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Leaked call from Estonian FM to Catherine Ashton (EU) indicates that snipers were provocateurs shooting people on both sides

category international | anti-capitalism | feature author Thursday March 06, 2014 23:08author by fred Report this post to the editors

featured image
Professional sniper -similar to the ones used
by agents acting for US & EU to murder policemen
and civilians in Kiev and then blame 'massacre' on
the government and use as prop in media war

Another leaked phone call. This time between the Estonian FM and Catherine Ashton. It would seem to indicate that the same shooters on the rootops in Ukraine were shooting people on BOTH sides.

People have seen this kind of thing before in previous coups by the west such as the attempted coup against Chavez. It is standard operating procedure, dirty tricks 101.

Ukraine Urged Jews to Flee Kiev

During the turmoil of the coup by the neo Nazis in Kiev which happens to be the home of one of the largest viable Jewish communities outside Israel, the synagogues in Kiev came under petrol bomb attack but likely the building didn't burn down. Given the outright racist nature of these thugs and the fact that the coup leaders on the first day of power hung a huge banner of Stepan Bandera the World War II Nazi collaborator who helped send 900,000 Jews to the gas chambers. When those in power celebrate these type of people, it should send a chill down your spine.

Chief Rabbi of Ukraine Urged Jews to Flee Kiev After Attack on Students


For an analysis on how all this colour revolution stuff usually plays out, see article and links at "How To Start A Revolution":
Activist Education at the Albert Einstein Institution: A Critical Examination of Elite Co-option of Civil Disobedience

One time honoured tactic is to fire up an angry mob, then send trained pro shooter(s) on to the rooftops and order them to shoot people from both sides of the protests.

Nothing gets a mob angrier and more panicked than seeing people bleeding and dropping dead around you. The same goes for the forces of law and order trying to keep a lid on a dangerous situation. Result? Like pouring petrol on a fire, both sides lose control and you get what we had in Maidan Ukraine, with both sides screaming accusations at each other and responding angrily and violently. Yanukovich, of course, then predictably got blamed in the western media for ordering the killings, despite his repeated strong denials.

Meanwhile, the well trained snipers who actually fired the shots quietly slip out of the picture.

Question is, who organised these snipers? Was it the Maidan fascists driving the violence that did it or were these snipers part of western / US special forces on a black op?

Google have forced people to sign in before listening to this hacked call. This greatly reduces it's audience, see here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8


However we found another copy of the call on youtube, we posted the audio and RT did a piece on it too(see below):

Further links on this story worth checking out:
Snipers Hired By Kiev Protest Leaders?:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37857.htm

Paul craig roberts on media propaganda on Ukraine:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37857.htm/article37856.htm



audio audio of phone call between Estonian FM and Catherine Ashton 16.98 Mb

Caption: RT piece on the leak


author by fredpublication date Thu Mar 06, 2014 08:58Report this post to the editors

as suspected, Klitchko is a western puppet, as shown by hacked emails from Anonymous Ukraine

https://www.cyberguerrilla.org/blog/?p=17432

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_02_23/Anonymous-Ukra...3581/

Caption: anonymous ukraine statement


author by Renée Parsonspublication date Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:52Report this post to the editors

Posted on behalf of Renée Parsons, who has done a very good job of pulling together the facts.

[Wednesday updates:

  • According to a leaked EU's Ashton phone tape, the Kiev snipers, who shot both protesters and police, were hired by Ukrainian opposition leaders, did not work for overthrown Yanukovych
  • It turns out that Russia has a legal right to maintain a military force of up to 25 thousand troops in Crimea in accordance with an agreement signed by Russia and Ukraine in 1997, which will remain in effect until 2043. Current Russian troop strength in Crimea is well under the legal limit. The troops are there to safeguard Russia's Black Sea fleet.
  • John Kerry has pledged $1 billion in aid to Ukraine. Ukraine's natural gas bill to Russia is going to be $2 billion.]

Listening to the US media, even the most diligent news junkie would find it difficult to know that the U.S. State Department played not only a vital role in the violence and chaos underway in Ukraine but was also complicit in creating the coup that ousted democratically elected President Viktor Yanuyovch. Given the Russian Parliament’s approval of Putin’s request for military troops to be moved into Crimea, Americans uninformed about the history of that region might also be persuaded that Russia is the aggressor and the sole perpetrator of the violence.

Let’s be clear about what is at stake here: NATO missiles on the adjacent Ukraine border aimed directly at Russia would make that country extremely vulnerable to Western goals and destabilization efforts while threatening Russia’s only water access to its naval fleet in Crimean peninsula, the Balkans, the Mediterranean Sea and the Middle East – and not the least of which would allow world economic dominance by the US, the European Union, the IMF, World Bank and international financiers all of whom had already brought staggering suffering to millions around the globe.

The fact is that democracy was not a demand on the streets of Kiev. The current record of events indicates that protests of civil dissatisfaction were organized by reactionary neo-Nazi forces intent on fomenting a major domestic crisis ousting Ukraine’s legitimate government. As events continue to spiral out of control, here is the chronology of how the coup was engineered to install a government more favorable to EU and US goals.

April 11, 2011: A Kiev Post article entitled "Ukraine Hopes to Get $1.5 Billion from IMF in June" states that the loan is dependent on pension cuts while "maintaining cooperation with the IMF, since it influences the country's interaction with other international financial institutions and private investors" and further that the "attraction of $850 million from the World Bank in 2011, depended on cooperation with the IMF." Well, that about says it all: if Ukraine played ball, then the loan money would pour in.

November 21, 2013: fast forward to the EU summit in Lithuania when President Yanuyovch embarrassed the European Union by rejecting its Agreement in favor of joining Russia’s Common Union with other Commonwealth Independent States.

