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category international | crime and justice | opinion/analysis author Tuesday November 12, 2013 02:07author by Anti racism and anti animal cruelty Report this post to the editors

I am involved with a number of groups that focus on opposing animal cruelty and from time to time I receive details of what people involved in controversial practises are getting up to. In particular I receive occasional information concerning what appears on a website called "Greyhound Nuts", a site that deals with aspects of Ireland's greyhound industry but specialises in promoting hare coursing.

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The extract I attach below, however, relates to a more serious issue. On October 22nd, several members of the "Greyhound Nuts" forum posted what can only be described as racist comments, directed at both the Roma and Traveller communities in Ireland. I believe there is no excuse for this appalling form of bullying which amounts. I believe, to incitement to hatred.

The "Greyhound Nuts" site is not accessible to the general public (as you will find if you search for it and try to explore further)...only to people who have registered with it and can show themselves to be keen supporters of the greyhound industry, but it has hundreds of members from all over Ireland. The person who supplied me with this disturbing material managed to register with the site ( a very difficult undertaking) and has given me an exact copy of the page/pages containing the comments.

Below I've pasted all of it as I received it. I personally believe it contravenes the Prohibition Incitement to Hatred Act. The astonishing thing is that Tom Brett, the site's administrator and "moderator", is among those posting the offensive comments.

Here is the page from the “Greyhound Nuts” site with the comments referred to:

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good job there not greyhounds imagine the colours they'd produce if two darkies can produce a blonde pup

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Live across the road from a roma family .
They sent me over 250 cans of beer in the summer
Helped the misses when t >:(he car battery was flat last week
And tonight sent over 3 packs of lamb (half legs)
Wich the dogs will enjoy
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nicer they are the more wary u should be. don't get pally with them filth.

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Live across the road from a roma family .
They sent me over 250 cans of beer in the summer
Helped the misses when t >:(he car battery was flat last week
And tonight sent over 3 packs of lamb (half legs)
Wich the dogs will enjoy
Still would never trust the XXXXs

Where do you think they got the stuff BB
Maybe they are straight but they are few and far between.....

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Live across the road from a roma family .
They sent me over 250 cans of beer in the summer
Helped the misses when t >:(he car battery was flat last week
And tonight sent over 3 packs of lamb (half legs)
Wich the dogs will enjoy
Still would never trust the XXXXs

jases billy thats great do you want to swop houses

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Live across the road from a roma family .
They sent me over 250 cans of beer in the summer
Helped the misses when t >:(he car battery was flat last week
And tonight sent over 3 packs of lamb (half legs)
Wich the dogs will enjoy
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hope they are not on here reading this

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Funny thing is, BB is not the only one to say stuff like that.......they seem to help out neighbours they take a shine to.....they see wealthy people as fair game though.....

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Not looking good for the Gardai on this one....
They might investigate who reported it.....the papers seem to believe the child did belong to the Roma couple....recessive genes and that type of thing...knowing Roma I would not put it past them to orchestrate it........knowing of course that one of them was not a full roma and was capable of having a blond child with blue eyes

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Not looking good for the Gardai on this one....
They might investigate who reported it.....the papers seem to believe the child did belong to the Roma couple....recessive genes and that type of thing...knowing Roma I would not put it past them to orchestrate it........knowing of course that one of them was not a full roma and was capable of having a blond child with blue eyes

rumour is out that pat mustard is the milkman at the roma camp...

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author by Cynicalpublication date Tue Nov 12, 2013 02:15Report this post to the editors

What do you expect from folks who think setting animals on each other for "sport" is okay??

Fran the man, the dogfighting/gangland character from should bea pin-up guy for the hare coursing fraternity!!

Sport for "Greyhound Nuts" followers...
Sport for "Greyhound Nuts" followers...

Coursing fun...
Coursing fun...

Hare coursing...any fairer than dog fighting?
Hare coursing...any fairer than dog fighting?

