was suggested that using themes like “equality” or “social inclusion” etc for a meeting could bring in people from the community and trade union sectors without creating preconceived ideas that the Social Forum is an initiative of any one sector or ideology. It was also suggested that this may also be a useful way to involve groups from Northern Ireland without the threat of preconceived ideas forcing people to exclude themselves before they got involved. THE PURPOSE OF AN IRISH SOCIAL FORUM?: A question was raised as to what is the difference between the Social Forum and the networks, platforms and fora which already exist to bring people together. There was a consensus answer that the Social Forum is a completely new space on the island of Ireland and that it exists outside and independent of any existing system, that it is of, by and for civil society. There was consensus on the differences and newness of the ISF in that: the ISF is aware of, and models itself on, the World and European Social Fora, that it sees itself as part of this global movement of civil society to address the ills of the world, that it is not government funded, that it does not issue definitive policy documents, that it is not a lobbying body, that it does have the objective of being cross-sectorial, that it does have the objective of bringing people and groups of civil society together to generate alternatives and build a better world, to learn from eachother, to enhance eachothers objectives, aims and hopes. There was some discussion on the DRAFT aims and objectives of the ISF as suggested by Conall of Comhlamh (see last minutes). There was no major disagreement. Points raised were that the next DRAFT should be careful to strike a balance between the different sectors and perhaps keep it people centred. Anyone with suggestions should drop a mail to the interim convenor (contact phone and email address below). Further issues raised as to the purpose of the ISF were that existing political frameworks are loosing legitimacy and that there is currently no room for democracy in some of the worlds largest economies which are international companies. THE FOCUS OF AN IRISH SOCIAL FORUM?: THE PRACTICALITIES OF AN IRISH SOCIAL FORUM?: THE TIMING OF OPEN SPACE DIALOGUE / IRISH SOCIAL FORUM EVENTS?: The World Economic Forum will be having a European conference in Dublin on the theme of “Competitiveness” in October this year and it was agreed that the Irish Social Forum will be having a simultaneous event on the theme of “Co-operation.” During the Irish EU Presidency it was agreed that the Irish Social Forum will be having a larger, perhaps a three day, event. * Minutes prepared by Barry Finnegan (interim convenor of Open Space) More info WSF and ESF available at: WHAT IS THE WORLD SOCIAL FORUM (WSF) (see this link): WHAT IS THE WSF CHARTER OF PRINCIPLES? (see this link): ORIGINS AND AIMS OF THE WSF (see this link): WHO ORGANIZES THE WSF (see this link): PROGRAMME OF THE WORLD SOCIAL FORUM 23RD - 28TH FEB. 2003 (see this link): ALL DOCUMENTS, PROPOSALS, SYNTHESIS AND FINAL DECLARATIONS OF THE 2003 WSF WILL BE AVAILABLE SOON (see this link): WHAT ARE THE REGIONAL AND THEMATIC SOCIAL FORUMS (see this link): THE OFFICIAL SITE OF THE EUROPEAN SOCIAL FORUM, WHICH WILL TOOK PLACE IN FLORENCE, ITALY FROM 6TH -10TH NOVEMBER 2002 (see this link): |
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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3"It was agreed more effort should be made to involve rural and Northern groups"
You might have some chance of achieving these aims if you held meetings in rural and northern areas!
"The Conference on Resistance to Corporate Globalisation on the weekend of March 1st at the Triskel Arts Centre in Cork."
Good choice of dates for the only non-Dublin meeting mentioned - the date for the largest anti-war mobilisation in Shannon to date where most of the serious activists who can make it will be. Surprising considering the overlap of membership between the ISF and the IAWM.
Chuck,
Thank you, it is always to great to get some feed back. Your comments are noted and will be raised at the next meeting. Might I suggest that you read the minutes of the meetings and have a look at who attended. Then you could contact whatever group, network, circle of friends etc that you identify with and perhaps send a representative to the next meeting.
Then in relation to your comment "You might have some chance of achieving these aims if you held meetings in rural and northern areas!" I suggest you print out the minutes and attendees of the meetings so far, read up on the World and European Social Fora, come along to the next meeting yourself and /or you could call a meeting in your town or city or rural or northern area and discuss the Social Forum idea with groups and individuals from various sectors of civil society in your part of the country. It would be great if you could stay in touch when and if you have the time and energy to do this so that we can continue working together.
In relation to your comment: "Good choice of dates for the only non-Dublin meeting mentioned - the date for the largest anti-war mobilisation in Shannon to date where most of the serious activists who can make it will be. Surprising considering the overlap of membership between the ISF and the IAWM." Might I suggest that you read the minutes of the meetings so far - they are all linked inside the ISF feature on the main page (http://www.indymedia.ie) - you will see that so far no one from the IAWM has attended. While as to why the date has been chosen for Cork on March 1st? I was contacted by the conference organisers in the first week or two of the new year and made a personal commitment to attend a panel discussion. I informed the last open space dialogue for an Irish Social Forum meeting that while down there I would work to inform people of what we have been attempting to build. I am sure who ever is left in Cork on Saturday will pass the info on to Cork based people when they get back from Shannon.
Finally what suggestions do you have so we can work together to overcome whatever reservations you have about the process so far?
all the best,
Barry Finnegan
- interim convenor of Open Space dialogue for Irish civil society to build Irish Social Forum
john.finnegan3@mail.dcu.ie
due to the fact that many Cork based people will be in Shannon on MArch 1st, the event I was to speak at on SAt. 1st at Triskel Arts Centre in Cork has been moved to 2pm on the next day, Sunday. This decision was made by the Triskel Arts Centre.
all the best,
Barry