November 27, 2013: it was not until February 23, 2014 when Anonymous Ukraine hackers released a series of emails from a Lithuanian government advisor to opposition leader and former boxer Vitaly Klitschko regarding plans to destabilize Ukraine; for example:

  • "Our American friends promise to pay a visit in the coming days, we may even see Nuland or someone from the Congress." 12/7/2013
  • "Your colleague has arrived ... his services may be required even after the country is destabilized." 12/14/2013
  • "I think we’ve paved the way for more radical escalation of the situation. Isn’t it time to proceed with more decisive action?" 1/9/2014
November 29, 2013: well-orchestrated protestors were already in the streets of Kiev as European Commission President Jose Manual Barroso announced that the EU would 'not accept Russia’s veto' of the Agreement.

December 13, 2013: As if intent on providing incontrovertible evidence of US involvement in Ukraine, Assistant US Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasia Victoria Nuland proudly told a meeting of the International Business Conference sponsored by the US-Ukrainian Foundation that the US had ‘invested’ more than $5 billion and ‘five years worth of work and preparation' in achieving what she called Ukraine’s ‘European aspirations.” Having just returned from her third trip to Ukraine in five weeks, Nuland boasted of her ‘coordinated high level diplomacy’ and a more than two hour ‘tough conversation’ with Yanukovych. Already familiar with Nuland as former Secretary Clinton’s spokesperson at State, one can imagine her discourteous tone and manner when she says she made it 'absolutely clear' to Yanukovych that the US required "immediate steps" ... to "get back into conversation with Europe and the IMF." While Western media have portrayed Yanukovych as a ‘weak’ leader, Nuland’s description of a ‘tough’ meeting can only mean that he resisted her threats and intimidations. In what must have been a touching moment, Nuland spoke about a show of force by government police on demonstrators who 'sang hymns and prayed for peace.'

What Nuland did not reveal on December 13 was that her meetings with ‘key Ukrainian stakeholders’ included neo-Nazi Svoboda party leader Oleh Tyahnybok and prime minister wannabe Arsenly Yatsenyuk of the Fatherland Party. At about the same time Nuland was wooing fascist extremists, Sen. John McCain (R-Az) and Sen. Chris Murphy (D- Conn) shared the stage in Kiev with Tyahnybok offering their support and opposition to the sitting government. The Svoboda party which has roots with extreme vigilante and antisemitic groups has since received at least three high level cabinet posts in the interim government including deputy prime minister. There is no doubt that the progenies of west Ukraine’s historic neo-fascist thugs that fought alongside Hitler are now aligned with the US as represented by Victoria Nuland.

January 24, 2014: President Yanukoyvch identified foreign elements participating in Kiev protests warning that armed radicals were a danger to peaceful citizens. Independent news agencies also reported that "not all of Kiev’s population backs opposition rule, which depends mainly on a group from the former Polish town of Lvov, which holds sway over Kiev downtown - but not the rest of the city."

January 30, 2014: The State Department’s website Media Note announced Nuland’s upcoming travel plans that "In Kyiv, Assistant Secretary Nuland will meet with government officials, opposition leaders, civil society and business leaders to encourage agreement on a new government and plan of action." In other words, almost a month before President Yanukovych was ousted, the US was planning to rid the world of another independently elected President.

February 4, 2014: More evidence of Ms. Nuland’s meddling with extremist factions and the high level stakes of war and peace occurred in her taped conversation with U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt discussing their calculations of who’s in and who’s out to replace Yanukovych. Note mention of Nazi leader Oleh Tyahnybok. Here are some selected excerpts:

Nuland: "What do you think?"

Pyatt: "I think we’re in play... the [Vitali] Klitsch piece is obviously the complicated electron here especially the announcement of him as deputy prime minister. Your argument to him which you’ll need to make, I think the next phone call we want to set up is exactly the one you made to Yats [Yatsenyuk]. And I’m glad you sort of put him on the spot on where he fits in this scenario and I’m very glad he said what he said in response."

Nuland: "I don’t think Klitsch should go into government. I don’t think it’s necessary. I don’t think it’s a good idea."

Pyatt: "yeah...I mean I guess. You think…what…in terms of him not going into the government, just let him sort of stay out and do his political homework and stuff. I’m just thinking in terms of the process moving ahead, we want to keep the moderate democrats together. The problem is going to be Tyahnybok and his guys. I’m sure that’s what Yanukoyvch is calculating on all this."

Nuland: "I think Yats is the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience. What he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside and he needs to be talking to them four times a week you know...I think with Klitsch going in at that level working for Yats, it’s not going to work."

Nuland: "My understanding is that the big three [Yatsenyuk, Klitsch and Tyahnybok] were going in to their own meeting and that Yats was going to offer in that context a three plus one conversation with you."

Pyatt: "That’s what he proposed but knowing the dynamic that’s been with them where Klitsch has been top dog; he’s going to take a while to show up at a meeting, he’s probably talking to his guys at this point so I think you reaching out to him will help with the personality management among the three and gives us a chance to move fast on all this stuff and put us behind it before they all sit down and he explains why he doesn’t like it."

Nuland: "...when I talked to Jeff Feltman this morning, he had a new name for the UN guy...Robert Serry -he’s now gotten both Serry and Ban ki Moon to agree that Serry could come in Monday or Tuesday...so that would be great I think to help glue this thing and have the UN help glue it and you know fuck the EU."

Pyatt: "Exactly. I think we’ve got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure the Russians will be working behind the scenes ... Let me work on Klitchko and I think we want to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help midwife this thing."

Nuland: "...Sullivan’s come back to me saying you need Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an" ‘atta’ boy’ and get the deeds to stick so Biden’s willing."

February 20, 2014: Foreign ministers from Poland, Germany and France visiting Kiev secured President Yanukovych’s agreement that would commit the government to an interim administration, constitutional reform and new parliamentary and presidential elections. With "no clear sign that EU or US pressure has achieved" the desired effect, opposition leaders rejected Yanukovych’s compromise which would have ended the three month stand-off. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov called on the German, French and Polish foreign ministers to step in and take responsibility for upholding the deal they helped forge and not let "armed extremists" directly threaten Ukrainian sovereignty.