Do racists enjoy hare coursing?
Do racists enjoy hare coursing?

author by nmnpublication date Tue Nov 12, 2013 15:00Report this post to the editors

the hosting company abuse report desk for Greyhound Nuts website [forums.greyhoundnuts.com/] is:
abuse@digiweb.ieabuse

author by JoeMcpublication date Tue Nov 12, 2013 16:15Report this post to the editors

some more racist comments about the Roma community - this time on an anti-hare-coursing site :

"The Roma are not indigenous to Ireland so what's your point? Millions of people were murdered by the Nazis and millions more by revolutionary socilaists. Are you suggesting that we allow all of their descendants to move to Ireland? Cop on. Every state has regulations governing who is allowed to enter and stay within its borders. These people are here to beg not to work. They can do that at home. "

"On a humanitarian level I do fell sorry for the Roma, especially their children. But ask yourself the question. Who is it that is abusing those children? The Irish state or their parents? If I sat with my children out in the street begging they would be taken from me. The Roma have the same capacities as you and I. They choose to employ them in dysfunctional ways. It is up to them to change, not society in general to accomodate itself to them. ANd the same applies to Irish people in the same situation. "

"were there no other countries between Ireland and Romania where they might have sought refuge/a better life?"

"Ireland has always been a soft touch for people coming here.

They weren't beaten out of the country so I see no rhyme nor reason for the crocodile tears being shed. "

"I am in favour of their deportation if they cannot prove that they are either here for humaniterian reasons, something which myself and others including some Romanians doubt, or that they are keen to work, get a job, contribute to society and pay their way like you and me,. There are many people from Eastern Europe since the opening up of the continent who come here to find a better life, the majority do not camp on the M50, beg etc. but they work beside me and you every day, doing jobs supporting themselves and not reliant on handouts from anywhere or anyone. "
See :
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=83553
to contact the moderators of the anti-coursing site that published the anti- Roma racism : imc-ireland-newswire@lists.indymedia.org

author by Balance requiredpublication date Tue Nov 12, 2013 17:08Report this post to the editors

Big difference between the comments in the Indymedia admittedly heated exchange and the pure unadulterated hatred and overt racism of the "Greyhound Nuts" "commentary"!

author by Joe Mcpublication date Tue Nov 12, 2013 20:40Report this post to the editors

The indymedia quotes were perhaps part of a “heated exchange” , the hare coursers commenting were perhaps meant to be “jokey” . Both were racist .On that point , which is the relevant one to this thread , there is no difference.

author by Anti racismpublication date Tue Nov 12, 2013 22:11Report this post to the editors

There is nothing terribly "jokey" about calling a named minority or ethnic group "filth" and "vermin" to an audience of more than 4,000 people. That is deliberate bullying racist garbage. It has much to do with with "free speech" as shouting "fire" in a cinema when there isn't one. Words can do immense harm. One can have a debate on any subject without resorting to that level of vitriol.

author by humpty dumpty - nonepublication date Wed Nov 13, 2013 05:12Report this post to the editors


I wonder if anti - greyhound supporters have posted the comments .

author by Claritypublication date Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:40Report this post to the editors

It was definitely coursing supporters who posted that stuff. "Greyhound Nuts" is a forum that caters for them. Animal welfare people can't post on the site! And the "moderator" is one of the people posting the vile comments. He's hardly an "anti-greyhound" sports person!

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author by JoeMcpublication date Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:53Report this post to the editors

An anonymous poster calling himself/herself “Anti racism and anti animal cruelty” writes an “Opinion” piece in an apparent attempt to convince indymedia readers that hare coursers are more inclined to be racist than any other section of Irish society .The anonymous poster claims that another anonymous anti-hare courser is purporting to have uncovered a racist network operating at the members-only Greyhound Nuts website. (For some unexplained reason the article is accompanied by a picture of what looks like an old Bedford van with loud hailers on its roof. )The anonymous poster claims to have reproduced on indymedia “an exact copy of .... page/pages containing comments “ , which he “believes “ puts Greyhound Nuts in breach of the Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act.

The anonymous poster should perhaps consult the present Minister for Justice and Social Equality, Mr Alan Shatter , who has for many years been a leading member of the anti-hare coursing community in Ireland . Two days ago - on the same day that the anonymous poster submitted this article - the Irish Independent reported how Shatter had "revealed that the confidential garda report into the seizure of two Roma children from their parents shows they [the gardai} acted in "good faith"" when they seized blonde-haired Roma children from their parents last month.The Minister for Justice was responding to allegations made in a recently published HSE report that blamed the gardai for not consulting properly with social workers in one of the cases.

