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category dublin | miscellaneous | other press author Friday November 09, 2012 11:13author by JoeMc Report this post to the editors

Dublin City Coroner returns "death by misadventure" verdict

Luke McGuire (26), had been following a vegan diet developed by US alternative medicine advocate Robert Young and was taking salt supplements -- labelled 'Young Phorever pHour Salts' and 'Young Phorever PuripHy' . He died after suffering a sudden collapse in Ranelagh, Dublin, on June 2, 2011.

Dublin City coroner , Dr Brian Farrell , returned a verdict of “death by misadventure” on Mr McGuire .Sadly, Dr Farrell didn’t take the opportunity to issue any sort of statement about the dangers of buying these so-called supplements over the internet .

“Mum tells how son on diet collapsed and died after drinking too much water”

author by Joe Mcpublication date Fri Nov 09, 2012 15:28Report this post to the editors

Stephen Barrett M.D from Quackwatch takes a Critical Look at "Dr." Robert Young's
Theories and Credentials here:


Quackwatch describes itself as an international network of people who are concerned about health-related frauds, myths, fads, fallacies, and misconduct. Its primary focus is on quackery-related information that is difficult or impossible to get elsewhere.

author by veganpublication date Fri Nov 09, 2012 22:31Report this post to the editors

There's nothing particularly wrong with a proper healthy vegan diet.

The problem was clearly overconsumption of water due to thirst from taking too much of those stupid quack salts. Carnivores can just as easily die from drinking too much water too. Remember all the kids taking e that suffered a similar fate. Statistically most were likely carnivores.

Plenty of very healthy vegans walking around. They are the thin ones with good complexions.

Not to be confused with the obese ones with clogged arteries (both serious health risks) with poor complexions stuffing their faces with poor quality factory farmed burger meat stuffed full of low level antibiotics.

Please don't conflate these two topics causing people to draw the wrong conclusions Joe.

This guy drank too much water because of quack salt overconsumption.

author by Damien M - PharmaWatchpublication date Sat Nov 10, 2012 00:04Report this post to the editors

The chap died of hyponatraemia, a disruption of the body's electrolyte balance due to drinking too much water.

"Quackwatch describes itself as an international network of people who are concerned about health-related frauds, myths, fads, fallacies, and misconduct. Its primary focus is on quackery-related information that is difficult or impossible to get elsewhere."

In reality Quackwatch is run by a deluded ex-psychiatrist who advocates amalgam (mercury) fillings, the widespread fluorodation of water supplies and the rest.
A page on his website, 'Dr. John Yiamouyiannis, Fluoridation Opponent, Dead at 58', aside from the title being grossly crude, sums up his attitude towards health crusaders.

Why Fluoridation Is Important - Quackwatch. Fluoridation: Don't Let the Poisonmongers Scare You

A further biopsy of the great man, and his noble crusade can be found here.

author by JoeMcpublication date Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:34Report this post to the editors

“There's nothing particularly wrong with a proper healthy vegan diet.”………… Vegan

To extend vegan’s tautology, I’d say that there would be absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever with a healthy vegan diet . I was pointing to the dangers of the vegan diet sold over the internet by Robert Young .

I don’t know enough about fluoridation to give Quackwatch a pass on that issue , but the sort of “cures” advocated in Pharmawatch’s “further biopsy” link should be warned about as well , in my opinion.
You don’t live on Achill Island by any chance , do you Pharmawatch? (only joking , lol , etc)

author by Damien M - PharmaWatchpublication date Sun Nov 11, 2012 15:23Report this post to the editors

Not sure of the Achill Island jibe, or the elevance of it?

If you're not clued up on the dangers of water fluoridation, then I don't think you're in much position to be critically lambasting or even lauding any area of health.
The jury is back in, fluoride lowers IQ, damages the brain and causes a whole host of other maladies. I'd install an undersink filter if I was you. ASAP.

(For the record, vegan diets are quite unhealthy).
Youl only have to look at the poor craturs to see how malnourished they are.

author by JoeMcpublication date Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:34Report this post to the editors

Damien thinks that people not “clued-up” on the dangers of fluoride should keep quiet about other health related issues. That would of course mean silence from the vast majority of doctors , dentists and health workers in Ireland on all health related matters.

Who is going to do the cluing-up , Damien? Those without expertise in a particular field often find it hard to find unbiased sources on which to base their judgments on controversial subjects . Should people trust the science of an anti-fluoride site whose editor writes stuff like this on a health related issue ?

