While the iron is hot (with 'criminal graffiti' )

by mr jinks Wed Sep 11, 2002 10:54

looking back at the comments, i obviously mis printed when i stated that defacing an airplane is more serious then murder. BUT it is still a serious crime and should be dealt with accordingly. ie passports taken off them.banned from going outside the country. So when they have grown up( to be qualified doctors, lawyers etc etc) and want to travel and experience the opportunities that America or any other country have to offer (which I have done) then will they realise the stupidity of their actions. If ye really think about it, if ye are so serious about being anti america/anti war... stop using american pc's. or maybe ye arent, ye have alternative ways of communicating!!!! or stop using all american products.dont bite the hand that feeds, because i personaly enjoy the way we live.And given this choice or the choice that we let dictators/madmen/terrorists do what they like and destroy western civilisation so they can set up their own oppressive regime... easy choice. and please dont spout the shit that
blah blah usa supported osama yrs ago blah blah americans killed 5000 peopel in iraq, that may very well be true but the fact is circumstances have changed and now bin laden is number 1 most wanted. today 9/11 should show you just why he is being targeted. (if you have any human feelings today of all days should bring those to the fore)
any way, as stated previously, everyone is forgeeting this silly act and ye are slipping quietly away into the background while every one gets on with their lives. maybe ye should get one too

by Bakky Mon Sep 09, 2002 12:24

I gave a fairly comprehensive rebuttal of your previous post and invited you to respond. You have responded but did not address one single thing I said. The one point that you made was based on a misquote and also taken out of context.
Check it out:
Mr. J says that the most laughable thing I have to say is: "' no i havent seen any live action but have read enough about it to offer your expert opinion'".
I did not say this. I said, "No I haven't seen any live 'action' but I have read enough accounts written by people who have to know that it is worse than an unpleasant experience for the soldiers themselves, never mind any innocent bystanders who get blown away (more than 90% of casualities in modern warfare are civilians)." Nowhere do I say that I am better qualified than you or anybody else or even that I have any qualification on the matter. My statement merely indicates that I have satisfied myself that war is an extremely unpleasant experience for all directly involved.
Mr. J, it is with extreme reluctance that I am responding to your provocative comments but it is mainly for the benefit of people who are new to indymedia or activism who may take you seriously (although when you say that "petty stupid de-facing of property is more serious then murder"....).
Feel free as always to respond to all my previous comments.

by mr jinks Mon Sep 09, 2002 07:52

bakky, whats your role in all this. not bothering to write too much, seeing as you will re-write everything i say anyway. but the most laughable thing you have to say is.. ' no i havent seen any live action but have read enough about it to offer your expert opinion' get your head out of the clouds you moron. You are no better qualified then I to pass judgement or cast aspirations on anyone.
any way it is back to the real world this week. that stupid incident last week is all but forgotten, as shown by the replies being few and far between. So to hourigan and dickoffsky, well done for giving the hacks something to fill pages with but as with all irrelevant and pointless things in life... they, and ye are already yesterdays news.

by Bakky Thu Sep 05, 2002 16:25

Mr. J: all crimes are are non-sensical and shouldnt happen
Bakky: Crimes are what an elite few in society decide should be disallowed ie censored and as such most of them are non-sensical because the laws bear no relevance in many cases to the people they censor. Possession of small quantities of a naturally growing plant is illegal in this country and not in many others (Holland, Britain, Portugal, Germany, Spain etc). Which country has the non-sensical laws? On this thread, three people were charged in Greenham Common for damaging some military installation - the judge applauded them and threw out the case.

Mr. J: yes, petty stupid de-facing of property is more serious then murder. and im sure most people would agree.
Bakky: Well Mr. Jinks I don't think you'll find many (any?) to agree with you on this one, either here or anywhere.

Mr. J: the difference between playgrounds and killing machines is qute [sic] clear bakky thank you very much but i was only using that as an example
Bakky: You're welcome, I would seek a better example for the purposes of your arguement.

Mr. J: Couragous is a brave and heroic person,and to use it in the same sentance as those 2 morons who ran onto a taxiway to spray paint on an aeroplane is any thing but.
Bakky: You don't have any arguement here except to say that their conduct was anything but (courageous, etc). Why was their conduct anything but? I think it was courageous because they have campaigned for a year to bring our attention to the military use of Shannon by a foreign power to facilitate its murder of civilians in a foreign land which posed no direct threat to them or us and who are using it to support another war which very few people think is necessary. They have risked a criminal record to take an action about which their conscience told them was correct. Did they endanger anyone? Did they run away? No. They phoned the police to let them know where they were and what they had done. Standing up for what you believe in in the face of the might of the state is, in my opinion, brave and courageous.