February 21, 2014: At a special summit in Brussels, European foreign ministers agreed to adopt sanctions on Ukraine including visa bans and asset freezes. The EU decision followed "immense pressure from the US for the European powers to take punitive action against the Ukrainian regime." Washington had already imposed travel bans on 20 leading Ukrainians.

February 22, 2014: An hour after refusing to resign, the Ukrainian Parliament voted, according to Russian president Vladimir Putin, in an unconstitutional action to oust President Yanukovych and that pro-EU forces staged a ‘coup’. Yanukovych departed Kiev in fear for his life.

March 1, 2014: During a conversation initiated by the vice president, Biden delivered his ‘atta boy’ with a phone call to newly installed prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk reaffirming US support for Ukraine’s ‘territorial integrity.'

All of the above machinations expose an incoherent and corrupt American foreign policy with a litany of US hypocrisy that might be hilarious if not for its potentially grave global implications. The comment "you just don’t behave by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext" might just win Secretary of State John Kerry the Hypocrisy of the Year Award. Kerry, of course, famously supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq seeking nonexistent weapons of mass destruction.

But then again, the President’s own comments that "...countries have deep concerns and suspicions about this kind of meddling..." and that "...as long as none of us are inside Ukraine trying to meddle and intervene...with decisions that properly belong to Ukrainian people..." while announcing $1 billion aid package to Ukraine (but not Detroit) would be a close runner-up for the Award

author by FFSpublication date Fri Mar 07, 2014 13:01Report this post to the editors

They've been playing this game since at least as early as 1989

Part 1 of Checkmate: Strategy of as Revolution #romania1989 #snipers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF-LSrsd0fw
Romania 1989.
In Susanne Brandstätter’s documentary ‘Checkmate: Strategy of a Revolution’ aired on Arte television station some years ago, Western intelligence officials revealed how death squads were used to destabilize Romania and turn its people against the head of state Nicolai Ceaucescu.

Brandstätter’s film is a must see for anyone interested in how Western intelligence agencies, human rights groups and the corporate press collude in the systematic destruction of countries whose leadership conflicts with the interests of big capital and empire.

Former secret agent with the French secret service, the DGSE(La Direction générale de la sécurité extérieure) Dominique Fonvielle, spoke candidly about the role of Western intelligence operatives in destabilizing the Romanian population.


“how do you organize a revolution?

I believe the first step is to locate oppositional forces in a given country. It is sufficient to have a highly developed intelligence service in order to determine which people are credible enough to have influence at their hands to destabilize the people to the disadvantage of the ruling regime”[2]

This open and rare admission of Western sponsorship of terrorism was justified on the grounds of the “greater good” brought to Romania by free-market capitalism. It was necessary, according to the strategists of Romania’s “revolution”, for some people to die.

Today, Romania remains one of the poorest countries in Europe. A report on Euractiv reads:

“Most Romanians associate the last two decades with a continuous process of impoverishment and deteriorating living standards, according to Romania’s Life Quality Research Institute, quoted by the Financiarul daily.” [3]

The western intelligence officials interviewed in the documentary also revealed how the Western press played a central role in disinformation. For example, the victims of Western-backed snipers were photographed by presented to the world as evidence of a crazed dictator who was “killing his own people”.

To this day, there is a Museum in the back streets of Timisoara Romania which promotes the myth of the “Romanian Revolution”. The Arte documentary was one of the rare occasions when the mainstream press revealed some of the dark secrets of Western liberal democracy. The documentary caused a scandal when it was aired in France, with the prestigious Le Monde Diplomatique discussing the moral dilemma of the West’s support of terror in its desire to spread ‘democracy’.

author by FFSpublication date Fri Mar 07, 2014 13:58Report this post to the editors

No surprise there really since they both espouse Nazi-like ideology

Israeli-army-vet-led street-fighting units - http://www.jta.org/2014/02/28/news-opinion/world/in-kie...lives


    Cnaan Liphshiz, JTA, Feb 28 2014

    He calls his troops “the Blue Helmets of Maidan,” but brown is the color of the headgear worn by Delta, the nom de guerre of the commander of a Jewish-led militia force that participated in the Ukrainian revolution.

    Under his helmet, he also wears a kipa. Delta, a Ukraine-born former soldier in the IDF, spoke to JTA Thursday on condition of anonymity. He explained how he came to use combat skills he acquired in the Shu’alei Shimshon reconnaissance battalion of the Givati infantry brigade to rise through the ranks of Kiev’s street fighters.

    He has headed a force of 40 men and women, including several fellow IDF veterans, in violent clashes with Ukrainian government forces.

    Several Ukrainian Jews, including Rabbi Moshe Azman, one of the country’s claimants to the title of chief rabbi, confirmed Delta’s identity and role in the still-unfinished revolution.

author by anti-fascistpublication date Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:42Report this post to the editors

There are so far unconfirmed reports that hundreds of mercenaries provided by Academi previously named Blackwater have been deployed by the Nazis in Kiev. The reports indicate these will be used against the pro-Russian rallies in cities in the Eastern Ukraine. This would indicate that the Americans who successfully placed their man in power in Kiev have no intention of letting this slip out of their hands.

author by FFSpublication date Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:31Report this post to the editors

Ukraine: Israeli Special Forces Unit under Neo-Nazi Command Involved in Maidan Riots - http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-israeli-special-fo...71725

Neither the Tel Aviv government nor the Israeli media have expressed concern regarding the fact that the some of the EuroMaidan rioters were led by Zio-Nazi infiltrators that teamed up with local Neo-Nazis

Hiding in Plain sight: Jewish Israeli Nazi on the Streets of Kiev
Hiding in Plain sight: Jewish Israeli Nazi on the Streets of Kiev

author by Felix Quigleypublication date Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:36Report this post to the editors

This quote that ffs writes is from Chossudovsky and if you check his position towards Israel he is an enemy of Israel. That is fact.