“Listen up, Christians. I hate to break this news to ya, but eating chemically-laced fast food is a VIOLATION of GOD's will The Bible teaches that your body is your temple. If you poison your body with chemicals, you act in violation of God's will and the teachings of the Bible. Yeah, it's true”

Or :
'Proof of Heaven' documents existence of afterlife, multiverse, intelligent life beyond Earth, multidimensional realities”

The anti-fluoridation side might say that I have a low IQ on account of drinking too much tap water over the years ,or else that I'm a shill for the poisoners , but I'm not a proponent of water fluoridation as such .It's just that , from what I’ve read on the net from the antis , I would say that they must have a pretty weak case because of the way that they resort to conspiracy theory ,exaggeration , hysteria and deception to get their case across .
I did check last night on some of the anti sites . The ones that don’t go on about royal lizards are invariably trying to selI people things like the Young Phorever pHour Salts' and 'Young Phorever PuripHy' that Luke McGuire was taking before he died . Or else, like the most recent Global Research article on fluoride , they link you to such weird salt-selling sites as Natural News - from which I took the above quote about “the proof of heaven” .

I find a disturbing anti-science side to the fluoride bashers - rattling on about the "art" or the “gift” of "healing" to perfectly healthy people in order to sell them expensive "supplements".

The most sane sounding of the anti articlest I found was Prof James F. Tracy’s one at Global Research . But that June article is in my opinion very badly researched and referenced - if it isn't consciously dissembling the fruits of genuine scientific research . Tracy links to this naturopathic publication called “Natural News” to back up his claim that ….“ recent studies indicate that fluoride’s role in preventing cavities through ingestion [4] or even topically [5] is close to non-existent.”

The Natural News article cited tells us:

”Ironically, no legitimate study has ever found that fluoridated water actually contributes to overall improved dental health. The idea is nothing more than a modern medical myth backed by pseudoscience.”

To back the claim that fluoridated water doesn’t contribute to overall improved dental health, Natural News quotes Frank Muller, PhD, and his colleagues from Saarland University in Germany who “discovered that the fluorapatite layer formed by fluoride on teeth is only six nanometers thick”.

The antis use this discovery by Frank Muller to rubbish the long-held view that ,whatever the health risks that may or may not be associated with fluoride, it does actually fight tooth decay .

Natural News doesn’t link to the original source for their article, perhaps because it is on the American Chemical Society’s (ACS ) website . The ACS article doesn’t at all question fluoride’s efficacy in fighting tooth decay . On the contrary ,the report concerns research into why fluoride is “one of the most effective ways to prevent decay” despite Dr Müller discovery that it forms a film only six namometers thick on the teeth. A quote from the article:

“Müller and colleagues point out that tooth decay is a major public health problem worldwide. In the United States alone, consumers spend more than $50 billion each year on the treatment of cavities. The fluoride in some toothpaste, mouthwash and municipal drinking water is one of the most effective ways to prevent decay. Scientists long have known that fluoride makes enamel — the hard white substance covering the surface of teeth — more resistant to decay. Some thought that fluoride simply changed the main mineral in enamel, hydroxyapatite, into a more-decay resistant material called fluorapatite.”

People can read the ACS article on which Prof Lacy and Natural News base their assertions about the “myth”of fluoride fighting tooth decay here :

Prof Tracy's Global Research article http://www.globalresearch.ca/poison-is-treatment-the-ca...31568

“Does Topical Fluoride Really Protect Tooth Enamel? Study Suggests NO,” NaturalNews.com, March 6, 2011, http://www.naturalnews.com/031602_fluoride_tooth_enamel....html

author by Damien M - PharmaWatchpublication date Tue Nov 13, 2012 18:16Report this post to the editors

...out the discerning voices.

"Damien thinks that people not “clued-up” on the dangers of fluoride should keep quiet about other health related issues. That would of course mean silence from the vast majority of doctors , dentists and health workers in Ireland on all health related matters."

Most doctors know little or nothing about health, except to scribble a prescription and tell the patient to "come back and see me in 6 weeks". This does not treat the root-cause of any problem, be it mental, emotional or physical. Dentists advocate fluoridation and amalgam fillings, which have been shown to leach mercury into the brain-you'd want to be as Mad As A Hatter to take their advice. Follow the advice of these conventional doctors and dentists if you please, but be aware that they have an agenda, along with the 'health workers'-their funding will quickly dry up if they start speaking out against mercury fillings, fluoridation and the disease-model of testing, diagnosing and prescribing.