In defending the gardai action against the Roma family Mr Shatter , who likes to describe himself as a "friend of the gentle Irish hare " , urged people not to "jump to conclusions" about the matter . "There's nothing I have read to indicate that the gardai acted in anything other than good faith in dealing with these issues. But there may be some lessons to be learned," Mr Shatter said. ”http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-who-seized-....html

author by Factspublication date Wed Nov 13, 2013 16:55Report this post to the editors

That's a smoke screen. But no amount of diversionary nonsense can change the fact that the Greyhound Nuts site DID carry those racist comments.

And that the "moderator" of that site not only failed to "moderate"...but actually joined in with zeal. Ask youself: Why hasn't anyone representing GN rushed to deny this??? They've been mentioned in a Dail question tabled by Clare Daly TD...it's on the Dail record for anyone to see.

If I were running a website/forum and I was WRONGLY accused of facilitating such racist commentary I'd be falling over myself setting the record straight.

GN is a vile hate site that shoud be shut down immediately. It gives the greyhound industry a bad name and I suspect even some hardened hare haters in the coursing fraternity are cringing when see what's unravelling here.

The site should be zapped from cyberspace!

author by Fr Jackpublication date Wed Nov 13, 2013 17:23Report this post to the editors

Indymedia carries similar comment on Roma's but people on here feel that is different ?

The only difference is it didn't fit the anti greyhound agenda of opening poster , if greyhoundnuts ( a greyhound site not a hare coursing site I add) is guilty of incitement to hatred I ask what is the difference between comments on there (some which were in obvious jest, albeit in bad taste ) and what was published on here or indeed on Politics.ie and Boards.ie

The title of my reply is true but it probably dosent serve purpose of original poster and hence why they used a 'punchier' line !

author by Fr Jackpublication date Wed Nov 13, 2013 18:19Report this post to the editors

GN a bile hate site are you for real?

Comments of a similar nature appeared on other sites but all you want is GN closed down?

Indymedia reported on here before falsely that GN had been shut down which was a lie but of course never retracted the statement or removed the false post.

are we all gone so politically correct that even if you joke about something you are a racist or a inciter of hatred ?

Clare Daly called the US President a "war criminal" I object as she is inciting hatred against the leader of the US...

As for defending the site raised in the Dail questions I would say there is a lot better things to be asking of Minister of Justice then a question about comments on a greyhound website seen by less then 1500 people but hey it suits Clare's animal rights agenda .

You speak of smoke screen is a Indymedia not a spreader of hatred by allowing comments on Romas on here or indeed David on Politics.ie that the political class are actually members on but yet again anti Roma sentiment over there is not mentioned either.

Stop hiding behind anti greyhound , animal welfare agendas and your campaign might actually gain a modicum of respect. Do you think people will not see through this charade and sensationalizing comments which appear elsewhere but are conveniently ignored .

author by JoeMcpublication date Wed Nov 13, 2013 19:46Report this post to the editors

It's really worse when racism appears on Indymedia , which is supposed to be a site dedicated to opposing racism -one that has a policy of removing racist posts . And yet the site carries anti-Roma racist comments such as the ones I quoted above . Those racist comments are now being justified here with the argument that racist comments as part of a “heated exchange” are somehow less racist than the ones that appeared on the Greyhound Nuts site.

author by Claritypublication date Wed Nov 13, 2013 21:25Report this post to the editors

Massive difference between GN overtly racist attacks on both Rioma and Traveller communities and the posts on the other sites referred to. In the other sites people argued back and forth...there was a semblance of balance...GN had racist comments only. Not one post contradicting the vicious attackson those named ethnic groups.

"Greyhound Nuts" moreover has consistently made false allegations against anyone who opposes animal cruelty in sport. It operates in the gutter at the best of times.

Displaying a bad attitude in on line debating is not we're talking about here...The GN guys are callling named minority groups "filth" and "vermin". Nothing light hearted whatsoever about that. Or "jokey", This stuff on a par with the tactics used in the 1930s to demonise Jewish people and Roma by the National Socialists.

And on GN the "MODERATOR" is part of the problem. With "friends" like GN the Irish greyhound industry needs no enemies or economic challenges at all!

I have a copy of the Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act right in front of me, GN has definitely breached the Act. No question. It must now accept the consequences.