Chossudovsky writes

"Neither the Tel Aviv government nor the Israeli media have expressed concern regarding the fact that the some of the EuroMaidan rioters were led by Zio-Nazi infiltrators that teamed up with local Neo-Nazis".

Are they concerned? I do not know. They should be concerned if this is true.

Note that Chossudovsky in the above uses the term " Zio-Nazi"

Chossudovsky thus makes his politics clear that he equates the struggle for a national homeland as being a nazi undertaking. Why?

Is the struggle for an Irish Homeland IrishNazi?

So Chossudovsky bases his report on the JTA report. This person that they are referring to is totally disguised in the article. They do not give his name. They call him "Delta".

Supposing it is out of CIA dirty tricks. They are working against Russia. They want to present this as a clean revolution. So they seek to hide the Antisemitism involved in these circles around Maidan. So then it figures. The CIA will present the "Jews" in this case this mystery person Delta as declaring "Antisemitism...no problem"

Supposing the JTA report is true what THEN does it mean. It means that one or three or four Jews are involved in Ukraine on the side of Fascists.

And that other Jews are involved there on the side of Fascists which could come out of sheer ignorance, just as many Irish supported the Good Friday Agreement.

What is the conclusión from this except that they are traitors to the Jewish people.

There may also be Irish involved and certainly the Irish Government is far more on the side of the Fascists in Ukraine is it not than is Israel but ffs makes no reference to that.

This whole article and report fromt he JTA with its non identification of this person who really could be anybody, he is hidden from top to bottom, stinks, and then the way that Chossudovsky picks up this, stinks, and the way that ffs reports on this also stinks.

If a number of Jews are involved in Maidan on the side of the Fascist putsch then they are traitors to the Jewish people, but the Jews cannot be held responsable for the actions of a handful, if even that is true, and nothing here may be true at all, it is covered in unanswered questions.

author by FFSpublication date Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:54Report this post to the editors

Note that Chossudovsky in the above uses the term " Zio-Nazi"


No he didn't you lying Nazi - I did.

But so what if he had of?

The guy in question is clearly a Zio-Nazi, and he's clearly teamed up with bunch of Neo-Nazis

Felix the Nazi's position on this is that despite the article appearing in the Jewish Telegraph Agency Publication it s "dubious" - so basically Felix the Nazi is claiming that the JTA is carrying Anti-Jewish Propaganda -

yeah right, Felix-The-Nazi, pull the other one.

You can't lie your way out of this one Felix

author by tyler durdenpublication date Tue Mar 11, 2014 05:05Report this post to the editors

story coming out of Ukraine. May or may not bet true

people in masks and unnumbered trucks ship out all Ukraine's gold to the US in the dead of night:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-10/was-price-ukra...d-fed



Tonight, around at 2:00 am, an unregistered transport plane took off took off from Boryspil airport.

According to Boryspil staff, prior to the plane's appearance, four trucks and two cargo minibuses arrived at the airport all with their license plates missing. Fifteen people in black uniforms, masks and body armor stepped out, some armed with machine guns. These people loaded the plane with more than forty heavy boxes.

After this, several mysterious men arrived and also entered the plane. The loading was carried out in a hurry. After unloading, the plateless cars immediately left the runway, and the plane took off on an emergency basis.

Airport officials who saw this mysterious "special operation" immediately notified the administration of the airport, which however strongly advised them "not to meddle in other people's business."

Later, the editors were called by one of the senior officials of the former Ministry of Income and Fees, who reported that, according to him, tonight on the orders of one of the "new leaders" of Ukraine, all the gold reserves of the Ukraine were taken to the United States.

author by ffspublication date Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:21Report this post to the editors

Zerohedge is a us rightwing libertarian website run by moronic americans.

It allows itself to be used to spread NATO propaganda regarding the situation in Ukraine and has willingly done so from the start

In the last 3 or 4 weeks it has published at least 4 articles designed purely to con everyone into believing that a full scale russian invasion of ukraine is imminent -and as even a nazi could see, no full scale invasion of ukraine has taken place.

Reading zerohedge is about as infomative as listening to one of felix the nazis hate filled nazi-loving rants

author by FFSpublication date Tue Mar 11, 2014 13:22Report this post to the editors

Press TV was one of the few news outlets to report on the Israeli involvement in the riots in Ukraine:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/02/16/350986/israel-e...rest/

    "A former Israeli army officer is playing a leading role in the anti-government protests in Ukraine [...]. [This] unnamed Israeli was commanding a group of 20 Ukrainian militants while four other Israelis, who had also previously served in the army, were said to have taken part in opposition rallies in Ukraine's capital of Kiev. "


The Press TV report went on to state

    "Meanwhile, Ukrainian media said that an Israeli [a Jewish one, presumably] tycoon provides financial support to the opposition in Ukraine, adding that Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency is one of the instigators of the unrest in the country."


On 16 December 2013 Jerusalem Post reported that (http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Limmud-FS...35114)



One may well be tempted to view these young Israeli and US Jews as useful idiots, but it is far more plausible that they were in fact provocateurs with a political agenda of their own.

Ukraine is not just a safe haven for oligarchs on the run from Putin, BUT Zionist Israel is.

