Dublin Alternative G8 Committee Meeting

by G8er - Anarchist Thu Apr 04, 2013 17:13

Dublin Alternative G8 Committee?

I don't think you deserve to call it that. It's nonsense, some of the most ad-hoc, dodgy authoritarian people (on the so-called left) in Dublin, including a fanatical, dangerously unapologetic pro-Gadaffi 'activist', are on this 'committee'. I don't think you realise that most of the radical and active left are falling over themselves to keep away from any association with this group.

If you do a call-out and you realise that no one wants to be near you, then you should step aside and see if something happens (I mean, there are literally handfuls/or dozens of groups/parties/collectives/individuals that are actually worried about getting an invitation). Yeah, but there are one or two people who will refuse to budge. Just getting to call yourself the leader of the group and wear a green-sash is not revolutionary, it's pointless... no, damaging!

I'm embarrassed that these people with wild and mindlessly fluctuating politics are actually calling themselves a committee (although, this never stopped the same people from setting up a "Soviet" in Dublin - http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100367 ) So yes, out of absolute shame for activism in Dublin, I will not be around, I can't be! I'm anti-authoritarian, and will have to spend the next year explaining to international comrades how this situation arouse.

Thank f**k there will actually be good people, doing sober and worthwhile activism. If you are afraid to get involved with these people, don't worry, there is loads of work to do in Mayo (you know, that campaign that many on the left got bored of - since the media publicity disappeared). Get yourself organised for resistance in Mayo, in the name of the struggle that anti-G8 activists once encapsulated - 2013 Gathering: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/...n.jpg

2013 might actually signal the end of the anti-G8 movement. I heard one of the main protagonists had some difficult issues with basic things like participatory democracy and consensus. God I hope no one finds out about this mess outside of Ireland...

by Joe Mc Thu Apr 04, 2013 18:56

This is an ad hoc committee organized by people who want to oppose the G8 visit , not some secretive cabal .Meetings are public . If you want to organize in Mayo or anywhere else against G8 , fair play to you. .
You appear to be someone involved in Shell to Sea who knows his/her way around the indymedia site .I assume that you must know that there have been anonymous people posting here with very similar personalized insults about Shell 2 Sea members to the ones you are directing against the anti-G8 committee.

by fred Thu Apr 04, 2013 21:53

sectarian deliberately divisive post by "anarchist" (I too suspect a troll)

You don't have to agree with all the views of the individual people involved in a protest to join them in solidarity on a common issue. You just have to have a little common ground. i.e. The belief that the G8 are elitist scum imposing an agenda of deliberately engineered austerity followed by theft of assets and privatisation on the poor while facilitating the rich to profit and socialising their losses.

Well that, and you need to be able to compromise and agree on practical and optimally effective group tactics.

"anarchist" sounds more worried about his own personal image than getting the job done. An anarchist worried about not looking PC???. Sounds suspect!!.

The fact is many of these same G8 nations were deeply involved in destroying Libya's infrastructure and stealing their oil. Now it's spread to Mali, Niger and CAR, areas chock full of natural resources, so this person you speak of has a point. Whether you're "anti authoritarian" or not!

Do you prefer your African countries with destroyed infrastructure run by fascist religious groups bristling with western weapons and working hand in hand with the French and the US? Or run by somebody like Gadaffi who was working towards a gold dinar standard for Africa, their own banking system, built the "great river", played hardball with the western powers, and who allowed a significant amount of oil revenue back to his people, etc.?

I guess you're all for the repeat debacle happening in Syria too. If so then you are a geopolitical chump. Syria's infrastructure will be destroyed, just like Libya's.

So much for your fake arab spring. You've been had in Egypt (Witness the IMF loan with conditions including a new property tax). You've also been had in Tunisia, had in Libya, and now you are being had in Syria. Plus ca change.

Just stop being a Prima Donna "how do I look" sectarian PC activist, wake up and smell the geopolitical coffee, and roll up your sleeves and help fight the common enemy at the G8.
You might even learn something about geopolitics!

That is assuming you're as young / naive as you seem and are not just posting to deliberately try to trigger sectarian disputes and exploit faultlines and differences in the group who are trying to organise against the G8. If so you will fail because people involved know better than to fall into such traps these days.