Clare Daly, a true and tireless champion of both hare and greyhound
Clare Daly, a true and tireless champion of both hare and greyhound

author by Justice Must Prevailpublication date Wed Nov 13, 2013 21:34Report this post to the editors

Glad to see awareness groups highlighting Greyhound Nuts racism scandal. I have seen other material from that GN site and it would make your hair stan don end.

http://www.nascireland.org/campaign-for-change/racism/p...rial/

author by Fr Jackpublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 08:14Report this post to the editors

Clarity your response suggests you find comments towards Roma is permissible provided they don't originate on GN and secondly don't contain certain words , as per other poster racism is racism you cannot sanitize the seriousness by the words that are used it is the intended message , he topic on GN had 10 posts and there is moral outrage from the animal welfare people there is whole pages of topics on Politics.ie with language as colorful if not worse then GN but no one is shouting and that is where the hypocrisy of Clare Daly, Maureen OSullivan and Alan Shatter is seen.

Raising this topic in parliamentary questions is a joke and is just another poorly veiled attempt by Anti Greyhound racing people to raise their agenda under guises of 'racism'.

I too have the Incitement of Hatred act at my disposal however I am not a barrister or familiar with state law therefore I would not comment that anyone has broken laws based on reading it , however if the poster of that comment is suggesting that GN is shut down over It then say goodbye to Indymedia, journal.ie , boards.ie, politics.ie and Facebook and Twitter for that reason.

People are as usual over reacting to suit their causes and if they think the Gardai are investigating this you really are living in a dream world.

author by Fr Jackpublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 09:16Report this post to the editors

To the poster Clarity i address this question in relation to previous post

''GN has definitely breached the Act. No question. It must now accept the consequences.''

Is this your opinion or legal opinion?

You should specify and also state if your trained in the legal profession.

author by Claritypublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:54Report this post to the editors

Yep. It's a legal opinion I've received. If you don't agree with it and want a second opinion just nip downtown and call to ANY solicitor...or Garda..and see what he/she has to say. Be sure to show him/her the FULL GN commentary. If someone WANTED to breach the Act they couldn't have done it better!!

The bells are tolling for Greyhound Nuts. I've already seen a comment on another greyhound sports website from a fan who says: "Ah lads, tis a dark day for coursing. How has to come to this? We can't enjoy our fun with the hares without them antis and PC brigade getting unto us. Sure we were only having a laugh at them foreigners."

As the man said, you couldn't make this stuff up!!!

author by JoeMcpublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 13:45Report this post to the editors

We have been presented with no actual evidence to establish that these comments have appeared on the Greyhound Nuts website at all , let alone in the way they have been presented here .Are we supposed to trust the objectivity of anonymous snoops on this matter or the honesty of anonymous posters who obviously hate the greyhound racing community? This could all be one big stitch-up .

Clarity, who believes that the type of "heated exchange" racism expressed here on indymedia isn't such a bad thing, is presumably now going to inform the same police force that took the Roma kids away from their parents that GN has broken the incitement to hatred law . GN must now face the full consequences of the law of the land !  I'm sure that there must be a "true friend of the gentle Irish hare" out there somewhere who also happens to be Ireland's Minister of Justice, and who would be delighted to assist clarify Clarity on finer points of the law .

Sports clubs up and down the country– GAA , soccer, golf , cricket , pigeon fanciers etc have chat facilities on their websites where I daresay members would have expressed similar racist views as the ones expressed on GN last month . Is it any wonder that such rotten comments appeared at the time given the anti-Roma propaganda being churned out by the media after Alan Shatter's lads in blue raided the Roma's homes to take the blonde-haired , blue-eyed children away from their parents? But only GN gets the generalized accusations of running a racist site . Why are people like Clarity trying to discredit the GN site and slur greyhound fans in this racialist sort of a way ?

author by Fr Jackpublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 14:17Report this post to the editors

Clarity,

Your legal opinion is not very accurate im afraid, the current act as written has very little legal definition around the medium of internet , and im sure if you check with Ministers of Justice's office they can confirm there is numerous appeals received on the 'modernisation' of this act to bring it up to modern times. The facebook case of recent years underlines the faults of the current act yet the Minister has not modernized the ACT, maybe the question should be put to the dept why?

As for GN bells tolling im afraid you are being very presumptuous in your analysis there, it is not uncommon for non supporters of greyhound racing to present to the public such grandiose statements however not in anyway connected to the reality of the situation.