Ukraine is also a country in which Israel exerts a high degree of political influence.

author by V for vendettapublication date Tue Mar 11, 2014 15:49Report this post to the editors

if zerohedge is providing misinformation on Ukraine as you are saying
Then how come this story is highlighting US monkey business.
surely they would be promoting US interests?

author by FFSpublication date Wed Mar 12, 2014 13:34Report this post to the editors

Since the 27th of February 2014 Arseniy Yatsenyuk is “prime minister” of the present and entirely illegal regime of Ukraine, installed after a Neo-Nazi led coup, financed by NATO, the CIA and even some US Billionaires

Yatsenyuk has at least 3 Jewish Grandparents

Arseniy Yatsenyuk Foundation - http://openukraine.org/en/about/partners

Open Ukraine claims that "The Open Ukraine Foundation is an international foundation, established in July 2007, at the initiative of Arseniy Yatsenyuk and Zbigniew Dzhymala for strengthening and development of Ukraine’s reputation in the world."

list of "partners" (Owners)

  • US State Dept
  • Chatham House
  • NED
  • NATO Info Center
  • Polish Gov
  • German Marshall fund


They're not even trying to hide it anymore

Just in case anyone had any doubt who and what the Ukrainian Jewish individual now masquerading as "Ukrainian Prime Minister" represented

I guess that is why there were so many Israeli Military Zio-Nazis in Maidan square leading groups of Neo-Nazis - they were trying to help their fellow Jewishman seize power in an illegal coup

author by Denitopublication date Thu Mar 13, 2014 09:56Report this post to the editors

That's a new one on me

author by NaziFelixpublication date Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:51Report this post to the editors

and no really gives a shit whether you believe it or not -- your beliefs are immaterial

If you were not anything other than a Pro zio-Nazi troll you would have addressed the evidence which is right on the page in front of you but of course you did not because you come here to troll only

It is a fact the the new PM of Ukraine was put into power by Neo-Nazis and were joined in that Nazi coup by their friends the Zio-Nazis

author by Felix Quigley - www.4international.mepublication date Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:55Report this post to the editors

he is not a jew, he is a catholic!!!

Quote "I can tell you about this separately as a Christian and a Greek Catholic"

KYIV, Ukraine — Leading Ukraine Opposition figure, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, risks disappointing liberal supporters of his All-Ukrainian Union “Fatherland” party, having publicly rejected gay marriage at a recent rally.

Yatsenyuk was confronted by a representative of the Western-Ukrainian Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgender community who said to him: “Many people live in love, but not in law. Promise me that if you become president, you will legalize same-sex relationships, and I promise that all gays and lesbians will vote for you.”

But Yatsenyuk, who leads “Fatherland” in the absence of jailed leader Yulia Tymoshenko, revealed that he rejects gay marriage because his personal beliefs stand in the way of any political position.

“I can tell you about this separately as a Christian and a Greek Catholic,” he said. “I do not support gay marriage.”

His reply has disappointed the LGBT community in Ukraine, which has looked to the Opposition for accommodation on social issues.

Yatsenyuk’s stance will also surprise western European gay rights groups, which had warned gay football fans last year that they could experience hostility while travelling to Poland and Ukraine for the Euro 2012championship. By the end of the tournament there were few reported problems.

Last month Ukraine’s foreign minister Leonid Kozhara announced that Ukraine will introduce a law prohibiting discrimination against gays, which will afford them protection in line with European Union nations.

“The issue of homosexuals is now generating strong controversy in Ukraine, but our government has already prepared a draft law and will soon submit it to the parliament,” he said.

http://lgbtweekly.com/2013/03/20/leading-ukraine-opposi...iage/

author by FFSpublication date Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:01Report this post to the editors

One would have thought you'd be proud of that Felix, what with you being BOTH a National Socialist and a Zio-Nazi

And it's the NAZI jews I have a problem with

author by Tpublication date Thu Mar 13, 2014 19:32Report this post to the editors

At least some people in the belly of the beast are not being fooled by the wall to wall propaganda put out by the Western supporters of the neo Nazis that they supported in the Ukraine.

notaxpayers_dollars_for_neonazis_in_ukraine_whitehouse_protests_mar13_2014.jpg

author by fredpublication date Tue Mar 18, 2014 13:51Report this post to the editors

this article attempts for the most part not to take any sides. (not completely successfully though! )
The author spent time working on a newspaper in russia. Bear in mind he is a yank who was kicked out of Russia though.

Still well worth a read though:

http://pando.com/2014/02/24/everything-you-know-about-u...rong/

author by fredpublication date Tue Mar 18, 2014 21:28Report this post to the editors

Here's a second article from the same site about crimea, also worth reading

http://pando.com/2014/03/17/the-war-nerd-everything-you...g-er/

author by fredpublication date Sun Mar 23, 2014 00:11Report this post to the editors

Thierry Meyssan:

"Can Washington Overthrow Three Governments at the Same Time?"


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38022.htm

author by fredpublication date Sun Mar 23, 2014 00:29Report this post to the editors

The US Neocons’ role in the Kiev coup was clarified by two independent exposures. Wonderful Max Blumenthal and Rania Khalek showed that the anti-Russian campaign of recent months (gay protests, Wahl affair, etc.) was organised by the Zionist Neocon PNAC (now renamed FPI) led by Mr Robert Kagan, husband of Victoria “Fuck EC” Nuland. It seems that the Neocons are hell-bent to undermine Russia by all means, while the Europeans are much more flexible. (True, the US troops are still stationed in Europe, and the old continent is not as free to act as it might like).

The second exposé was an interview with Alexander Yakimenko, the head of Ukrainian Secret Services (SBU) who had escaped to Russia like his president. Yakimenko accused Andriy Parubiy, the present security czar, of making a deal with the Americans. On American instructions, he delivered weapons and brought snipers who killed some 70 persons within few hours. They killed the riot police and the protesters as well.

The US Neocon-led conspiracy in Kiev was aimed against the European attempt to reach a compromise with President Yanukovych, said the SBU chief. They almost agreed on all points, but Ms Nuland wanted to derail the agreement, and so she did – with the help of a few snipers.

These snipers were used again in Crimea: a sniper shot and killed a Ukrainian soldier. When the Crimean self-defence forces began their pursuit, the sniper shot at them, killed one and wounded one. It is the same pattern: snipers are used to provoke response and hopefully to jump-start a shootout.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38023.htm

author by Tpublication date Mon Mar 24, 2014 23:36Report this post to the editors

There has been another leaked call. This time it was between Nestor Shufrych, former deputy secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine and the ex PM of Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko also a small time oligarch of just a few hundred millions which she stole while in power and in control of gas in Ukraine and was later jailed but freed just before the US sponsored neo Nazi coup in Kiev at the end of Feb.

