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Friday May 23 2014
07:30 PM

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category international | history and heritage | event notice author Tuesday May 13, 2014 13:58author by JACK LANE - ATHOL BOOKS Report this post to the editors

Friday 23 May 2014 7:30 pm Belfast Unemployed Resource Centre 45/47 Donegall Street BT1 2FG

1. The Great Fraud of 1914-18
How Britain engineered a World War to destroy Germany.
By Dr. Pat Walsh

2. The Catholic Predicament in Northern Ireland
Volume One: Catastrophe 1914-1968
By Dr. Pat walsh


How the Northern Catholics who supported Britain's Great War and who made a great
'blood sacrifice' for it found themselves victims of a Great Fraud. And how they not only
got Partition but much, much worse – they got 'Northern Ireland'.
Author: Dr Pat Walsh
Chair: Mark Langhammer
Athol Books

author by John Kellypublication date Sun Aug 03, 2014 22:26Report this post to the editors

I was reading this but it got mislaid. I have ordered another but cannot recall seeing a list of sources.

There is an extract in it from a book written circa 1930 re Arthur Balfour's comments in 1909 but no index of sources.

If I am right in this is it not a serious deficit in the work?

Can anyone please clarify?

Regards,

John Kelly.

author by Stasiapublication date Mon Aug 04, 2014 20:30Report this post to the editors

Balfour:
“We are probably fools not to find a reason for declaring war on Germany before she builds too many ships and takes away our trade.”
White:
“You are a very high-minded man in private life. How can you possibly contemplate anything so politically immoral as provoking a war against a harmless nation which has as good a right to a navy as you have? If you wish to compete with German trade, work harder.”
Balfour:
“That would mean lowering our standard of living. Perhaps it would be simpler for us to have a war.”
White:
“I am shocked that you of all men should enunciate such principles.”
Balfour:
“Is it a question of right or wrong? Maybe it is just a question of keeping our supremacy.”


Source:
Thirty Years Of American Diplomacy, by Henry White and Allan Nevins, 1930.)

See http://www.politics.ie/forum/history/228652-true-causes....html post #119

See also:
http://www.politics.ie/forum/history/228652-true-causes....html post #219

author by Rational Ecologistpublication date Mon Aug 18, 2014 09:39Report this post to the editors

The truth is always more complex and nuanced than some people would want us o believe, and that is very much true in the case of the 1914-18 war. I have read extensively on the topic and definitely come down on the side of all parties sharing the blame. Balfour's comments betray a certain attitude; however, there is no point in attributing too much weight to his words.
The origins of the war are too complex to reduce to Britain's warmongering. It is my belief that the conditions for war had origimated with Wilhelm 2 getting rid of Bismarck and the colonial competition that developed in the late 19th century, combined with the decline of the Ottoman empire; the stresses in Austria/Hungary; the rise of pan-Serbian nationalism, the naval race between Britain and Germany, the triple entente(Russia, Britain, France), the commitment to protect Belgium; the fear of a powerful Russia......................... I could go on.
Simple answers serve a simple mentality. Britain has blood on its hand; however, it is in very good company.

 
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