The anti-fluoridators, have some crazy ass theories about reptiles and heaven, therefore what they say about fluoride is false. I can't remember the Latin term for that.

So Natural News sell, or link to selling salts? What's wrong here, last I checked it was Himalayan sea salt, which is a whole food.

“Listen up, Christians. I hate to break this news to ya, but eating chemically-laced fast food is a VIOLATION of GOD's will The Bible teaches that your body is your temple. If you poison your body with chemicals, you act in violation of God's will and the teachings of the Bible. Yeah, it's true”

Well, if you believe, and accept the teachings of The Bible, and accept that God is sovereign, then to abuse your body with 'chemically-laced fast food' would of course be a violation of God's will. So of course this statement is true. You would be going against the teachings of a God whose teachings you should follow. So, what's your point here? Furthermore, from an atheistic and/or evolutionary perspective if you eat chemically-laced foods of any kinds, you are abusing your body, by not giving it the nourishment it needs via the foods it has consumed for the previous million years.

I advocate a paleolithic style diet btw.

author by serfpublication date Wed Nov 14, 2012 07:17Report this post to the editors

A bit of common sense about the whole Fluoride thing ...

That said, I think if we are going to mass medicate the population through the water supply without their express consent, we would be better to spend the money on aspirin than fluoride.

Also, from a purely civil liberty POV, we are all free to apply targetted fluoride (or not) to our teeth through regular use of toothpaste if we so desire, as opposed to having to pour it wastefully into our stomachs through the medium of our water supply or through salt additives without our consent. If it's really so great for our teeth then we should do it the optional more democratic way. Most countries now do.

However Fluoride is really the least of our worries.... as the video highlights!

Caption: Embedded video Youtube Video

author by JoeMcpublication date Wed Nov 14, 2012 14:19Report this post to the editors

What sort of “disease-model” does Damien have in mind ? I suppose he mainly relies on divination , necromancy and the like ,but even if a wizard or naturapth wants to find out what the root cause of a patient’s illness is , wouldn’t he or she do at least a bit of "testing, diagnosing and prescribing" of ointments , colloidal silver etc ? You wouldn’t want to go mixing an Aquarian up with a Taurian as you cast your spell over his bunions ,surely ? You’d have to find out whether your patient was born under a water sign or an earth sign before you begun any course of colon irrigation treatment ,I would have thought . If Venus had been ascending at the time of the patient’s birth it could throw a lot of the astrological calculations out .You can never be too sure.

Seriously though , there are a lot of people out there who say that fluoridation is a deliberate plot by a conspiracy of reptiles aimed at lowering the IQ of all non-reptile humanoids so that the lizards can perpetuate their rule over mankind . Many anti-fluoridators firmly believe this rubbish and maintain that the British queen is one of the leading lizards in the conspiracy. Damien to his credit does say that people who think along these lines are “crazy assed” but he also thinks that it would be wrong logically to say that such a crazy-assed person’s views about other health matters are necessarily “false”.

The fact that the alternative dentist also believes in an alien lizard invasion of Planet Earth doesn’t necessarily invalidate the incantation he makes to the tooth fairy when he spreads his healing balm over your aching tooth.

That is logically consistent ,and something we can at least agree on , Damien .

author by Damien M - PharmaWatchpublication date Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:35Report this post to the editors

Why you start waffling on about necromancy, divination and the like 'mystifies' me.
I am a strength and conditioning coach with expertise in the field of human health.
You shouldn't throw strawman arguments at me. Again you keep telling me that those who oppose water fluoridation also believe in reptilians therefore the whole argument is unfounded. Although I'd rather try water divination than water fluoridation. And yeah, the royal family certainly acxt like lizards.

Conspiracies theories aside, putting poison into the water supply is fraught with danger.

Going back to Serf's comment earlier. (Apt avatar by the way).

"That said, I think if we are going to mass medicate the population through the water supply without their express consent, we would be better to spend the money on aspirin than fluoride."

I don't think the idea was to medicate the people 'in a good way', even though most modern medicine does far from that but that's a different story. Aspirin meanwhile, is not all it's cracked up to be.

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