In the call where they are talking about the recent vote by a huge majority of Crimeans to rejoin Russia, Tymoshenko was enraged by the result, said:

“This is really beyond all boundaries. It’s about time we grab our guns and kill go kill those damn Russians together with their leader,”

She went on to declare if she was in charge “there would be no f***ing way that they would get Crimea then.”

The other person on the call, Shufrych made the obvious point that Ukraine “didn’t have any force potential” to keep Crimea.

But Tymoshenko retorted she would have found "a way to kill those a*****es.”

“I hope I will be able to get all my connections involved. And I will use all of my means to make the entire world raise up, so that there wouldn’t be even a scorched field left in Russia,"

stock picture of Tymoshenko in happier days. She looks so angelic!
stock picture of Tymoshenko in happier days. She looks so angelic!

author by fredpublication date Tue Mar 25, 2014 00:12Report this post to the editors

It's much worse than that. Further on she says that 8 million russians should be killed with nuclear weapons

Unbelievable!

And bear in mind that there are a whole bunch of nuclear reactors operational in Ukraine so fissile material is easily accessible there for government actors. One minister has publicly claimed they could have a nuclear weapons program up and running within 6 months. They could easily have plenty of material for "dirty bombs" long before that.

Western media outlets are busy spinning and playing down these completely outrageous russophobic racist and genocidal statements. Imagine the global outrage if this same statement was made by an Iranian minister for instance?

Here's the leaked call:

Caption: leaked call courtesy of RT


author by Crazy Catpublication date Sun Mar 30, 2014 13:29Report this post to the editors

Informative as always, Pepe Escobar and his Roving eye in the Asia Times:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-02-270314....html

author by Tpublication date Tue Apr 15, 2014 00:56Report this post to the editors

The coup leaders in Kiev have been threatening a military crackdown on the peaceful protests in the Eastern Ukraine cities that are protesting against the illegal coup and want to hold a referendum on their status.

Up to now the coup puppet leaders have been uncertain what do do having not got clear instructions from their controllers in Washington. However the White House spokesman Jay Carney confirmed over the last day that the CIA director John Brennan had visited Kiev over the weekend. Reports suggest that he has given the all clear for a violent crackdown and the deposed (and corrupt) president Viktor Yanukovich has accused Brennan of this.

Now that the US has taken over much of Ukraine through it's proxies -aka the neo-Nazi coup leaders, they do not intend to give it up and it would look like that they are prepared to trigger a civil war in the East of the country rather than allow a democratic solution. The goal will be to draw Russia into this and grind them down. In the meantime, Western banks and the IMF will effectively loot Ukraine and grab all the key assets at rock bottom prices once the IMF instructs Ukraine to float its currency which it will fail to do and will result in a massive devaluation thereby making state assets which are planned to be privatised, very cheap for the Western financial predatory institutes and banks.

In the meantime Yanukovich has said on Russia TV on Sunday:

... that Brennan had “sanctioned the use of weapons and provoked bloodshed."

“The US bears its share of responsibility for starting a civil war in Ukraine, not only through diplomatic influence, but its security forces, which do not only meddle, but issue orders,”


And to cap it off, acting President Aleksandr Turchinov has announced that “an anti-terrorist operation” will be carried out against armed protesters, who have occupied government buildings in the Russian-speaking east of the country. Gunfire has already started.

author by Realistpublication date Thu Apr 17, 2014 18:32Report this post to the editors

Vladimir Putin admits on Russian State TV that Russian Special Forces were deployed in Crimea, this despite previous statements to the contrary.

author by fredpublication date Thu Apr 17, 2014 23:54Report this post to the editors

Of course! Putin admitted russian forces were indeed present on the naval base in crimea,
as per their paid agreement with Ukraine

author by Crazy Catpublication date Fri Apr 18, 2014 17:50Report this post to the editors

Here's a text from Norman Spinrad:

http://normanspinradatlarge.blogspot.fr/2014/04/ive-nev....html

author by Realistpublication date Mon Apr 21, 2014 08:16Report this post to the editors

It was quite clear what Putin meant in his live interview the other day.

The uniformed and armed troops cordoning off Ukrakian Military Posts were all wearing standard issue uniforms and carrying standard issue Russian weapons every single one of them. The token "separatist" line of people in a hodge podge of uniforms priced this even further.The convoys of Olve Drab Military vehicles also showed up Putins denial of the presence of Russian troops outside their barracks.

Contrast events in Crimea with those around Donestk where the "seperatists" are wearing a mush mash of clothing and carrying all sorts of weapons and their vehicles are civilian.

author by fredpublication date Mon Apr 21, 2014 22:34Report this post to the editors

Lots of things to wonder about in the fog, lies, deception, blatant mistruths, blatant hypocrisies and omissions in modern geopolitics. Here's a few that spring to mind:

I wonder were they US troops in Iraq?
I wonder were they US troops in Afghanistan?
I wonder was that 5 billion of US money used to destabilise Ukraine?
I wonder were they right sector fascists beating the sh1t out of police in Maidan backed by "fuck the EU" Nuland and US money?
I wonder was that the head of the CIA visiting Kiev?
I wonder was that a turkish false flag operation in Syria mentioned in that phone call.
I wonder was that 24,000 bombing operations in Libya that was actually just supposed to be just a "no fly zone"
I wonder who created "Al Qaeda" in Afghanistan
I wonder who backs the Al Qaeda Jihadists in Syria?
I wonder how many dead today as a result of Iraq / Syria meddling?
I wonder who has bases in 300+ other peoples countries?
I wonder which country opposed the so called "no fly zone" in Libya, invasion of Syria, Invasion of Iraq, (Russia!)
I wonder who controls the lies and omissions regarding US foreign policy in the new york times, washington post and is responsible for 24/7 lies and propaganda on multiple key news channels in the west?
I wonder who is waging a war on truth and whistleblowers like bradley manning / Assange etc?
I wonder who is surveilling every single computer on the planet, hacking into everyone's computers and accounts on high profile servers and storing up everybody's private emails and other communications in data warehouses?