And there's no reason you can't support the campaign against the G8 and also continue to support the anti shell effort in Mayo. They are not mutually exclusive. In fact, it's all pretty much part of the same corporate kleptocratic agenda.

by Bobby Fri Apr 05, 2013 13:47

''I guess you're all for the repeat debacle happening in Syria too''

I stopped reading after this nonsense. What are you talking about.

by Bobby Fri Apr 05, 2013 13:55

I never accused you(s) of being a secretive cabal, I said some of the people there have political ideas that directly oppose my ideas of freedom and autonomy. I don't organise with right-wing authoritarians, or left-wing authoritarians. Is it sectarian? Maybe. But I'm not organising with an apologist for Stalin and a lunatic pro-Gaddaffi person.

It's going to be the most confused anti G8 protest ever and I'm ashamed to be around for it. I'm just as guilty as everyone else for letting this type of dodgy people take the leading role in 'organising' against the G8.

by G8er2 Fri Apr 05, 2013 14:18

G8er \ Bobby nobody is stopping you doing something now. Better late than never. The more opposition to the G8 the merrier. No use sitting on your throne giving commands about who is allowed to organize and what they are allowed to think - and then congratulating yourself for being an anti-authoritarian.

by JoeMc Fri Apr 05, 2013 14:27 joemcivor at gmail dot com

The Dublin Alternative G8 committee isn't run by any one person ,Bobby .
Let me assure you that I suffer from embarrassment as much as anybody else , but that isn't going to stop me from protesting the presence of this bunch of scum in Ireland. Wherever you are , whoever you are , "do your own thing man" , as we used to say years ago . But please do something .

by Meza Fri Apr 05, 2013 14:30

Surely the main consideration for a so-called "anarchist" would be the organisational structure of a G8 Committee, its anti-hierachal anti-authoritarian and democratic structures.

There are 'authoritarians' in most left wing organisations - eirigi, CPI, SWP, SP, WP and so forth. But that is not necessarilly to say that the organisations themselves are authoritarian. Indeed this anti-G8 committee is certainly not authoritarian.

In essence, and following from your position, you rule out "anarchists" working with the overwhelming majority of left wing organisations on the basis that they contain individuals who may have authoritarian political views. Indeed the WSM have already worked with a number of groups, and while you dont speak for them, or perhaps are not even a member, to adopt your stance would be the height of hypocrisy.

What a ludicrous position to take. A self destructive and ultra sectarian position. Like a child throwing his rattler out of the pram.

This commitee, from what I understand, contains people from a diverse range of left wing positions. Including anarchists.

Frankly, im delighted you have nothing to do with the committee. You are clearly a dangerous left sectarian who would attempt subvert and destroy any collective attempt to organise anything worthwhile.

Enjoy London.

by Joe Mc Fri Apr 05, 2013 14:36

One thing you can do to help , Bobby . At the moment I'm trying to compile a brief "scumbag's who's who" entry to accompany the pics of the G8 members that have posted to another thread . Something like fifty to a hundred words per scumbag . What do you think ?

by AntiG8er Fri Apr 05, 2013 14:47

Ignore him, a fool if not a provocateur. Meanwhikle the opposition is making preparations:

Prison cells readied ahead of G8 summit in Co Fermanagh this summer

The Lough Erne resort in Co Fermanagh will play host to the G8 summit in June
05 APRIL 2013

The police and prison services in Northern Ireland have begun arranging for hundreds of extra holding cells in anticipation of protests at this summer's G8 summit turning ugly.

The contingency measures are being put in place as the security operation ahead of June's meeting of the world's most powerful political leaders in Co Fermanagh starts to ramp up.

The PSNI is expanding custody provision at a number of stations across the region.

It is understood commanders are also assessing the potential of using other sites to detain unruly demonstrators, among them the former Lisanelly British Army base in Omagh.

Aware that numerous arrests may well result in many charged suspects coming before the courts, the Northern Ireland Prison Service (NIPS) has taken complementary steps to increase its capacity to hold remand prisoners.