This very site contains an article where it says the site was closed down about 14/15 months ago, however even though it was pointed out at the time this was not true it was merely a server error no retraction was taken on the article..so I wouldn't 'jump' to conclusions.

Once again you say GN has broken the act but it seems the contributors or animal rights 'watchers' don't find any comments on Politics or Boards or indeed Indymedias articles offensive? Why is the question no one will answer...and your lack of response on whether the same reporting to Minister or indeed by our eagle eyed TD's to raise the matter will happen shows that this is a merely a smoke screen to attack GN through the guise of racism.

Do anonymous posters who just happen to look into a greyhound site, detect racist comments that results in TD's aligned to animal rights bring up in parliament to the Minister for Justice (a former member of animal rights groups) while at same time the main political chat site carries similar articles on it is not brought up.... there is an awful lot of 'ifs' and random acts occurring there, to the level where any human with a modicum of intelligence will see through for what it is, a veiled attack through the sensational guises of racism.

author by JoeMcpublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 14:18Report this post to the editors

These views are in the comment section to an anti-coursing article in Britain's extreme right-wing Daily Express – a newspaper that supported the nazis before WW2.

“Those sadists are described as part of the "traveller community" well it is the usual then the Police are scared to charge any Gippos! because that is what they are, they do not travel as such they stick their fancy caravans where they want to, and commit loads of crimes in the area. OOPS maybe not PC but it is the TRUTH. Judges must clamp down on all law breakers, Judges should be elected then we will see real sentences for criminal activity. The Tinkers should all go back to Southern Ireland and start bothering the locals there.”

“start kicking the travellers out of the uk ,they think they are beyond the law as they are a minority ,they do not contribute in taxes and bring nothing but misery with them for hard working honest people who have the misfortune to live any where near them .they have been kicked out of ireland because the irish government will not tolerate there behavour.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/381415/Hares-horror-is...-over

author by Realitypublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 19:01Report this post to the editors

Lots of diversionary stuff here. The issue isn't other websites or forums. The Greyhound Nuts site is the one under discussion. A breach of the Act most definitely occurred on GN. Anyone who believes a similar breach occurred elsewhere can report if he/she feels fit. Re the ludicrous allegation that it might NOT have been GN at all.

Really?? The relevant pages were downloaded from that site by a person who is a registered member. Everything checks out and numerous written complaints have been lodged with the Gardai by concerned citizens.

It's not because it's a vile hare coursing site that complaints have been made- that's completely irrelevant- though the past record of the site does reveal a disgusting lack of standards. Many coursing fans are ashamed of what GN has done. But other coursing fans have frequently invented false and sick allegations about people they dislike and post those on GN.

And I mean complete invention presented as fact! GN has no credibility whatsover. It has carried frequent vicious attacks on named animal welfare people. Copies of that material is also available for inspection and may well be sued ins upport of the charges of racism. Tom Brett, incidentally, was the subject of an "imposter warning" on the Greyhound Date site, GN's rival which has never resorted to GN's scurrilous tactics. It's not just animal welfare folks who have a problem with GN. It's minority ethnic groups and even any greyhound owners who happen to incur the wrath of the GN hate site.

Here are some revealing links to issues re T Brett on the widely respected Greyhound Data site (which has no connection with any anti coursing sites or groups or with any animal rights lobbyists)

http://www.greyhound-data.com/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=38...=&x=3

http://www.greyhound-data.com/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=38...=&x=5

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author by Joe Mcpublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 19:12Report this post to the editors

The Indymedia ireland editor Pat Corcoran (IMC Dalek) who has been leading the charge of the anti-hare coursing brigade on this site for many years was convicted on child pornography possession charges today in the High Court.

According to the Irish Independent , members of the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation (NBCI) seized a laptop and computer at Corcoran’s office desk in 2009 and later found 5,951 pornographic images of children between eight and 14 years old during a search of his former North Circular Road home.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/former-civi....html

The greyhound and coursing community may remember that it was Corcoran who issued the string of dirty insult to the hare coursing executive Jerry Desmond on this site within a day of his death two years ago.

author by Fr Jackpublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 19:31Report this post to the editors

Reality I would like to know how you are in possession of information that numerous citizens have written complaints to the Gardai? Are you a member of the force , are you the Minister of Justice?