I wonder which country is the real threat to democracy and people's safety and security and the stability of their countries in the modern world?

Guess what.....It isn't Russia!!

So guess where useful idiots like yourself can stick your US sponsored internet propaganda about Ukraine.

If it had been Russia that had pumped 5 billion into destabilising Mexico and the head of the Russian secret service had been flying in to discuss tactics with mexican anti US rebels there then we'd have WWIII in the morning.

Aren't we lucky very lucky that Russia is a somewhat rational country and Russia doesn't do that kind of shit? And when the loonies running foreign policy in the US DO do that kind of shit, that Russia does not behave like the crazies in the US likely would.

Some food for thought:
the dollar is completely fucked, Russia / China threatening to deal outside petrodollar
A failed state on its border and lost gas sales will weaken Russia

US wants revenge over the diplomatic embarrassment in Syria and continual resistance to aggressive US foreign policy in north africa and the middle east and support for Iran / Syria by Russia

NATO needs an enemy to justify it's continued outdated existence and to boost military spending,

people are starting to see through the whole farcical "war on terrorism" line so it's time to resurrect the old cold war enemy,

US has lots of shale gas and may want to sell some of it's shale gas to EU down the line
US has nothing to lose if EU gets high gas prices on top of a recession
fracking is meeting resistance in Europe. Gas shortages would lubricate the process.
EU has it's own neoliberal agenda which would be helped by having a scary cold war enemy

author by KMpublication date Mon Apr 21, 2014 23:31Report this post to the editors

An important move by President Putin to recognise the wrongs done to the Tatars.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a decree officially rehabilitating the Crimean Tatars and other ethnic minorities on the peninsula, who were deported en masse in 1944 by Joseph Stalin for alleged collaboration with Nazi invaders.

“We must make sure that as part of Crimea’s integration into Russia, Crimean Tatars are rehabilitated and their historic rights restored,” the Russian leader said during an official meeting in Moscow.

Tatars in Crimean number about 250 thousand – one eighth of the peninsula’s population. Since gradually returning to the peninsula following their banishment, many have been locked in land disputes, and have struggled with a lack of political representation.

“The same decree outlines the socio-economic development of several territories that have been neglected, and where there has not only been no social progress, but the situation has actually deteriorated,” said Putin.

When he first mooted the rehabilitation decree last month, Putin also proposed that Tatar becomes the third official language in the autonomy, alongside Russian and Ukrainian.

Related Link: http://rt.com/news/crimea-tatars-rehabilitation-putin-856/
author by Realistpublication date Tue Apr 22, 2014 14:21Report this post to the editors

Fred,

The US in Afghanistan - 1980's it was Russia

Chechnya

South Ossetia

Supplying weapons to Syria.

Russia is blaming the Ukrainian Government for actions of Armed groups, yet Armed Russian seperatists are taking over Police Stations and Government offices.

Putin is attempting to rebuild an empire.

The Crimean people has the right to decide where they want to belong to and thus could have been done properly to prevent all this crap, but Putin is most certainly playing to his populace and trying to distract from deeper issues in Russia.

As for this

"So guess where useful idiots like yourself can stick your US sponsored internet propaganda about Ukraine."

Consider this, many of the links posted in this discussion (and elsewhere within this site) are most obviously "pro-Russian" and therefore by your reckoning "internet propaganda" which you most obviously subscribe to, so perhaps before you revert to your normal recourse of attempting to denigrate the intelligence and ability of others to perceive things, you should look in the mirror.

If Russia (USSR) what's should a utopia one would wonder why so many countries wanted or indeed want to distance themselves from it.

author by fredpublication date Tue Apr 22, 2014 16:21Report this post to the editors

Can I ask..did you actually even bother to read the article and links before turning on the state dept propaganda spigot?

A few things:

(0) The russians went in to Afghanistan on request to give support to a left wing government. The russians spent a lot of money there and built far more schools and infrastructure in Afghanistan than the US ever did. Meanwhile the CIA were busy funding and training Al Qaeda. It was the CIA that lured the russians into Afghanistan to try to deliberately mire them there. They openly admitted as much. They openly said they wanted Afghanistan to be the russian Vietnam.
(1) The USSR you are referring to no longer exists. Stalin is dead. The cold war ended a long time ago. NATO, a thinly veiled vehicle of US foreign policy, is still here looking for funding and a reason to stay around.
(2) the only imperialist power in all this is the US (and their lapdogs in the EU). Russia has behaved defensively and proportionately to a deliberate provocation.
(3) Sakaasvilli that nutjob in South Ossetia was encouraged to provoke Russia and they responded to that provocation.
(4) Chechyna is full of jihadists who hate Russia. They see it as godless. These are the kind of people that attack a school full of defenceless children.
(5) The majority in Crimea (96.5%!!) voted in a free election to join Russia. That's democracy. Something the US would know little about judging by their behaviour recently in Ukraine, Syria, Libya and indeed in their own elections, and penchant for the kind of blanket surveillance programs that the old Stasi could only dream of.
(6) Weapons were supplied to the Soverign state of Syria by Russia. This is in accordance with international law. Providing funding to rerrorists and jihadist head hackers, as the US have done is, however not.
(7)Countries go along with US nonsense because they are spineless corrupt and servile, or just plain afraid of the consequences if they do otherwise. No doubt they have seen what happens to those who oppose the US and it's foreign policy and it's not pretty.

Parroting US propaganda is considered "the truth" by most of the MSM these days. I'm glad this site is not willing to go along with the media circle jerk and is showing the alternative Russian perspective on events too.
A perspective that you could easily find out for yourself after 5 minutes of googling if you were actually genuinely interested in doing so.

