Nice and September 11th

Monday October 07, 2002 00:28

by Ken

If the Nice Treaty is defeated, are we prepared for the outcomes of re-negotiations in a political climate dominated by the events of September 11th?

If the Nice Treaty is rejected a second time by the people of Ireland, what will happen? Will the Nice Treaty be quickly amended in response to concerns about neutrality, the occasional loss of a Commissioner, the restrictions placed on our 'national veto', and the changes to Article 133, then presented to us again for our approval? Not likely! No doubt there will be new negotiations, new agreements, maybe even a new treaty, but these negotiations will not be limited to those areas that concern us most. Everything will likely be thrown back on the table, and all of these new negotiations will take place in our post September 11th world, a political environment that is significantly nastier than that which existed during the Nice negotiations. If the people of Ireland are given a chance to vote on a new Treaty, what additional changes will we be battling. Will the main emphasis of the 'No' campaign still be focused on issues of power and control, or would we be more concerned about issues of freedom and oppression? Are we really going to be given a chance to vote for something better?

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The use of the scare tactic

by data flow - no

Mon Oct 07, 2002 01:36

You always know you're being shafted when the best reason to vote yes is you're scared to vote No. not a concrete reason, not a logical argument, not even a financial calculation enters into your decision. The mythical fear of 'them' being annoyed at you and somehow punishing the nation and you as well is the only real reason you can see for voting yes.

What could we not live without in the Nice treaty?

Amsterdam allows enlargement. Nobody has told me any other good things that will actually be caused by this treaty as opposed to the absence of people being annoyed at me.

Our reputation? In negotiations, you need to be able to walk away to have strength. We walked away from this treaty already - this gives us strength in future negotiations.

What will happen if we vote yes?

History will record that during the period of the Flood and Moriarty tribunals, when we finally realised our Taoiseach was on the take and our laws were bought and sold for, we handed over control of our state services to the biggest ongoing swindle the world has ever seen (utilities and services companies, the people who will run our water and electricity and waste etc., the enrons and the vivendis have been involved in all the really big rip offs over the last few years).

If we vote NO to NICE ...

by Terry

Mon Oct 07, 2002 12:02

... it will give time more time for more people to find out how
the current runaway system of robber-baron destroyer-of-the-earth
Capitalism is doing to us all and where it is rapidly heading.

Since a joint WTO - EU meeting follows immediately on the Monday
after the NICE vote, the full whack of the GATS treachy will be
signed up to very quickly by our 'representatives' in the un-elected
EU Commission, not that even if they were elected they still wouldn't
sign, since elected politicians in every other EU countries never even
bothered to ask their citizens if they wanted to sign up to NICE too.

corrupt scum

by lying politican

Mon Oct 07, 2002 21:46

Dont forget the EU has even more corruption than the domestic political scene has, it has more loot for a start. Why else would P Flynn,David Byrne, Pat Cox, Geraghty, De Rossa and no doubt soon Ruari Quinn be so desperate to hop aboard the gravy train, once the Irish electorate gets tired of their broken promises and lying arguaments?

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