Work is under way to make available extra cell capacity inside Maghaberry high security prison in Co Antrim, as well as at Magilligan prison in Co Londonderry and Hydebank Wood young offenders' centre and women's prison in Belfast. ...
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/g8-summit/prison....html

by serf Fri Apr 05, 2013 22:38

"bobby" regularly trolls on this site. just ignore him.

by Joe Mc Thu Apr 11, 2013 09:31

The Fermanagh Herald reports that the G8 summit has inspired an Eniskillen based band, Occams’ Blade, to write a new song called: “Gone are the days”, which is available on facebook. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Occams-Blade/519559481418668

“Michael Byrne, the band’s keyboard player commented: “The song reflects peoples concerns about the economic situation today and politicians priorities when dealing with them.”
He added: “We also feel that the G8 instead of serving the people has become an instrument for large corporations, and decisions about fuel poverty and the environment tend to favour profit and not the people. The song also mentions how isolated we feel from the political process and hint at the marshall law that may descend on Fermanagh.””
http://fermanaghherald.com/2013/04/local-band-pen-anti-...song/

Anti -G8 activists will be leafleting Saturday's National Protest against the Property Tax in Dublin.
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/103508

Draw tickets are now available for the ballad session fund-raiser at The Sunset House on May Day , price 2 euros.Clann na Ri is booked to play starting at 4pm.

by Joe Mc Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:24

PSNI Chief Superintendent Pauline Shields has been appointed “Silver Commander” for overseeing security for the G8 Summit . She describes the preparations being put in place as bigger than those for the 2011 Royal visit . The Silver Commander told the Fermanagh Herald recently that work had already begun last November for the summit, and that the overall ‘scale’ of the event was the challenge. “It will be quite different to any of the events that were policed before ,” she said .

by JoeMc Thu Apr 11, 2013 13:00

The Police Service of Northern Ireland is warning of "huge" disruption in and around Belfast International Airport where many of the world leaders will fly into for the Summit .

The PSNI say that there would be "a large security presence on all routes around the airport." and has already sent out letters to people living near the airport warning them about the huge security operation that will be in place by June .

by JoeMc Thu Apr 11, 2013 19:55

The cross-party Northern Ireland Policing Board today approved the use of aerial drones for the massive G8 security operation . PSNI Assistant Chief Constable Alistair Finlay told the board that the G-8 was the biggest high-security event ever mounted in Northern Ireland.and that 4,500 officers PSNI officers would be deployed against potential troublemakers with 3,500 extra officers drafted over from Britain.

The British police volunteers will be taught how to deal effectively with the thousands of protesters expected to make their way to the vicinity of the luxury Lough Erne hotel in June . In "refresher training courses" already being offered , UK police officers who may not be up to speed on the latest boot and baton tactics will be given training by experienced officers from the PSNI .

by Joe Mc Fri Apr 12, 2013 14:37

As if to prove that they more than just just "boots and batons", the PSNI in Co.Fermanagh have been organizing security consultations with local businesses . Ahead of the G8 Summit , hoteliers in the county have been taking part in a PSNI organized exercise aimed at “exploring ways to aid hoteliers handle emergency incidents”.The PSNI say that the purpose of their exercise is to enable local businesses prepare and respond to emergencies that could occur in the run-up to and during the G8 Summit.

PSNI F division Superintendent Simon Walls told the Fermanagh Herald , “This is an initiative for creating preparedness in businesses, it is an essential learning tool for planning and preparation..”

Sharing his concern for the local economy in the event of possible “interruptions” during G8, Supt. Walls told the Fermanagh Herald :

"By advancing resilience, businesses are better placed to recover more quickly. The ability to demonstrate that an organisation can continue to meet its contractual obligations despite interruptions is vital to the local economy.”

by Terrorist Fri Apr 12, 2013 23:52

just setting up their information network to try to forge channels for locals to rat out any activity of interest

by dubaltg8 Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:07

Just a reminder that the Dublin Alternative G8 Committee meets every Tuesday evening at the Pearse Center, Pearse Street at 8pm. The 17th of June is getting very close and there is still a huge amount of work to do. The harvest is plentiful but the labourers are few. We would ask readers of Indymedia to try to come to the meetings or to contact the committee by e-mail at dublinalternativeg8@gmail.com As Bobby Sands said, everyone has their part to play.