So please don't give me any more of your US propaganda guff. I've heard it all before and it's tiresome. Go find yourself another site where people are more gullible. The way your sort like them.

You are clearly not open to actual discussion. Only attacking and demonising Russia on behalf of the US and further propagating lies and distortions of current and past events to serve imperialist goals. I will not provide a vehicle for that by engaging further with you here. Go tell it to fox news.

And perhaps you should consider calling yourself "surrealist" rather than "realist" because that would be far more descriptive of the kind of daft hypocritical and brazen US state department press release nonsense you expect people to swallow in the face of the actual facts.

author by Fredpublication date Thu Apr 24, 2014 08:13Report this post to the editors

Fred,

A couple of points,

You said,

"(0) The russians went in to Afghanistan on request to give support to a left wing government. The russians spent a lot of money there and built far more schools and infrastructure in Afghanistan than the US ever did. Meanwhile the CIA were busy funding and training Al Qaeda."

And in the very next line you say,

"It was the CIA that lured the russians into Afghanistan to try to deliberately mire them there. They openly admitted as much. They openly said they wanted Afghanistan to be the russian Vietnam."

So balance that invited but lured ?

The comments "we were invited in" and "
(4) Chechyna is full of jihadists who hate Russia. They see it as godless. These are the kind of people that attack a school full of defenceless children." All sound very familiar don't they, it's as if they have bee used before.
And this

"So please don't give me any more of your US propaganda guff. I've heard it all before and it's tiresome. Go find yourself another site where people are more gullible. The way your sort like them.

You are clearly not open to actual discussion. Only attacking and demonising Russia on behalf of the US and further propagating lies and distortions of current and past events to serve imperialist goals. I will not provide a vehicle for that by engaging further with you here. Go tell it to fox news."

As all my previous comments show I am open to discussion.
The main content on this site is quite obviously anti everyone (American, EU, Israeli etc) but most certaînly very pro Russian and therefore your comments above could be returned to represent your own stance.

To be honest I have no issues with the Crimean people voting for federation/rejoining Russia, it's their right, it could have been handled better, but then than doesn't suit Putin really or indeed his policies.

By the way I an in all thus playing the ball not the player, you are the one (check your posts) who trying to play the player with personalised terms such as "idiot" and other comments.

author by fredpublication date Thu Apr 24, 2014 23:23Report this post to the editors

Ok I'll bite....

Regarding the invited / lured apparent contradiction, the Russians were asked into Afghanistan by the Amin government. The US knew there was a religious faultline they could exploit and so they set a nasty trap for the Russians to mire them in Afghanistan by undermining the left leaning government using religious extremist mujahadeen fighters which led to the request for assistance by the Amin government. The US admitted all this was policy. The mujahadeen later became known as "Al Qaeda". (See "rambo III" for details ;-)

Heres a link, the first one I came across, definitely not very pro russian which gives the basic gist:
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/russia_invasion_af...n.htm

Lured and invited are not contradictory in this instance. They (the Russians) were clearly lured into a US trap. The US/CIA supported and assisted mujahadeen religious extremist fighters to undermine the left wing government of Afghanistan ultimately leading to a request for assistance (invitation)

I am open to discussion but not the usual anti russian racist US state dept guff. I'm quite tired of it as it seems to blanket every internet forum and TV channel and much of it is just such barefaced lies and omissions it has become farcical.

Ok at least you accept the crimean result. The election was quite clearly fair and reflected the wishes of the vast majority of the people there (80% turnout, 96% in favour, figures most western democracies can only dream of.). Which is much more than one can say about the illegal coup by a small number of violent right sector thugs in Kiev.

Amongst other atrocities, these thugs have recently beaten up 2 electoral candidates pretty badly. Physical violent Intimidation of opposing electoral candidates is really quite a stark contrast to the peaceful democratic referendum that took place in Crimea.

regarding this site. You say it is anti everyone. I completely disagree. Quite the opposite in fact. It clearly supports the ordinary people in all of these countries by highlighting the hypocrisy of their corrupt governments and their neoliberal elitist and imperialist policies.

And for your information, The US, Israel, EU elites certainly don't constitute "everyone", merely a very small minority with a lot of power and money backing them.

Personally I have nothing against ordinary Europeans or Americans or the Jewish people nor does this site as far as I can see. Just the morally bankrupt cynical policies of their corrupt governments. The ordinary American / European / Jewish citizens are victims of the neoliberal policies of their governments too.

These governments are quite happy to pay billions to destabilise a country like Ukraine (or indeed Syria) which is not even an EU member whilst ignoring the plight of people in Spain, Greece and ordinary US citizens, merely to further a dubious racist / cold war geopolitical agenda to undermine Russia. And in the long run this will likely do immeasurable harm to the ordinary people of Ukraine (and Syria) through austerity measures and conflict. But then ordinary people's welfare is clearly not very high on their priority list is it?

Regarding the phrase "useful idiots", it's a well known phrase to describe people who are fooled into parrotting propaganda. It's merely descriptive. I'm sure when not acting as a conduit for russophobic state department press releases you have good qualities and are not an actual idiot. Lots of otherwise smart people are regularly taken in by the bath of US propaganda we are all immersed in every day. However when presented with facts that contradict the immersive US propaganda narrative such people usually reassess their version of reality if they are honest. Those who continue to push the propaganda line in the face of clear evidence to the contrary are suspect in my view.

I don't think Russia is a perfect country by any means and it has quite a few issues as does any country. But it has been on the right side on many issues including Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria. We need a counterbalance to drunken US imperialism as it is quite clearly out of control, both domestically and in it's foreign policy. Putin is the only leader smart enough rational enough and strong enough to take on that role. That is why I support Russia on the world stage currently. It is a valid viewpoint I think.

author by fredpublication date Fri Apr 25, 2014 03:06Report this post to the editors

And it ain't just me that thinks the US government is full of shit regarding
what it says and does in Ukraine, and is a great danger to humanity:

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/04/24/pers-a24.html

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