As I said many posts back the comments made on GN may have been in bad taste but I do not believe they were racial in their presentation , GN maybe the site under the scrutiny of the 'animal rights ' brigade but I say it again by the TD's ignoring other sites of which they frequent it is a mere smokescreen to suit their own agenda.

No Gardai investigation is underway or will be on GN as the Gardai are not the Ministers lackies even if he thinks otherwise and know a red herring when they see one.

If people think that this going somewhere you have been listening too long to the loons in Dáil Éireann.

'Hate site' is an accusation which you may be asked to defend yourself reality, In fact you could be inciting hatred with such a comment! It's a bloody website that greyhound people discuss dogs on ffs get some perspective the ICABS call people involved in coursing 'barbarians' so don't portray the animal rights groups as holier then though... Let him without sin cast the first stone

author by Realitypublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 20:11Report this post to the editors

There is nothing sinister or conspiratorial about being "in possession" of pages from the GN site. Any member of the public who comes across material he/she thinks is racist and in breach of the Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act is entitled to lodge a complaint. That has happened in this instance and the Gardai are obliged to investigate any such complaint. It's the oldest trick in the world for scoundrals who find themselves cornered to shriek: "what about the other fellows who do the same, why not go after them?" It's a stunt to divert attention from their own behaviour.

Comment re Minister Shatter's views on hare coursing are silly and again just diversionary nonsense. The majority of people in Ireland are anti-hare coursing. If the Minister happened to eb pro-coursing he would still have to take this racism scandal very seriously indeed.

Re definition of a "hate" site", any objective fair minded human being would have to agree that GN is such a site.
The demise of GN will be good riddance to a site that most greyhound owners and trainers in Ireland regard with contempt and embarrassment.

author by Justice for Travellerspublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 20:21Report this post to the editors

Hey Jack and JoMc,

This is not about hare coursing. This is about a sick disgusting, unprovoked racist assault on both the Roma AND Traveller communities in Ireland. I am a traveller and proud of it and I was deeply offended by the appalling way that the so-called greyhound nuts website has treated us. Are they in denial now or what? I have actually attended coursing meetings and while I'm not a fan of the sport I've never said anything against it either. I can tell you I wouldn't be seen dead at any coursing meet after this. Where is the disavowal of the greyhound nuts racism by senior figures in the greyhound industry? Where are the condemnations from Bord na Gon of this living nightmare that is the Greyhoudn Nuts website? I say: thank God for good people like Clare Daly and Maureen O' Sullivan who have the courage to stand up to the bullies of this world. That website must face the full rigours of the law. I am disappointed and sickened that they saw fit to denigrate and villify us in that shameful way. And their moderator joined in. That's the part that amazes me. The site should be closed down without delay!

author by Fr Jackpublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 21:39Report this post to the editors

Keep smoking folks GN a hate site I have heard it all now ....of course Indymedia is a liberal truthful place where all factual accounts of living on this island are recanted factually.

And now we have Animal rights concerned about Roma's and Justice for Travellers adding their outrage at GN, (another token fake offering of outrage no doubt)

Report away folks to the Gardai and I'm sure they will take care of all of this for you, however maybe your own PR machine via Indymedia may be coming to an end now with news of the leaders problems reported earlier!

Those servers need money to keep them running you know !!

author by Joe Mcpublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 22:18Report this post to the editors

Of course the reason the report has gone to the gardai (if it has) is because the GN site promotes hare coursing - an activity that Reality considers vile. The whole point to this thread is the vilification of hare coursers , not the defence of the Roma community . That's the reason I referred to comments here that are dressed up as concern for the Roma as “racialist”.

The fact that the Justice Minister defending the racist gardai action is a leading anti-hare coursing activist with extreme right-wing sympathies is entirely relevant to a discussion concerning law and order. The Minister for Justice has overall responsibility for law and order in Ireland.