Mr. J: ye all make valid points in certain statements but ultimatly are let down by your boorish and yobbish attiude which makes ye revel in disrupting an international airport (albeit an annoyance in so far that a few more police were on duty, akin to swatting away an annoying fly!!)basically a rent a mob in which a few crustys were rounded up to do nothing.. sure, it is better then living in their tree's and gives them a chance to stretech their legs. its not as if they have any jobs to actually go to/
Bakky: I get it, expressing your gratitude to a couple of people who have enacted what most people would like to do but don't out of fear is boorish and yobbish but associating protesters with flys, a rent a mob, crusties, living in trees, unemployed (it's the assumption in this last one, most of the anti-war protesters I know are paid to make more for other people), is that not a bit on the boorish, yobbish?

Mr. J: And you ask me if i have seen any live action. Fortunalty no i havent. But bakky have you and more importantly, were YOU at these protestsa and the like or are you one of thoses who like to see it all happen and just put your comments in like a name less face less snivelling coward.
Bakky: No I haven't seen any live 'action' but I have read enough accounts written by people who have to know that it is worse than an unpleasant experience for the soldiers themselves, never mind any innocent bystanders who get blown away (more than 90% of casualities in modern warfare are civilians). I stand by my comment that if the people who declared war were to lead the charge, it stands to reason that those people who currently have the power to decide when to go to war would exercise more restraint. Would Bush or Blair stand exposed with the troops they are prepared to send into battle?
I have attended any protests that I could possibly attend.
You don't know my name, you don't know my face, ou don't know the least thing about me apart from a couple of paragraphs on this newswire and yet you call me a "snivelling coward". More boorish and yobbish behaviour.

Feel free to respond, Mr. Jinks (is that your name? Can't see your face either!)

by chief superintendent colin craporn Thu Sep 05, 2002 15:37

meow bitchy, bitchy, sore about something, defacing property is a crime, worse than murder?, obviously you are one of those snobby middle class wimpy cowards who would rather share your cell with paedophiles, sex offenders and child murderers in the prison VPU, like RUC officer john torney, who murdered his wife and 2 kids in cold blood, becos he wanted to be with his mistress, and then blamed the murders on his innocent wee lad. how twisted, cowardly and snivelling is that. you can bet cuntstable john torney is snivellin now.

by mr jinks Thu Sep 05, 2002 13:40

to bakky. all crimes are are non-sensical and shouldnt happen but when you put such a black and white slant on it in that way then yes, petty stupid de-facing of property is more serious then murder. and im sure most people would agree.(although judging by some of the sh*t written here i take that back!!) and the difference between playgrounds and killing machines is qute clear bakky thank you very much but i was only using that as an example(basically because you would associate children in the play area's and quite obvioulsy childish and immature immbiciles were involved in the vandalism)
another very laughable thing was to see the words honourable/ brave / couragous in relation to the incident in question. Couragous is a brave and heroic person,and to use it in the same sentance as those 2 morons who ran onto a taxiway to spray paint on an aeroplane is any thing but.ye all make valid points in certain statements but ultimatly are let down by your boorish and yobbish attiude which makes ye revel in disrupting an international airport (albeit an annoyance in so far that a few more police were on duty, akin to swatting away an annoying fly!!)basically a rent a mob in which a few crustys were rounded up to do nothing.. sure, it is better then living in their tree's and gives them a chance to stretech their legs. its not as if they have any jobs to actually go to/
And you ask me if i have seen any live action. Fortunalty no i havent. But bakky have you and more importantly, were YOU at these protestsa and the like or are you one of thoses who like to see it all happen and just put your comments in like a name less face less snivelling coward.

by PAINTER LOVER Thu Sep 05, 2002 13:05

Impressive action well done!! Great advertising for the anti war movement!!
More action needed the paint is a great idea maybe next would be bigger coverage with catapults loaded with LARGE paint balls of red paint. How bout CATAPULTING LARGE PAINT BALLS on the U.S. and Israeli embassies with LARGE paint balls !!!! SO THE PAINT SHOWS UP ON TV COVERAGE VERY CLEARLY.... CONGRADULATIONS FOR A JOB WELL DONE!!MORE ACTION IS NEEDED!!!!

by Paul O'Donnell Thu Sep 05, 2002 12:20

Well done to Eoin and Tim for their brave action.

Obviously the security cordon is now going to be tightened around Shannon Warport. It's time to consider some secondary targets for that old orange spray can (maybe it should be red to signify the blood of innocents spilled in war)...

by Sean Thu Sep 05, 2002 11:20

Most of the Irish people don't know our neutrality has been compromised by Bertie and the boys in this way, so a large and peaceful protest by everybody who cares is certainly on the cards. The authorites should come straight out on this and tell the Irish people that we are part of the war infrastructure whether we like it or not. At least then we have the opportunity to directly show our displeasure.

by Eoin Dubsky - Refueling Peace Thu Sep 05, 2002 09:28 info at refuelingpeace dot org 087-6941060

Cheers Paul. I'll post a proper press release in a few hours. There's talk of a huge 'irish anti war movement' demo in Dublin and then in Shannon Airport in a few weeks.