"Justice for Travellers" claims to be a member of the travelling community who thinks that GN should be shut down by the state . I linked to anti-traveller remarks made on the Daily Express website earlier this evening as well as to anti-Roma racism on this very site , about which Justice for Traveller doesn't seem at all concerned. When I hear the likes of "Justice for Travellers" and “Reality” call for the cops to close down Indymedia Ireland or take out an action against the the law and order loving Daily Express , which is unfortunately circulated in Ireland , I'll take what they have to say about GN more seriously . Until then I will think they are a pair of hypocrites .

author by No Surprisepublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 22:20Report this post to the editors

Should it surprise anyone that that the "Deliverance" types who do THIS (see photo) also happen to be bullies and racists????

protest...
protest...

hares are terrorised in the worst of weather...the worse the condition the more the fans love it
hares are terrorised in the worst of weather...the worse the condition the more the fans love it

author by End Times for decency in industrypublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 22:32Report this post to the editors

Amazing that after all the campaigning against coursing what really threatens coursing in the end is a string of racist attacks on minority ethnic groups in Irish society. I was at a coursing meeting a few days ago and I can tell you all the talk was about the G Nuts fiasco. The site should fold of its own accord IMO. It's dragging down the whole greyhound industry. Coursing club and track racing bigwigs all over Ireland have been up all night discussing this. This is serious stuff. One man told me he can't even look his greyhound straight in the face knowing what T Brett is saying in OUR NAME. Greyhound Nuts needs to be put out of its misery as humanely as possible. Tracks are going to the wall and now this. How can we encourage Roma people and travelers to join coursing clubs if a major greyhound coursing site is attacking them in such a crazy and OTT manner?

author by Joe Mcpublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 23:00Report this post to the editors

Corcoran is still an indymedia ireland editor , or at least he was up until a few weeks ago. I don't know how long other Indymedia editors have known about these allegations, but I doubt if they will care all that much - the state will have known about what Corcoran was up to a long time ago of course.

Corcoran has been writing the most disgusting ,divisive shite on here in support of animal rights for many years .He has been indymedia's main censor since being brought onto the editorial board around the same time as he was arrested on the charges he was convicted on today . I've been trying to get his activities investigated for ages but to no avail.Corcoran is a leading member of the anti-Iranian Hands off the People Iran group , whose leader Yassamine Mather works for BAe the largest arms manuacturer in Europe . For exposing Mather's links to Bae on this site I was accused by Corcoran and his editorial board supporters of being a sexual predator who was "stalking"" Ms Mather . Corcoran is a regular poster of islamophobia on this site .At the same time he has been instrumental in covering up for the Al Qaeda/ Cia agent Mhadi al Harati and his activities in the Irish anti war Movement . He deleted ten times an article i posted detailing al -Harati's activities.

At the time of the release of mink into the Donegal countryside three years ago by people claiming to be animal rights activists , Corcoran must have already been charged with this paedophile crime , but he was taking a tone of high moral outrage in full defence of the provocateurs who released the mink . I wrote to indymedia editors after Corcoran wrote his disgusting comments about Jerry Desmond and got abuse and accused of stirring up trouble by the other editors. I was banned from even contacting the ed board because of my opposition to Corcoran . This is all on record .

author by Back to the issuepublication date Thu Nov 14, 2013 23:21Report this post to the editors

Remarks re this fellow Pat Corcoran (I've never heard of the man) and what other forums publish are totally irrelevant to the issue....which is the Greyhound Nuts site representing Ireland' s greyhound industry and the site's racist attacks on the Roma and Traveler communities. You can waffle and stray and indulge in as much "whataboutery" as you want. GN is staring into the abyss and fully deserves the national shame and disgrace that await it. The links between certain coursing clubs and organized crime in Cork and Limerick will also have to be explored but that's for another day.

author by wageslave - (moderator)publication date Sat Nov 16, 2013 06:07Report this post to the editors

When we became aware of this information, former indymedia moderator Pat Corcoran was immediately asked for his resignation from this collective and he duly resigned from the IMC collective.

For the record, all other moderators on this site were completely unaware of any of these allegations until revealed to us by JoeMc on this site as a result of the coverage in the independent.

This matter, while no doubt troubling for the remaining indymedia volunteers, has absolutely nothing to do with the questionable ethics of greyhound racing, coursing, or it's current proponents and fans, and their apparent penchant for racist comments on their site.

We are each responsible for our own actions and statements. P.C. for his, these coursing supporters for theirs, and myself for mine.

I think trying to muddy and conflate such things together to deflect criticism from one to another is the act of an internet rascal!! ;-)

Lots of anonymous people work on internet sites. No doubt many have skeletons in their closets. The thing to ask is what happens when those skeletons come to light.

When this information about P.C. was presented to us, he was immediately asked to resign and did so.

What have the coursing supporters at this greyhound site done when the blatant racism towards the Roma came to light? Have they asked for the resignation of their moderator?

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